19-11-2011, 08:32 PM
This is from an old thread I made on Rich's Forum, i came across, i thought it appropriate for perhaps newbies, and a possible reread for oldies...at this date...ta b.
The original route, which was to take the motorcade straight down Main Street, was printed on the front page of the November 22, 1963 early edition of the Dallas Morning News...
Later a large plain, grey square appeared in a later edition, in the exact same place where the original route was printed in the early edition?......
It has been said that the change was made so that the motorcade could get onto the Stemmons Freeway. .that there was a curb, a divider....that the motorcade would have had to have driven over....now keep in mind, I guess, that apparently Dignitaries do not like bumps...now this was......Not a high divider by any means...and a car could have driven over it.....I have read...but one, none the less....
But also there was a dreaded " No Turn Sign" and we cannot have such allowances made for, the President of the U.S nor the V.P let alone the Governor nor the rest of the dignitaries, breaking the law now, could we..?..sheesh...
See the enormous mountain of a bump..... and the dreaded dangerous no turn sign in photo below.....![[Image: cool.gif]](https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/Motorcade%20Parade%20Route%20and%20Car%20Sequence_files/cool.gif)
BUT........The motorcade could also have just as easily gone straight down the Main Street, to the Trade Mart by way of Industrial Blvd. ..ta da......![[Image: shocked.gif]](https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/Motorcade%20Parade%20Route%20and%20Car%20Sequence_files/shocked.gif)
The change was against the SS standards in creating such a slow down as to present access to the President with all of the dangerous aspects that went along with such...see Plamara's Link ....that Walt has posted for us....thanks..
There is also within the W/C Hearings & Exhibits the DMN map taken from that paper, showing the blank space....though I do not have the link right now....a search would turn it up...
There are the map diagrams also from the DMN of Nov.22.63 in Fetzer's, as well as Garrison & Walt Brown's books...also information in Livingstone's..
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TESTIMONY OF WINSTON G. LAWSON, ACCOMPANIED BY FRED B. SMITH, DEPUTY GENERAL COUNSEL, TREASURY DEPARTMENT
Mr. LAWSON. I imagine it was a little faster at this time,
sir, because the downtown section where it was quite heavily populated
with people watching the motorcade, we had been out of that for a while before we got to the Houston Street turn. So we were probably
back up to perhaps 12 or 15 miles an hour by then.
Mr. McCLOY. But you would have had to slow up a bit coming
around the curve.
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. Mr. Lawson, can you tell us why you didn't plan the
motorcade so that it went straight down Main Street to turn right on
to the entrance to the freeway instead of taking this dogleg on
Houston and Elm?
Mr. DULLES. Jerry, will you take over.
Page 333
Representative FORD. Will you proceed please, Mr. Stern?
Mr. STERN. Yes.
Mr. LAWSON. You mean why we didn't come straight down Main
Street to the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. STERN. Right.
Mr. LAWSON. Because it is my understanding there isn't any
entrance to the freeway on Main Street...
Mr. STERN. But you don't yourself recall now or do you?
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, I was told that there wasn't any entrance
that way, and I myself once when I went to the Trade Mart, not knowing
that there was any entrance to it, went down Main Street, You must
enter the freeway going in the direction that We wanted to go from the
Elm Street extension.
Mr. STERN. When you went down Main Street you found that you could not get on to the entrance to the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. LAWSON. Going the direction on the freeway towards the
Trade Mart, that is correct.
Mr. STERN. Which is the direction the motorcade was to go?
Mr. LAWSON. Was to go; yes, sir.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lawson.htm
*******************************
From Vince Palamara.....
THE SPECIAL AGENT OF THE WHITE HOUSE DETAIL, GERALD A. BEHN, TOLD ME ON 9/27/92
THAT THE ROUTE WAS CHANGED IN DALLAS---
THE HSCA EVEN ASKED HIM WHY (NOT IF) THE
ROUTE WAS INDEED CHANGED IN *EXECUTIVE SESSION* (THESE RECORDS ARE STILL NOT
RELEASED)!
BEHN, TO ME ON 9/27/92, RE: THE HSCA: "ISN'T THAT THE ONE THAT STOKES
WAS ON?
