Mr. Lemkin:
My JFK research has given me several insights to fascism and oligarchicalism which I could list here:
(1) I didn't realize that Aristotlle laid out the "facts of life" about oligarchy. It's apparently not a new phenomenon.
(2) Gay activity used to be called (by some) "the love which dare not speak its name". Well, oligarchy "the government which dare not speak its name." Apparently the tell-tale sign of oligarchy is referred to as the "theory of the state". In other words, such a government can't say "we have an oligarchy form of government." Instead, they say "we have a veneration of the state." The goal is "the state". (But what does that mean? This thinking is meaningless). Amazingly, both the government of Putin and the government of Argentina's Juan Peron used the identical explanation of their philosophy as veneration of the "state". (I have also heard that Japanese Shintoism involves a worship of the state).
(3) In "The New Odessa: How Peron Brought The Nazi War Criminals To Argentina" by Uki Goni, one can find some amazing insight into Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump as well as Juan Peron. Peron built on the base of the oligarchy but he added a new ingredient: the support of labor unions. Thus he broadened the base of the oligarchy to pick up the support of some working people, enough to become an icon. In a biography of Putin which I also read recently, Putin also uses "the state" as his entire philosophy of government. Trump has taken the Koch Brothers' oligarchy and added the extra ingredient of opposing the outsourcing of jobs and opposing illegal immigrants taking of jobs from workers. Since Juan Peron is defined by most people as a fascist, then that might make Trump and Putin fascists as well. (I'm not sure that Putin supports workers, as such, though).
(4) The missing link here is that fascism (i.e. the fasces or "bundle") has historically involved the binding together of the government, the (Catholic or Eastern Orthodox) church and the corporate establishment. Peron definitely involved the Catholic Church. Putin and Trump are not involving any church. That's why I'm not sure they qualify as fascists in the sense of Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Peron, etc.
(5) The big weakness of oligarchicalsm is its military weakness. In oligarchicalism, the ordinary person has no love for the goverment as do people under democracy or fascism. For that reason, such goverments are military pushovers. Thus, there has never been any Latin American country with any military influence whatever. The Southern Confederate oligarchy imploded. Mexico offered no resistance in the Mexican War. Spain collapsed in the Spanish-American War. Mussolini was deposed even with the threat of the US invasion. Even Hitler collapsed in the face of Stalin and the Communist invasion and that of the democracies.
(6) The other analysis which comes into play is found in the information about international banker Clarence Dillon. Dillon owned the banking firm Dillon, Read. He saw the basic conflict and struggle of government as being between private creation of credit (i.e. loaning most of the money) and the government creating credit through loaning money by government bonds and government entities such as the New Deal FHLA, Fannie Mae, Ginnie Mac and so forth. Dillon believed that it's an abberation when rich people control the government and loan all the money. He believed that this was the case from the Civil War up to the New Deal. This was the heyday of the Robber Barons, Jay Gould, John D Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. I'm not sure where his analysis would put the US government today. The Federal Government still loans most of the money through the Federal Reserve, the US Treasury (bonds) and the bloated spending on the military-industrial complex, etc.
I would say that Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were 100% fascists. Since Putin and Trump don't feature legally established religion, I'm not sure they are 100% fascists: maybe 50% fascists.
James Lateer
Fascism is hard to define with any one universally accepted definition. Mussellini is often credited with the first definition and his was 'corporatism - the uniting of the state and corporations'. I don't see that a state religion has to play in the definition - or in a system to be so defined. Hitler's 'religion' shifted over time and was mostly the strange archaic views of SS mysticism of the Thule Society and others like that. But even on that point, I take issue. While my own definition of fascism does not include a 'state religion' - other than that one must 'worship' the state and the power of the state and its figureheads, Trump has, in fact, stated without being explicit that Christianity and especially the Evangelical variety is most favored and all other religions of a lower cast, and Muslims are nearly the devil in his hymn book. Putin has clearly associated himself officially with the Orthodox Christian Church. What does define fascism, IMO, is rule of the wealthy and powerful [oligarchy], be they individuals or corporations; state propaganda rules supreme and there is an official orthodoxy of belief and all others are suppressed or crushed; militarism, masculinity at the expense of feminine values are glorified if not worshiped along with the police and security/intelligence apparat producing a militarized war-hungry police state with universal spying on the citizens; control by fear; withdrawal of all help for the needy and weaker members of society, no matter how defined, and in the extreme cases the killing of those defined as weaker; and the use of the 'outside other' as the scapegoat to have the disaffected masses cast their hate and unhappiness upon to deflect via the propaganda from the real and actual causes of their group and personal unhappiness. You might want to look at some books on the subject, such as Ur-fascism by Umberto Eco or look at this article 'Is Trump an Ur-Fascist?'
