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Was there a body swap at the autopsy at Bethesda?
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In reading the accounts of the doctors at Parkland Hospital and at the Bethesda autopsy, I noticed that the Parkland doctors stated they inserted chest tubes but the autopists stated there were only superficial lacerations at the chest tube sites, same with the cutdowns that the Parkland doctors had inserted and given IV fluid and blood through. In googling this subject I came across this blog from the Education Forum in 2007:

The investigation by Ashton Gray, among others, of possible sinister activities undertaken by medical personnel and/or others at Parkland Hospital relative to the coup d'grace hypothesis represents an invaluable and long-overdue evolution of an earlier focus on the general subject of, well, medical malpractice in the JFK assassination.

As originally reported by Brad Parker some 11 years ago:

The first Dallas meeting of Dealey Plaza UK was held on Sunday, November 24, 1996 at the Dallas Grand Hotel. At 1:30 pm, Chairman Richard Livingstone called the meeting to order, adding that he hopes to have further meetings in Dallas.

Four speakers addressed the meeting. Each had spoken at the JFK-Lancer conference in the preceding days, but selected a different topic for this day.

[George Michael] Evica cited the discrepancy in the accounts of the chest tube incisions made in Dallas. According to Evica, the autopsy personnel did not notice the incisions or disruption to the interior chest wall caused by the trocars to assist in the introduction of the tubes. He determined that four possibilities for the inconsistencies exist:

1. The Dallas doctors lied..."which is unlikely."
2. The Dallas doctors introduced superficial incisions after death to make it appear as though they had implemented the chest drainage tubes..."which is unlikely."
3. The autopsy doctors lied.
4. Both the Dallas and Bethesda doctors were truthful, indicating the presence of a second body at the autopsy
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George Michael presented an updated chest wounds essay at the March, 2004 DPUK meeting in England.

So!

(sorry)

Yet more conflicting medical evidence in a case redolent of such machinations. The doppelganger phenomenon again is noted.

If a copy of Evica's presentation exists in the DPUK library, would someone kindly post it here? At the present time, George Michael cannot access his archives.

Charles
(end of quote)
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Does anyone know what happened to Evica's presentation?

After reading the doctor's accounts I believe that Evica's 4th possible conclusion is correct.

The body at Parkland had chest tubes inserted, cutdowns with veins cannulated with fluid and blood administered. There were 3 cutdowns one infiltrated.(went into the tissues)
The corpse at Bethesda did not have chest tubes inserted or IVs that had been inserted or for that matter infiltrated.
The body at Parkland's face had bulging eyes.
The corpse at Bethesda had sunken eyes.
JFK's eyes were grey green.
The corpse at Bethesda had blue eyes per autopsy report.
Humes states in the JAMA article of '92 that JFK's face did not have subcutaneous fat as a patient of Addison's would have.
JFK often bemoaned the appearance of his "moon face".
JFK had a permant tan due to Addison's but no mention of the tan is made in the autopsy report.
Ebersole stated the x-ray showed JFK had a bulging disc but Jackie Kennedy stated there was no reason for Kennedy's back surgery. He had compression fractures not bulging discs.

I find the theory of medical malpractice hard to believe. The doctors at Parkland saw 500 gunshots per year. When Oswald came the nurses were proud that they got him off to surgery fast just as they worked on Connally and JFK, fast and efficient. To all of sudden to only act like chest tubes were inserted is so goofy I laughed when I read that. To say the autopist lied.. To see that the wounds were suerficial takes only a kindergarten level of knowledge. Reading the autopist report on the brain, I'm impressed. Comparing Rose's autopsy of Oswald to Hume's autopsy, Humes goes into much, much, much more detail. To say these doctors lied I can't buy. These doctors were interviewed at lenth over many years but stuck to the same story. To lie you need to keep the lie simple and know how to lie. These docs didn't lie they were just gullible. Just like the rest of us.
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#12
Best explained by Horne, in my opinion. A pre-autopsy was done under national security orders using the WWIII virus as precedent. In their rush they forgot Pitzer was filming remotely, which necessitated the attempted services of Dan Marvin. Pitzer captured both the fraud and original wounds on film.
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#13
Isn't this the description of the chest tube incisions and cut downs?