WELL, THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHY THE ROUTE WAS CHANGED---I KNOW IT WAS
CHANGED, BUT WHY---I'VE FORGOTTEN COMPLETELY; I DON'T KNOW"
**********************
See Fact #6:
In a related matter.....
http://web.archive.org/web/2001021006233...t_vmp.html
***************************************
Advance man Marty Underwood ,worked on the planning of JFK's Texas tour
- specifically, his proposed stops at Houston and Austin....
In an exclusive interview conducted on 10/9/92, the author obtained the following new information [similar in content to what Underwood told "Evening Magazine" on 11/22/88, his only TV appearance]:
- Underwood became "an honorary Secret Service agent" and served under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. While with LBJ, he became the "aide in charge of the Secret Service." The advance man confirmed to this author that JFK did not restrict agents from riding on the Presidential limousine. Underwood told Harrison Livingstone: "There were so many things that fell through in Dallas. Any advance man who had any sense at all would never have taken him down that route." When Livingstone commented that the route was changed, Underwood added: "Yeah, I know. You don't take a guy down a route like that."("High Treason 2", by Harry Livingstone, page 442)
DNC advance man Underwood and uniformed agent Norris were two men who strongly criticized the route in interviews.....
(http://web.archive.org/web/2001042505560...nials.html
If interested Link to the HSCA Appendix to Hearings ...Volume X1
on the motorcade route...
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/h..._0257a.htm
*************************
"" Furthermore, the #1 agent in the president's detail Jerry Behn, told me ( Vince Palamara) that the Dallas route was changed from some other (unknown) choice, as the House Select Committee on Assassinations asked him in Executive Session in still unpublished testimony in the late 1970s.
Furthermore, agents Kinney and Winston G. Lawson confirmed for this author that there were indeed alternate routes (two, according to Kinney), and the author discovered much confusion in the newspapers and perhaps unwitting obfuscation in the strangely conflicting accounts of the route Kennedy was to take in Dallas.""
*********************
This below, I found within an e-mail...and seems to be a couple of years old, I believe it to be from Vince Palamara.if not ??
Most of this analysis of the motorcade route is taken from WC and/or HSCA testimony.
WHD Jerry Behn revealed some details that the route had been changed for Dallas (as the HSCA had inquired of him in Executive Session)-Behn should know: besides being the SAIC, Win Lawson told the HSCA that the selection of the motorcade route involved Behn (HSCA11516).
Both Sam Kinney and Winston Lawson had mentioned ALTERNATE routes, including Main to Industrial (also:4H326).
Advance man Jack Puterbaugh had also told the HSCA investigators about driving over alternate routes with Sorrels, as a new document dated 4/14/78 reveals.
I strongly believe that the route was changed after advance agent David Grant's arrival on 11/18/63 from the Florida trip, where he worked with Boring on the planning of this trip before doing the same in
Texas (18H789;17H601).
Lawson told the WC that the route could be changed on 11/19/63 if need be (4H341).
Although Chief Rowley knew releasing motorcade routes to the press was against Secret Service rules, he stated that this breach of regulations in Dallas was not done by the Secret Service; even Lawson had told the WC that he didn't know who had announced the route in the papers (4H340).
However, Bill Moyers, who, along with his assistant, Betty Harris, was working with the Secret Service, told the HSCA that the authority to print the motorcade route in Dallas was done with the cooperation of an unnamed agent he characterized as "in charge of the Dallas trip"-if true, this was Floyd Boring.
Houston and Austin advance man Marty Underwood and Uniformed Officer John Norris both harshly criticized the choice of route to me, as this was a route which violated Secret Service regulations by involving a 120 degree turn in a warehouse district (the TSBD), which would slow the limousine to a dangerous speed.
Evidently, some real subterfuge was involved in the release of the actual route to be used on 11/22/63, for not only did many newspapers contradict each other with the details of the exact outline of the route, but, as revealed in a WC Document (Griffin to Rankin re: Dallas Police) recently found amongst some HSCA files, it was written that "from an administrative standpoint, (DPD's Charles) Batchelor believed that the failure of the Secret Service to inform the police adequately in advance of the exact route to organizing their men and taking the necessary security precautions".