https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/1...sm/502841/
Open conflict breaks out at Trump Tower Panama.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/27/t...nama-city/
[FONT=&]PANAMA CITY Panamanian police on Tuesday handcuffed a security guard working for President Donald Trump's hotel here, in the midst of a dispute in which the hotel's majority owner has tried to fire the Trump Organization and Trump employees have refused to leave.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The security guard was brought down an elevator by a contingent of police who arrived at the luxury hotel on Monday morning. The police then drove him away in a patrol car.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&]A police commander at the scene said the guard had been detained for denying officers access to an area of the hotel. It was unclear whether he had been formally arrested. The commander declined to be identified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The detention marked the latest escalation in a standoff that began Thursday. That afternoon, the hotel's majority owner, Orestes Fintiklis, made a sudden attempt to terminate the Trump Organization's contract to manage the facility. Fintiklis blames the organization and the U.S. president's polarizing brand for the hotel's declining revenue.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Since that first confrontation, there been yelling matches, barricaded offices and some shoving in a hotel backroom. The two sides have accused each other of lying and "mob-style" tactics. And Fintiklis has sought to draw the Panamanian government into the dispute raising questions about how the leadership of a U.S. ally would handle a confrontation with the American president's private business.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]On Tuesday, Fintiklis appeared to believe that he had won a round. Visits by the police and by officials from Panama's Labor Ministry seemed to indicate that Fintiklis has secured the help of the Panamanian government.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]After the guard's detention, Fintiklis sat down at the piano in the hotel's lobby and played Beethoven's "Für Elise."[/FONT]
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[FONT=&]"I'm a multi-talented mobster," he said afterward, a joking reference to the Trump Organization's allegation that he had used "mob style" tactics.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]On Tuesday, a worker at the scene sent videos from the hotel apparently taken before police arrived that seemed to show a physical altercation between several men in a back-office room filled with computers. The owners of the building have accused Trump Organization employees of blocking access to that room, which is supposed to be shared with non-Trump staffers.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]A day earlier, Panama's federal prosecutors said they had opened an investigation into the Trump Organization, after Fintiklis complained that he had been unlawfully blocked from his own property.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]With that, this bizarre standoff turned a theoretical concern about the Trump administration that, someday, the president's private business might be investigated by a foreign government into a reality.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]"The fear has always been that there would be an international incident involving the finances of the president, and the president would have his loyalties questioned," said Jordan Libowitz of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]"What kind of pressure would he be willing to place on them?" Libowitz asked, referring to foreign authorities.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The White House press office has not responded to questions sent about the standoff at Trump Panama. The U.S. Embassy in Panama City and the Panamanian Foreign Ministry declined to comment, saying they were not involved.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Fintiklis has also declined to provide detailed comments.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Trump says he has handed over day-to-day control of his companies to his sons Eric and Donald Jr. But the president still owns his businesses and can withdraw money from them at any time, documents show.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]On Monday, the Trump Organization issued a statement about the standoff in Panama, accusing Fintiklis and his allies of "mob style" tactics and of ignoring ongoing court actions over the future of the property.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]"It now appears as though Mr. Fintiklis has either lost patience with the pace of the proceedings which he commenced or simply lacks the financial backing he once claimed he had," the statement said. The Trump Organization's contract to manage the hotel extends to 2031.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The hotel shares space with residential condominiums in a 70-story tower that resembles a billowing sail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Since his election in November 2016, Trump's polarizing politics appear to have taken a toll on a number of his businesses hurting those in liberal cities and some places overseas. In two such places Toronto and Manhattan's SoHo neighborhood the owners of Trump-branded hotels cut ties last year with the Trump Organization, found new managers and dropped the Trump name.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]But those endings were amicable.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The dispute in Panama is not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The fight over the hotel here began last year, when Fintiklis a Cypriot businessman based in Miami bought 202 of the hotel's 369 units. The business is structured as a "hotel condominium," in which the rooms were sold individually, and the condo owners collectively contract with the Trump Organization to run the hotel.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]In his most recent personal financial disclosure, Trump said his company had received $810,000 in management fees over the preceding 15 1/2 months.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The Trump Organization said that, when he bought the units, Fintiklis had explicitly agreed not to try to fire the company as the hotel's manager.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]But late last year, he did.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Fintiklis took over the hotel condo owners association and moved to terminate the Trump Organization's contract. His argument made in letters to tenants has been that the hotel's finances were so bad that the Trump Organization had effectively broken its promise to manage the facility well.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]"It should be clear to all of us," Fintiklis wrote a few weeks ago, "that our investment has no future" with the Trump Organization brand on it. Some hotel-unit owners have reported that their properties are occupied less than 30 percent of the time.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Until last week, the dispute seemed likely to play out at the glacial speed of legal proceedings. There was a lawsuit in New York and an arbitration case.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]But then Fintiklis made his move.