Situated on the anterior chest wall in the
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[size=12]nipple line are bilateral 2 cm . long recent transverse surgical incisions into the

subcutaneous tissue. The one on the left is situated 11 cm. cepbalad to the nipple
and the one on the right 8 cm . caphalad to the nipple . There is no hemorrhage or
occhymosis associated with these wounds . A similar clean wound measuring 2 cm. in
length is situated on the antero-lateral aspect of the left mid arm. Situated on the
autero-lateral aspect of each ankle is a recent 2 cm. transverse incision into the
subcutaneous tissue .

http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/000618_2.htm
This is the location of a chest tube incision....

I think THIS is much more telling as to WHO was on the table... how could these men make this statement in the autopsy?

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[size=12]Skeletal System
Aside from theshow described skull wounds.. there are no significant gross skeletal abnormalities.



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Kennedy Underwent High Risk Back Pain Surgery http://www.vacupractor.com/famous-people...back-pain/

......In a December 2002 article in the Atlantic Monthly, Dallek writes that in the 1930s and 40s, physicians did not realize the long-term effects of corticosteroids specifically the suppression of normal adrenal function and the inducement of osteoporosis in the lower back. X-rays from the early 50s show compression fractures in Kennedy's lower spine.

In 1954, while senator of Massachusetts, Kennedy underwent back surgery, which posed extreme risks due to his Addison's disease, as his hormone treatments suppressed his immune system. According to Reeves, no one with Addison's disease had ever previously survived traumatic surgery. But Kennedy said his back pain was so severe, he would rather die than live with the pain. His x-rays revealed that his fifth lumbar vertebra had collapsed, and he had become more dependent on his crutches. He survived the surgery, but was hospitalized for nine months afterward due to a urinary-tract infection and a transfusion reaction

Furthermore... this description basically proves there was an operation to his head prior to the autopsy, or there was a bullet MUCH LOWER than described and slices thru the lower center of the brain.... right were a low, rear, blowout might occur... if the bullet was traveling from front to back....

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/vent.html

There is a longitudinal laceration of the
mid-brain through the floor of the third ventricle just behind the optic
chiasm and the mammillary bodies.



As I believe I had said... NOTHING related to the medical record after the body leaves Parkland is reliable evidence for what injuries were sustained in Dallas.
my .02
DJ
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#14
Albert Doyle Wrote:Best explained by Horne, in my opinion. A pre-autopsy was done under national security orders using the WWIII virus as precedent. In their rush they forgot Pitzer was filming remotely, which necessitated the attempted services of Dan Marvin. Pitzer captured both the fraud and original wounds on film.

Albert, Where does Doug Horne say this? Betty
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#15
I have been waiting for the "Betty Chruscielski" entity to appear in the wake of the "Albert Doyle" controversy.

On the following thread

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...ruscielski

"Chruscielski" argued that JFK was shot by a gunman in the motorcade's lead car and that Greer fired the head shot.

I'm inclined to conclude that the point in resurrecting "Chruscielski" now is to prompt me and others who saw through the original fiction to remind one and all of "her" purpose. Soon will come the cries that I have lost touch and that I am seeing agents provocateur behind every bush.

So be it.

I share with you the following observations which I made on June 6, 2011, on the thread linked above:

The Greer and Lead Car "arguments" have been exposed for what they are -- fictions designed to distract and fragment JFK assassination investigators.

Is "Betty Chruscielski" simply a well-intentioned fool? An agent of disinformation? A real person or a composite identity?

In the final analysis, "her" intentions and identity are of keen interest. But "her" presentations here must be treated with utter disdain.