In addition, Governor Connolly stated that he also was never informed about the exact route to be taken on 11/22/63 (New York Herald Tribune, 11/29/63)!
If both Greer and Kellerman can be believed when they told the WC that they had no knowledge of the route either (2H111,121), it appears then that the lead car they were following-containing Chief Curry, Sheriff Decker, and, most importantly, Forrest Sorrels and Winston Lawson-dictated the actual route to be used on 11/22/63.
Incredibly, even the route was blamed on JFK- it was supposedly "entirely appropriate in view of the known desires of the President" (WR)!;
In addition, although the WC claimed that the route was "selected by Agent Lawson" (WR195(Assoc. Press)),
the HSCA learned from Lawson that he could NOT identify the person who selected the hazardous, 120-degree Elm Street turn (HSCA11522).
Incredibly, the WC had taken testimony from Agent Sorrels who claimed that HE was the actual person who selected the dog-leg turn!
I believe the HSCA was correct when they stated that Lawson "did not have control over the final determination of the route" (HSCA11521)-
The arrival of advance agent David Grant from the Florida trip was a profound influence at work here;
Even though the use of 18 motorcycles for JFK's motorcade in Dallas had been approved on 11/20/63, there were no Secret Service agents present at this security meeting.
At the 11/21/63 meeting, 3 agents were in attendance, including agent David Grant, who made the claim that JFK did not "desire" that many motorcycles, or even ANY motorcycles on each side of him, but only to the rear (HSCA11527,529).
Strangely, the original plan was used in all of the prior Texas stops-San Antonio, Houston, and even Fort Worth on the very morning of 11/22/63 (NBC video)!
According to some in the DPD, they had received this "change of plans" at Love Field (HSCA11528).
The HSCA appropriately termed this appalling situation "uniquely insecure";
David Grant also cancelled the DPD squad car over the protests of Chief Curry (HSCA11529-530);
Not only were the Secret Service responsible for the motorcade's vehicle order, the placement of several vehicles-including the Presidential limousine- were changed from their original order (25H786; 17H618; 4H322;
"Murder From Within", pp.37-39);
Although the Secret Service was responsible for the overpasses being totally free of any spectators, this was not adhered to in Dealey Plaza (4H351);
The media, White House Photographer Cecil Stoughton, Pres. aide Godfrey McHugh, and Dr. Burkley were placed further back in the motorcade from where they normally were positioned: near the front, near JFK (CFTR radio 1976; Manchester, p.169; Bishop, pp. 109-110, 133-134).
McHugh said that this was "unusual"; even Greer admitted that many times an aide rode in the front seat of the limo with the driver and the supervisor (2H129).
Press photographer Tom Dillard told C-SPAN on 11/22/93 that the press photographers' flatbed truck that traditionally rode in front of the Presidential limousine was "cancelled at the last minute", adding that "we were put in Chevrolet convertibles six cars back" that "put us totally out of the picture".
Even the press bus, which usually followed the Secret Service follow-up car, was placed further back in the motorcade.
Stoughton rode in the follow-up car taking pictures 11/18-11/21/63 but was "replaced" by Dave Powers for the Dallas trip. Stoughton admitted to me that many times he rode here AND on the rear of the limo taking film. In fact, on page 160 of his book, he stated that Jackie Kennedy wanted him to ride in the follow-up car from July 1963 onward!;
The ambulance that would have been on standby in case of injury to JFK was gone from the scene a few minutes before the shooting, carrying an alleged Dealey Plaza "seizure victim" (WFAA TV, interview with Aubrey Rike and Dennis McGuire, 11/22/63; Curry, pp. 27-28);
JFK/LBJ: same city, same motorcade, in slow-moving open vehicles in close proximity to each other-this was unique (interview with Bolden, 9/16/93; 4H336).
This is the exact reason why the president and the VP to this day fly on different planes-you are never to have them travel so close together in such a compromising position!;
Lawson told both the WC and the HSCA that he could not recall giving instructions to watch building windows, "although it was his usual practice to do so". DPD Captain Perdue Lawrence confirmed that NO instructions were given (WR197(Assoc. Press version); HSCA11526).