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]"Mr. Fintiklis arrived in Panama with a rogue private security team and others and launched a coordinated attack to physically take over the management of the Hotel," the Trump Organization said in its statement, recounting last Thursday's attempted takeover.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Fintiklis does not appear to have obtained a court's permission to take over the hotel.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Two people familiar with Fintiklis's account said that, after his arrival, hotel employees barricaded office doors with furniture, and they added that documents were shredded. The two people said Trump Organization employees including an executive who flew down from New York City also blocked access to a control room that houses servers and surveillance-camera monitors.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]This room, the two people said, is shared by the hotel operation and the managers of the residential side of the building, which is no longer operated by the Trump Organization. The two spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing legal proceedings.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]In response, building administrators who do not work for the Trump Organization temporarily cut power Friday to the portion of the building that houses the surveillance room. Throughout the day, there were problems with cable TV and internet service.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]On Monday afternoon, an attorney for Fintiklis attempted to serve citations to nine hotel employees summoning them to the Labor Ministry, but hotel security guards denied him access, according to owners in the building with knowledge of the dispute.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Fintiklis's attorney went to Panamanian prosecutors Friday, complaining that Trump Organization staffers had used "intimidation and threats" to block his client from his own building. That complaint was what triggered the prosecutors' promise to investigate.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]In a letter to employees of the hotel sent Sunday afternoon, Fintiklis sought to turn them to his side saying they had been misled and betrayed by a few officials who were serving the Trump Organization, rather than the hotel's owners.[/FONT][FONT=&]"Now it must be clear to all of you that the Trump Organization, in an effort to win some financial and strategic gains over me and the other owners, has lied to you and put your work at the hotel in grave risk," he wrote. "You have been victims of a horrible lie."[/FONT]
Tracy, sounds like a job for Seal Team 6 to me. #MAGA. :

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Peter: If I may, I will list your five main ingredients of fascism:
1) Rule of the wealthy and powerful
2) Use of heavy state propaganda
3) Militarism and masculine orientation
4) Prominence of Intelligence apparatus
5) Blaming disaffected groups as scapegoats
I have a problem with this definition. Based on your definition, there is no distinction between monarchism and fascism. Russia under the Czars or England under the Stuarts would qualify under your definition as fascism. It would also include the theocratic government of Iran. The government of Frederick the Great of Prussia and Prussia under Bismarck were essentially military dictatorships but there was no need to invent the word fascism until Mussolini came on the scene. These were either ordinary dictatorships or monarchies. All dictatorships are not fascist, or at least they weren't prior to the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century. Pericles was the dictator of Athens in the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] century b.c.
The definition and discussions of fascism that I have seen on various sites says that the use of the term fascism originated in the early twentieth century, mostly under Mussolini. If one recognizes that fact, then it is disingenuous to then retroactively include governments which existed prior to Mussolini. Those governments in their day had a name. Before 1920, the choices were oligarchy (labelled by Aristotlle in 400 b.c), monarchy, republics, tyrannies (dictatorships) and theocracy. All of those were represented in the ancient world. Today, one could also add Communism, although that existed, arguably, in the Book of Acts in the Bible and in early American history at New Harmony, Indiana and in the Paris Commune of 1870.
The word "fascism" means bundle. One source which I read said that the bundle is the people ( who are bundled). That is patently incorrect. Every government bundles its people. The "bundle" which was originated by Mussolini was the bundle of the military, the state established church and the corporations. The important point here is that fascism was invented as an antidote for communism. And the three major interest groups that stood together in opposition to communism were corporations (and the wealthy), the state established church and the military, which was groomed to serve the interests of the first two.
The following would be a list of consensus fascist goverments:
1) Italy under Mussolini
2) Germany under Hitler
3) Argentina under Juan Peron
4) Spain under General Francisco Franco
5) Portugal under Antonio Salazar
6) Chile under General Augusto Pinochet
7) Argentina under the Generals in the 1970's and 1980's (and Pope Francis)
8) Greece under the Colonels in the 1970's
Since most people hated and currently hate fascism, then it is easy to borrow the term to label any government you don't like as fascist. But that takes the meaning out of the word fascism which, in fact, had a very specific meaning.
All of the above listed fascist governments involved a state established church and in all except Greece, it was the Catholic Church. But what about Hitler?
Actually, Hitler started out in Munich. And Bavaria where Hitler began was 70% Catholic. It is well-known that Hitler, as a youth, was an alter-boy. The more unique aspect of German fascism is that Germany had an established Church but as a defense, they had also established the Lutheran church under law. But it has always been clear that fascism was invented by the established church(es) to oppose communism.
There are two legal definitions of religion in American law. The generic definition requires belief in a higher power. But for Constitutional purposes, it only requires a group of people who are bound together by a list of beliefs and principles which govern their life. Ironically, under the Establishment clause, communism should have been protected as a religion under legal precedent just like Buddhism which does not believe in a higher power.
It seems clear that fascism was invented by the Catholic (and sometimes the Eastern Rites and in Germany Lutheranism) to compete with communism for the same flocks, and also by large corporate interests which also surfaced for the first time around the late 19[SUP]th[/SUP] and early 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century.
It is especially inapplicable to claim that Putin and Trump somehow represent establishment religion. In a biography of Putin that I read recently, he was ruled by seven oligarchs, four of whom were Jewish. America (or probably Russia) do not have legally established religions. I don't think, also, that you could really define America under Trump as a fascist government. That's just labelling for its own sake.
James Lateer
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Tracy, sounds like a job for Seal Team 6 to me. #MAGA. :
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That's what I was thinking! Time for good old fashioned gunboat diplomacy.