Expose the falsehoods. Laugh "her" out of the room.

But under no circumstances engage "her" in debate.

If we do, then the killers of JFK win the day.



Our own Magda Hassan tore into "Chruscielski" on that thread as follows:

Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
My theory is the shot came from the back window of the lead car.

Hassan:
Which window? This is unclear. The rear passenger window or the rear windscreen?


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
That back window would be a mafia window that's able to be opened to allow the hit to happen.

Hassan:
It could also be a magic window and magically disappear at the right moment....Perhaps another magic bullet fired from another magic gun too. Perhaps it had a magic sun roof too to shoot from. The possibilities are endless.


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
The mafia for years have had the ability to do drive by hits from rear windows of cars.

Hassan:
Mmmm...yeah, and bust kneecaps and cut off fingers.


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
The significance of having someone looking backwards is that that person would know what was happening in the limo.

Hassan:
It has no significance at all. It doesn't follow at all.


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
Jesse Curry said to the WC he saw a commotion in the limo through his rear view mirror but didn't know what was happening until the motorcycle cop James Chainey [sic] came and told him. So Jesse Curry lied. Why did he lie?

Hassan:
Doesn't mean he lied at all. If JC saw a commotion in the rear view mirror doesn't mean he can't also look back out the window for a better view. Not that this is going to solve his curiosity either. Just because he tried to get a better view doesn't mean he got a better view or understood any better what was going on.


"Chruscielski" last posted on that thread on June 7, 2011.
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#16
Our own Magda Hassan tore into "Chruscielski" on that thread as follows:

Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
My theory is the shot came from the back window of the lead car.

Hassan:
Which window? This is unclear. The rear passenger window or the rear windscreen?


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
That back window would be a mafia window that's able to be opened to allow the hit to happen.

Hassan:
It could also be a magic window and magically disappear at the right moment....Perhaps another magic bullet fired from another magic gun too. Perhaps it had a magic sun roof too to shoot from. The possibilities are endless.


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
The mafia for years have had the ability to do drive by hits from rear windows of cars.

Hassan:
Mmmm...yeah, and bust kneecaps and cut off fingers.


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
The significance of having someone looking backwards is that that person would know what was happening in the limo.

Hassan:
It has no significance at all. It doesn't follow at all.


Originally Posted by Betty Chruscielski
Jesse Curry said to the WC he saw a commotion in the limo through his rear view mirror but didn't know what was happening until the motorcycle cop James Chainey [sic] came and told him. So Jesse Curry lied. Why did he lie?

Hassan:
Doesn't mean he lied at all. If JC saw a commotion in the rear view mirror doesn't mean he can't also look back out the window for a better view. Not that this is going to solve his curiosity either. Just because he tried to get a better view doesn't mean he got a better view or understood any better what was going on.


"Chruscielski" last posted on that thread on June 7, 2011.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I did look into Magda's challenge regarding the "magic" rear window. With help from others I found out about the Mercury Breezeway a car made by Ford in the 1960's. It had a rear window that rolled down that was controlled by a button at the driver's command. Betty
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#17
As I recall, the rear window in question was not an "option", but was part of the design of a "specific" Mercury model that had a roof and c-post adapted for that "specific" model.
Driving

Larry
StudentofAssassinationResearch

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#18
LR Trotter Wrote:As I recall, the rear window in question was not an "option", but was part of the design of a "specific" Mercury model that had a roof and c-post adapted for that "specific" model.
Driving

The Greer and Lead Car "arguments" have been exposed for what they are -- fictions designed to distract and fragment JFK assassination investigators.

Is "Betty Chruscielski" simply a well-intentioned fool? An agent of disinformation? A real person or a composite identity?

In the final analysis, "her" intentions and identity are of keen interest. But "her" presentations here must be treated with utter disdain.

Expose the falsehoods. Laugh "her" out of the room.

But under no circumstances engage "her" in debate.

If we do, then the killers of JFK win the day.
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