Although Treasury Secretary C. Douglas Dillon tried to claim after-the-fact that it was "not the practice of the Secret Service to make surveys or checks of buildings along the route of a Presidential motorcade" (CD3),
Chief Inspector Michael W. Torina told author William Manchester in 1961 that wherever a Presidential motorcade must slow down for a turn, the entire intersection must be checked in advance (Manchester, p.32).
*****************************
Winston Lawson ALSO testifieD to the Warren Commission that he had been an agent in the Army CounterIntelligence Corps. (Military Intelligence):.link above....
Mr. STERN: Briefly, what was your employment experience from 1949 to 1959.
Mr. LAWSON: From the time of my graduation after a couple of months working for a firm that my father worked for, I became a wholesale carpet salesman until December 1951, and then I joined the Carnation Co., manufacturers of milk products nationally, and was a representative in various capacities for them in New York State. In 1953, March, I went in the Army and I had been a reservist and was called up as a CIC agent. I had 16 weeks of basic infantry, basic training, went to the CIC Counterintelligence School in Holabird, Md.--Fort Holabird, Md.--outside of Baltimore, and then was assigned eventually to the Lexington field office where I did general counterintelligence work for the Army, background investigations, and some interviews of the prisoners, POW's from the Korean war.
Mr. McCLOY: When you say CIC agent you mean----
Mr. LAWSON: Counterintelligence agent; yes, sir, in the Army. 4 H 318
Next, Lawson tells the Commission that when the President's limo slows down enough, the agents run alongside the car.
Mr. McCLOY: It was part of your routine duties when you were going through a street in any city, to look at the windows as well as the crowds?
Mr. LAWSON: Yes, sir; and if the President's car slowed to such a point or the crowd ever pressed in to such a point that people are getting too close to the President, the agents always get out and go along the car. 4 H 327
*****************************
From : Evelyn Lincoln's book,"" Kennedy & Johnson ""(1968).
She states that JFK was very reluctant to go on the trip to Texas;
"Advance reports from our own staff and from many other people gave us cause to worry about the tense climate in Texas...and most especially, in Dallas.
Dallas was removed and then put back on the planned itinerary several times. Our own advance man urged that the motorcade not take the route through the underpass and past the Book Depository, but he was overruled."..
Humbug.....
B...
The original route, which was to take the motorcade straight down Main Street, was printed on the front page of the November 22, 1963 early edition of the Dallas Morning News...
Later a large plain, grey square appeared in a later edition, in the exact same place where the original route was printed in the early edition?......
It has been said that the change was made so that the motorcade could get onto the Stemmons Freeway. .that there was a curb, a divider....that the motorcade would have had to have driven over....now keep in mind, I guess, that apparently Dignitaries do not like bumps...now this was......Not a high divider by any means...and a car could have driven over it.....I have read...but one, none the less....
But also there was a dreaded " No Turn Sign" and we cannot have such allowances made for, the President of the U.S nor the V.P let alone the Governor nor the rest of the dignitaries, breaking the law now, could we..?..sheesh...
See the enormous mountain of a bump..... and the dreaded dangerous no turn sign in photo below.....
BUT........The motorcade could also have just as easily gone straight down the Main Street, to the Trade Mart by way of Industrial Blvd. ..ta da......
The change was against the SS standards in creating such a slow down as to present access to the President with all of the dangerous aspects that went along with such...see Plamara's Link ....that Walt has posted for us....thanks..
There is also within the W/C Hearings & Exhibits the DMN map taken from that paper, showing the blank space....though I do not have the link right now....a search would turn it up...
There are the map diagrams also from the DMN of Nov.22.63 in Fetzer's, as well as Garrison & Walt Brown's books...also information in Livingstone's..
*****************************
TESTIMONY OF WINSTON G. LAWSON, ACCOMPANIED BY FRED B. SMITH, DEPUTY GENERAL COUNSEL, TREASURY DEPARTMENT
Mr. LAWSON. I imagine it was a little faster at this time,
sir, because the downtown section where it was quite heavily populated
with people watching the motorcade, we had been out of that for a while before we got to the Houston Street turn. So we were probably
back up to perhaps 12 or 15 miles an hour by then.
