Roy Cohn, 4,394 FBI pages

[Jan Klimkowski]

Seamus - I've also seen claims refuting the identification of the mafia Bonanno with the Bonanno who served on the board of Lionel at the same time as Cohn and Medaris.

So, the LaRouche Dope Inc claim that the mafia Bonanno was part of Lionel seems likely incorrect.

However, Cohn and Medaris' involvement with Lionel are substantiated, and I doubt they had anything to do with toy trains - unless Roy used them to entice the children he allegedly buggered and peddled to high profile individuals. (The source for that is former Nebraska State Senator and Phoenix Program operative, John DeCamp - who himself comes with a strong health warning, as I have previously articulated here at DPF.)

During Cohn and Medaris' stewardship of Lionel it seems to have been used as a front for whatever nefarious agendas were driving the pair's actions.

As for Medaris' close relationship with von Braun, one doesn't have to posit a direct role in the assassination of JFK to consider this intriguing.

Phil Dragoo's post #19 in the Permindex thread contains further interesting material.

[Seamus Coogan]

Seamus - I've also seen claims refuting the identification of the mafia Bonanno with the Bonanno who served on the board of Lionel at the same time as Cohn and Medaris.

So, the LaRouche Dope Inc claim that the mafia Bonanno was part of Lionel seems likely incorrect.

However, Cohn and Medaris' involvement with Lionel are substantiated, and I doubt they had anything to do with toy trains - unless Roy used them to entice the children he allegedly buggered and peddled to high profile individuals. (The source for that is former Nebraska State Senator and Phoenix Program operative, John DeCamp - who himself comes with a strong health warning, as I have previously articulated here at DPF.)

During Cohn and Medaris' stewardship of Lionel it seems to have been used as a front for whatever nefarious agendas were driving the pair's actions.

As for Medaris' close relationship with von Braun, one doesn't have to posit a direct role in the assassination of JFK to consider this intriguing.

Phil Dragoo's post #19 in the Permindex thread contains further interesting material.

Yes thanks Jan. Awesome links by Phil. I added the Flammonde link in my reply. Also cheers for sparking the conversation with the info here...and once I get my PC on line, I'm going to have a serious look at Dans Cohn files. It's just a shame some rather well known people feel they have to chuck JFK around as something of a selling point in nefarious tawdry books. If anyone reads the CTKA stuff on Farrell and the MJ-12 stuff they'll get a fair idea of the main culprits.

I am inspired to do a piece based for CTKA based on the back and forths in both threads here. Indeed, thanks to the converations I have had I have inadvertantly assembled an impressive team of yourself, Mags, Phil and Ted Rubenstein (I'm sure he'd fit in well here) to help. Thus I am quite excited, I don't know many other forums where one could base on essay around the various conversations in a topic.

I agree with you as well. This whole thing aside from JFK is very interesting. As I said to Phil on the Permindex link, Kennedy may be the most important aspect of this scenario in part due to the Garrison investigation. But when you extricate individuals like Cohn away from the JFK palava, you still have an interesting nay fascinating stream of research, which is wholly legitimate. I know I am preaching to the converted however lol.

As for John DeCamp yes you told me awhile back to be wary of him. Will endeavour to steer clear and will def contact you, Mags and CD should I hit any road blocks.

[Jan Klimkowski]

As for John DeCamp yes you told me awhile back to be wary of him. Will endeavour to steer clear and will def contact you, Mags and CD should I hit any road blocks.

Seamus - the DeCamp situation is particularly complex.

He was the driving force behind the "Franklin Scandal" revelations.

Now, Franklin is the visible head of very nasty sex trafficking for leverage/blackmail/control over powerful poiticians and business figures. I have no doubt that something horrible happened in Franklin: crimes have and continue to take place within these trafficking networks.

The question for researchers is how much to trust the version presented by DeCamp and Gunderson.

DeCamp worked for (DCIA) Wiliam Colby during the Phoenix Program. In my judgement, an understanding of the real nature and purpose of the Phoenix Program is key to understanding the true nature of Power, and the networks (the Mechanics and Facilitators) created to serve that Power.

At the height of the "Franklin Scandal", DeCamp talks of receiving a death threat and of determining that his mentor, "Bill Colby" (as he intimately calls him) was correct: Franklin, and everything it represents, would be covered up.

Below is the passage where DeCamp writes of this.

Any researcher, faced with testimony from a man with DeCamp's political, military and intelligence background, must ask:

How much of this testimony can be taken at face value?

Some? All? None?

Does this testimony serve deeper political agendas?

At the height of the legislative Franklin investigation, when the Douglas County grand jury was also going full bore, I received a phone call in the middle of the night, from a close friend of mine in Omaha, who wanted to warn me that my life might be in danger. It was approximately a week after Gary Caradori died.

"Why do you believe this?" I asked. "Are you sure you are not falling into a trap, overreacting to rumors?"

