Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Mark Stapleton]

... this convo is over...

bu-bye now.

Not again.

How many times is that?

[Mark Stapleton]

How you can give this person ANY intellectual credibility when people like MOSLEY go unresearched, and GLADIO does not play in discussions of PERMINDEX
is, to me, absurd and requires more than the deflecting posts offered.

Gladio is of course key to Permindex.

See the DPF thread here.

Gladio is a great name for a Spanish bullfighter. Surely he couldn't rival the immortal Joselito.

[David Josephs]

How you can give this person ANY intellectual credibility when people like MOSLEY go unresearched, and GLADIO does not play in discussions of PERMINDEX
is, to me, absurd and requires more than the deflecting posts offered.

Gladio is of course key to Permindex.

See the DPF thread here.

Gladio is a great name for a Spanish bullfighter. Surely he couldn't rival the immortal Joselito.

Excellent Mark... at least you mention Gladio in one form or another.... Maybe explain how Piper can introduce Permindex and
not make a connection to Gladio... since he MUST have PERMINDEX be a Lansky/CIA operation to keep his flimsy connections alive...

Research at its best...

[Albert Doyle]

Do you believe it academically sound to base an entire book and accusation on a 2nd hand report of what this man MOSLEY SAYS Homer Said without investigating who this MOSLEY was?
Without presenting just a bit more info on the man and his background?

All you are doing here David is re-entering the same original intent to color Echevarria, and now Mosley, as being Cuban oriented. The real issue here is should YOU be allowed to pretend you have some kind of superior understanding of 'Final Judgment' without having read the book? Mosley and his background have nothing to do with the context of what he witnessed. Piper only mentions him once because his exposure and meaning is very limited to being the key person who witnessed this revelatory information. As is typical of all you've entered here David, your input is not the type that seeks to honestly interpret what is shown but instead seeks to lead off into over-referenced, out of context side tracks designed to assign desired evasive meanings to things. This wild approach caused you to commit the fatal mistake of trying to assign highly meaningful actions Kennedy committed, that back Piper's thesis, to Johnson. So far, after making several grand exits, you have yet to admit you did that, or what it contended, or how it related to your exit. And here we are again, back to another of your attempts to assign inaccurate meaning to the information. Like Cinque, when shown things you don't want to admit you attack the source. Now you're attacking Mosley. It's a very thin approach considering how well you've done so far.


Like I said, if you read Piper you would understand that Cuba and Dallas were so tightly connected to the main cabal that it would be nearly impossible for any jewish interest to access the heart of the main conspiracy so deeply without being in contact with those main players. Your excuse-making theory of innocent jewish Cuban interest grinds against the fact the main players might want to know who else was also trying to kill Kennedy since it might screw-up their plans. Your scenario suggests these jewish freelancers accessed the heart of the conspiracy with the spoken intent of killing Kennedy yet somehow avoided all of the powerful CIA, mafia-connected conspirators who, while planning one of the most important assassinations in history, showed no interest in these independent assassins who might otherwise screw-up their plans. Meanwhile, while you offer yet another disingenuous red-herring, you never get around to answering who exactly directed those new backers to Echevarria and the inner Cubans? Or where their funding came from? These are valid and important deep politics questions that you think diverting us to a Cinque-like questioning of Mosley will grant you the privilege of ignoring. Those questions still stand and, like Cinque, you haven't given adequate answers to them while trying to lead us into another classic meaningless loop.


Those who appreciate the bigger picture Piper paints understand that the Tibor Rosenbaum Swiss bank nexus, as well as Israel's acquiring of nuclear weapons, can't be extricated or separated from the main interests of the conspirators. Piper succeeds in showing that those interests were so deeply tied in to the interests of the main conspirators that it would be impossible for them to be separated from any backers entering the situation no matter what their stated purpose. Sure Gladio and Permindex were also deeply tied in to the interests of the conspirators but it would be remiss for any deep politics follower to not mention Piper's detailing of how Angleton and Shaw were connected to both Permindex and Israel or its meaning. The deeper draw here is not the Cuba-related parochial interests of any jewish backers but the greater CIA/Mossad network those interests served. Any objective analysis of those Cuban casinos would show they were directly related to the Meyer Lansky CIA/Mossad Swiss bank network which was a much more powerful interest than the interests of any local jewish businessmen. Nor could those local interests escape the attention or control of Meyer Lansky. Especially if they were aimed towards his strictly controlled Cuban domain. No, trying to divert this to specious discussion of Mosley will not get around this overbearing greater scenario nor will it serve as genuine discussion of Piper or his evidence. This new CIA government delivered on its promises after Kennedy's death, as Johnson's Israel policy more than shows. And it's hard to ignore this present day American/Israeli relationship grew directly from the origin point of Kennedy's assassination.

[Charles Drago]

A rhetorical question about "Albert Doyle" --

[Mark Stapleton]

Maybe explain how Piper can introduce Permindex and
not make a connection to Gladio... since he MUST have PERMINDEX be a Lansky/CIA operation to keep his flimsy connections alive...

Wasn't Gladio a CIA/NATO operation? The thread Jan linked dealt mainly with Permindex.

If you're peeved about this glaring ommission, why don't you email Piper and ask him yourself? I'm not an errand boy.

[Greg Burnham]

A rhetorical question about "Albert Doyle" --

Butch Cassidy: Alright. I'll jump first.
Sundance Kid: No.
Butch Cassidy: Then you jump first.
Sundance Kid: No, I said.
Butch Cassidy: What's the matter with you?
Sundance Kid: I can't swim.
Butch Cassidy[/url]: Are you crazy? The fall will probably kill you.
[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000602/]Sundance Kid: Oh, shit...

Indeed.

[Charles Drago]

The words of Vincent Salandria, as he recounts them in the recently shared story of his meeting with Arlen Specter:

" ... I also concluded that if Oswald was killed by a Jew, it would indicate a high level WASP plot. further decided that the killing of Oswald would signal that no government investigation could upturn the truth. In that event we as private citizens would have to investigate the assassination to arrive at the historical truth." [emphasis added for the edification of the Hole in the Head Gang* -- a/k/a "Albert Doyle."
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*Butch and Sundance have much to teach us.

[Charles Drago]

If you're peeved about this glaring ommission, why don't you email Piper and ask him yourself? I'm not an errand boy.

But I bet that "Albert Doyle" is -- and that, thanks to frequent use, "he" has Piper's e-mail address at the tip of "his" forked tongue.

[Greg Burnham]

The words of Vincent Salandria, as he recounts them in the recently shared story of his meeting with Arlen Specter:

" ... I also concluded that if Oswald was killed by a Jew, it would indicate a high level WASP plot. further decided that the killing of Oswald would signal that no government investigation could upturn the truth. In that event we as private citizens would have to investigate the assassination to arrive at the historical truth." [emphasis added for the edification of the Hole in the Head Gang* -- a/k/a "Albert Doyle."
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*Butch and Sundance have much to teach us.

Sun Dance Kid: "Who are those guys?"

Butch: "Why, don't cha know, Kid? Them there's the Hole-in-the-Head-Gang .. Be-jee-berz!"

Sun Dance Kid: "You just keep on thinkin' Charlie, it's what you're good at."