Mr. McCLOY. But you would have had to slow up a bit coming
around the curve.
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. Mr. Lawson, can you tell us why you didn't plan the
motorcade so that it went straight down Main Street to turn right on
to the entrance to the freeway instead of taking this dogleg on
Houston and Elm?
Mr. DULLES. Jerry, will you take over.
Page 333
Representative FORD. Will you proceed please, Mr. Stern?
Mr. STERN. Yes.
Mr. LAWSON. You mean why we didn't come straight down Main
Street to the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. STERN. Right.
Mr. LAWSON. Because it is my understanding there isn't any
entrance to the freeway on Main Street...
Mr. STERN. But you don't yourself recall now or do you?
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, I was told that there wasn't any entrance
that way, and I myself once when I went to the Trade Mart, not knowing
that there was any entrance to it, went down Main Street, You must
enter the freeway going in the direction that We wanted to go from the
Elm Street extension.
Mr. STERN. When you went down Main Street you found that you could not get on to the entrance to the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. LAWSON. Going the direction on the freeway towards the
Trade Mart, that is correct.
Mr. STERN. Which is the direction the motorcade was to go?
Mr. LAWSON. Was to go; yes, sir.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/lawson.htm
*******************************
From Vince Palamara.....
THE SPECIAL AGENT OF THE WHITE HOUSE DETAIL, GERALD A. BEHN, TOLD ME ON 9/27/92
THAT THE ROUTE WAS CHANGED IN DALLAS---
THE HSCA EVEN ASKED HIM WHY (NOT IF) THE
ROUTE WAS INDEED CHANGED IN *EXECUTIVE SESSION* (THESE RECORDS ARE STILL NOT
RELEASED)!
BEHN, TO ME ON 9/27/92, RE: THE HSCA: "ISN'T THAT THE ONE THAT STOKES
WAS ON?
WELL, THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHY THE ROUTE WAS CHANGED---I KNOW IT WAS
CHANGED, BUT WHY---I'VE FORGOTTEN COMPLETELY; I DON'T KNOW"
**********************
See Fact #6:
In a related matter.....
http://web.archive.org/web/2001021006233...t_vmp.html
***************************************
Advance man Marty Underwood ,worked on the planning of JFK's Texas tour
- specifically, his proposed stops at Houston and Austin....
In an exclusive interview conducted on 10/9/92, the author obtained the following new information [similar in content to what Underwood told "Evening Magazine" on 11/22/88, his only TV appearance]:
- Underwood became "an honorary Secret Service agent" and served under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. While with LBJ, he became the "aide in charge of the Secret Service." The advance man confirmed to this author that JFK did not restrict agents from riding on the Presidential limousine. Underwood told Harrison Livingstone: "There were so many things that fell through in Dallas. Any advance man who had any sense at all would never have taken him down that route." When Livingstone commented that the route was changed, Underwood added: "Yeah, I know. You don't take a guy down a route like that."("High Treason 2", by Harry Livingstone, page 442)
DNC advance man Underwood and uniformed agent Norris were two men who strongly criticized the route in interviews.....
(http://web.archive.org/web/2001042505560...nials.html
If interested Link to the HSCA Appendix to Hearings ...Volume X1
on the motorcade route...
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/h..._0257a.htm
*************************
"" Furthermore, the #1 agent in the president's detail Jerry Behn, told me ( Vince Palamara) that the Dallas route was changed from some other (unknown) choice, as the House Select Committee on Assassinations asked him in Executive Session in still unpublished testimony in the late 1970s.
Furthermore, agents Kinney and Winston G. Lawson confirmed for this author that there were indeed alternate routes (two, according to Kinney), and the author discovered much confusion in the newspapers and perhaps unwitting obfuscation in the strangely conflicting accounts of the route Kennedy was to take in Dallas.""
*********************
This below, I found within an e-mail...and seems to be a couple of years old, I believe it to be from Vince Palamara.if not ??
Most of this analysis of the motorcade route is taken from WC and/or HSCA testimony.