"I don't know," answered Mary Kay Evans, a former campaign chairman of mine. "As you know, I am close to one of the University of Nebraska Board of Regents members, Dr. Robert Prokop. He called me and said he did not particularly like you or really ever get to know you, but that he felt he had an obligation, morally, to warn you."

I knew of Dr. Prokop. Everybody in Nebraska did.

Prokop had been chairman of the Board of Regents for many years. He had been a Democratic candidate for Governor of Nebraska just recently. And he was somewhat famous as a police pathologist, not only in Nebraska, but for many cities in the United States.

"What did Prokop say," I asked, "that has you so concerned?"

"He simply told me he was with the police, riding around talking to individuals on the street -- which he does once a month, he said -- and he learned that you were supposed to be the target of an assassination, because of your Franklin involvement and trying to force the investigation there. And he said that if I cared about you, that I should call you so that at least his conscience would be clear."

The next day, I called Dr. Robert Prokop. I told him who I was and what Mary Kay had said. I asked him if Mary Kay was imagining things, or maybe just getting carried away a bit, because of all the concern and fear that Franklin was generating.

Prokop was stern and nervous. "We really don't know each other," he said, "but I feel I have a moral obligation to tell you that when I was with the police last night, one of the very reliable informants we talked to advised us that you, John DeCamp, were supposed to be the 'first hit,' instead of Gary Caradori. In other words, Mr. DeCamp, you were supposed to be eliminated first and then Gary Caradori if that was necessary. Now that Caradori has been killed, I was concerned that maybe they will go ahead with the next hit, which means you."

"Are you serious?" I asked. "Do you really think there is even a remote possibility that could happen?"

"I have no doubt it could happen," Prokop said. "I have been doing police work and autopsies for almost as long as you have been around. And I think I know the difference between conversation and serious talk. That's why I felt I had to warn you, even if it is not my area of responsibility."

After warning me by phone, Prokop took it upon himself to make three separate trips to Lincoln from Omaha, to meet with the legislative Franklin committee and try to warn them of the seriousness of this threat.

So, am I crazy to be concerned? Is Prokop crazy? Maybe so. But there have been too many surprises for people closely involved in Franklin, who ended up dead.

I was prepared to take Bill Colby's warning seriously, when he sat me down and warned me that Franklin would never be dealt with without exposure in the national and international press.

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What is Franklin really all about?

Was it theft by a black politician of forty million dollars? Is it child abuse?

Is it just a big "homosexual party," as Mr. Fenner from the NCUA suggested to me?

Is it laundering money for Iran-Contra?

Were there murders to protect rich and powerful people?

Were there politicians involved in the sins and the cover-up?

Does it involve satanic cult activity and pedophilia, and exploitation of children in horrible ways?

Why does the World-Herald care so much, and why has it gone overboard to damage and discredit anyone who would maintain that Franklin is more than a hoax?

Why do people continue to believe, that there was and is a cover-up, by prominent wealthy businessmen and politicians?

What I am going to offer now are my conclusions, my beliefs, based on the massive information I have seen and heard since Franklin broke in November 1988.

First, I have absolutely no doubt, that prominent individuals, whom everybody in Omaha is familiar with, and many of whom have been named during the investigation, have engaged in long-term activity involving drug peddling and drug abuse, child abuse, and pedophilia, with particular attention to the abuse of young boys.

That in the case of Larry King and the cadre of people he dealt with closely, boys and girls like Paul Bonacci, Troy Boner, Danny King, and Alisha Owen were used as drug couriers for a national program of illegal narcotics marketing. They were "throwaway" kids. Because they were teenagers and younger when they were doing this activity, they provided a perfect insulation blanket between the real drug czars, like Larry King or Alan Baer, and the law.

Larry King was able to read people and compromise people through their weaknesses. And Larry King knew whom to cater to and to compromise. Compromise the heads of institutions. Cater to the secret sins of a law enforcer, so that when you need protection, that official is not in a position to do anything but sit and watch your illegal activities. Cater to the weakness for drugs, or 13-year-old girls, or 9-year-old boys, and then blackmail as required.

Yes, based on what I have seen, much of which I am legally forbidden to reveal, I have no doubt that child abuse, pedophilia, illegal drug trafficking, murder, satanic cult activity, theft, and a host of other crimes were involved in what we have come to know as the Franklin scandal.

Just as surely do I believe, that there was and is a cover-up.

Just as surely do I fear, that nothing will be done about it.

So, let me conclude my saying simply this: Bill Colby, you were right. It is too big. I am too small. They are too rich and powerful, and go up too high in business and government, for me to touch them or do anything about it. Yes, it is something that I should have abandoned long ago and faced up to the fact that good does not always triumph and that evil, with its many faces, does sometimes succeed.

At least for a while.

If this book is read and acted on by others, I hope it will be more than just what Colby called my "private parade."