WHD Jerry Behn revealed some details that the route had been changed for Dallas (as the HSCA had inquired of him in Executive Session)-Behn should know: besides being the SAIC, Win Lawson told the HSCA that the selection of the motorcade route involved Behn (HSCA11516).
Both Sam Kinney and Winston Lawson had mentioned ALTERNATE routes, including Main to Industrial (also:4H326).
Advance man Jack Puterbaugh had also told the HSCA investigators about driving over alternate routes with Sorrels, as a new document dated 4/14/78 reveals.
I strongly believe that the route was changed after advance agent David Grant's arrival on 11/18/63 from the Florida trip, where he worked with Boring on the planning of this trip before doing the same in
Texas (18H789;17H601).
Lawson told the WC that the route could be changed on 11/19/63 if need be (4H341).
Although Chief Rowley knew releasing motorcade routes to the press was against Secret Service rules, he stated that this breach of regulations in Dallas was not done by the Secret Service; even Lawson had told the WC that he didn't know who had announced the route in the papers (4H340).
However, Bill Moyers, who, along with his assistant, Betty Harris, was working with the Secret Service, told the HSCA that the authority to print the motorcade route in Dallas was done with the cooperation of an unnamed agent he characterized as "in charge of the Dallas trip"-if true, this was Floyd Boring.
Houston and Austin advance man Marty Underwood and Uniformed Officer John Norris both harshly criticized the choice of route to me, as this was a route which violated Secret Service regulations by involving a 120 degree turn in a warehouse district (the TSBD), which would slow the limousine to a dangerous speed.
Evidently, some real subterfuge was involved in the release of the actual route to be used on 11/22/63, for not only did many newspapers contradict each other with the details of the exact outline of the route, but, as revealed in a WC Document (Griffin to Rankin re: Dallas Police) recently found amongst some HSCA files, it was written that "from an administrative standpoint, (DPD's Charles) Batchelor believed that the failure of the Secret Service to inform the police adequately in advance of the exact route to organizing their men and taking the necessary security precautions".
In addition, Governor Connolly stated that he also was never informed about the exact route to be taken on 11/22/63 (New York Herald Tribune, 11/29/63)!
If both Greer and Kellerman can be believed when they told the WC that they had no knowledge of the route either (2H111,121), it appears then that the lead car they were following-containing Chief Curry, Sheriff Decker, and, most importantly, Forrest Sorrels and Winston Lawson-dictated the actual route to be used on 11/22/63.
Incredibly, even the route was blamed on JFK- it was supposedly "entirely appropriate in view of the known desires of the President" (WR)!;
In addition, although the WC claimed that the route was "selected by Agent Lawson" (WR195(Assoc. Press)),
the HSCA learned from Lawson that he could NOT identify the person who selected the hazardous, 120-degree Elm Street turn (HSCA11522).
Incredibly, the WC had taken testimony from Agent Sorrels who claimed that HE was the actual person who selected the dog-leg turn!
I believe the HSCA was correct when they stated that Lawson "did not have control over the final determination of the route" (HSCA11521)-
The arrival of advance agent David Grant from the Florida trip was a profound influence at work here;
Even though the use of 18 motorcycles for JFK's motorcade in Dallas had been approved on 11/20/63, there were no Secret Service agents present at this security meeting.
At the 11/21/63 meeting, 3 agents were in attendance, including agent David Grant, who made the claim that JFK did not "desire" that many motorcycles, or even ANY motorcycles on each side of him, but only to the rear (HSCA11527,529).
Strangely, the original plan was used in all of the prior Texas stops-San Antonio, Houston, and even Fort Worth on the very morning of 11/22/63 (NBC video)!
According to some in the DPD, they had received this "change of plans" at Love Field (HSCA11528).
The HSCA appropriately termed this appalling situation "uniquely insecure";
David Grant also cancelled the DPD squad car over the protests of Chief Curry (HSCA11529-530);
Not only were the Secret Service responsible for the motorcade's vehicle order, the placement of several vehicles-including the Presidential limousine- were changed from their original order (25H786; 17H618; 4H322;
"Murder From Within", pp.37-39);
Although the Secret Service was responsible for the overpasses being totally free of any spectators, this was not adhered to in Dealey Plaza (4H351);
The media, White House Photographer Cecil Stoughton, Pres. aide Godfrey McHugh, and Dr. Burkley were placed further back in the motorcade from where they normally were positioned: near the front, near JFK (CFTR radio 1976; Manchester, p.169; Bishop, pp. 109-110, 133-134).
McHugh said that this was "unusual"; even Greer admitted that many times an aide rode in the front seat of the limo with the driver and the supervisor (2H129).
Press photographer Tom Dillard told C-SPAN on 11/22/93 that the press photographers' flatbed truck that traditionally rode in front of the Presidential limousine was "cancelled at the last minute", adding that "we were put in Chevrolet convertibles six cars back" that "put us totally out of the picture".
Even the press bus, which usually followed the Secret Service follow-up car, was placed further back in the motorcade.
Stoughton rode in the follow-up car taking pictures 11/18-11/21/63 but was "replaced" by Dave Powers for the Dallas trip. Stoughton admitted to me that many times he rode here AND on the rear of the limo taking film. In fact, on page 160 of his book, he stated that Jackie Kennedy wanted him to ride in the follow-up car from July 1963 onward!;
The ambulance that would have been on standby in case of injury to JFK was gone from the scene a few minutes before the shooting, carrying an alleged Dealey Plaza "seizure victim" (WFAA TV, interview with Aubrey Rike and Dennis McGuire, 11/22/63; Curry, pp. 27-28);
JFK/LBJ: same city, same motorcade, in slow-moving open vehicles in close proximity to each other-this was unique (interview with Bolden, 9/16/93; 4H336).
This is the exact reason why the president and the VP to this day fly on different planes-you are never to have them travel so close together in such a compromising position!;
Lawson told both the WC and the HSCA that he could not recall giving instructions to watch building windows, "although it was his usual practice to do so". DPD Captain Perdue Lawrence confirmed that NO instructions were given (WR197(Assoc. Press version); HSCA11526).
Although Treasury Secretary C. Douglas Dillon tried to claim after-the-fact that it was "not the practice of the Secret Service to make surveys or checks of buildings along the route of a Presidential motorcade" (CD3),
Chief Inspector Michael W. Torina told author William Manchester in 1961 that wherever a Presidential motorcade must slow down for a turn, the entire intersection must be checked in advance (Manchester, p.32).
*****************************
Winston Lawson ALSO testifieD to the Warren Commission that he had been an agent in the Army CounterIntelligence Corps. (Military Intelligence):.link above....
Mr. STERN: Briefly, what was your employment experience from 1949 to 1959.
Mr. LAWSON: From the time of my graduation after a couple of months working for a firm that my father worked for, I became a wholesale carpet salesman until December 1951, and then I joined the Carnation Co., manufacturers of milk products nationally, and was a representative in various capacities for them in New York State. In 1953, March, I went in the Army and I had been a reservist and was called up as a CIC agent. I had 16 weeks of basic infantry, basic training, went to the CIC Counterintelligence School in Holabird, Md.--Fort Holabird, Md.--outside of Baltimore, and then was assigned eventually to the Lexington field office where I did general counterintelligence work for the Army, background investigations, and some interviews of the prisoners, POW's from the Korean war.
Mr. McCLOY: When you say CIC agent you mean----
Mr. LAWSON: Counterintelligence agent; yes, sir, in the Army. 4 H 318
Next, Lawson tells the Commission that when the President's limo slows down enough, the agents run alongside the car.
Mr. McCLOY: It was part of your routine duties when you were going through a street in any city, to look at the windows as well as the crowds?
Mr. LAWSON: Yes, sir; and if the President's car slowed to such a point or the crowd ever pressed in to such a point that people are getting too close to the President, the agents always get out and go along the car. 4 H 327
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From : Evelyn Lincoln's book,"" Kennedy & Johnson ""(1968).
She states that JFK was very reluctant to go on the trip to Texas;
"Advance reports from our own staff and from many other people gave us cause to worry about the tense climate in Texas...and most especially, in Dallas.
Dallas was removed and then put back on the planned itinerary several times. Our own advance man urged that the motorcade not take the route through the underpass and past the Book Depository, but he was overruled."..
Humbug.....
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