JVB vs Scott Kaiser

[Dawn Meredith]

I think DiEugenio has made a good case against Judyth Baker's credibility. I'd like to see her explain this Jackson gaffe. Where she is right now is she is sticking to her claim that she was the woman in the jalopy. She's aware of the problem because she's gone on the Amazon comments to her book claiming that she recently went to Jackson and recalled things from the time that were confirmed by Mary Morgan. But that doesn't answer the point. Her claim of being able to prove she was there through her identification of features existing at the time does not answer why Oswald switched from a black Cadillac with Ferrie and Shaw to an old jalopy with her? So JVB's answer is evasive in its form. What still hasn't been answered, and still needs to be answered, is the specific details of the who, what, why, and where of the car swap from the Cadillac to the jalopy. According to the known facts of Jackson there has to be a story behind that. So far JVB hasn't provided any.

Good job Jim. I think JVB has been busted inserting herself into a scene that the later facts proved to be impossible. This is a giant gaping hole in her credibility which begs what else did she fabricate? She's an assassination queen riding in an Oswald ghost car in the assassination parade.

Oooo, talk about busted...



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Are you prepared to buy four hours of interview, it will cost you!


https://vimeo.com/ondemand/24516

Amazing. Is Wim trying to recoup some of the money he wasted on the Files bullshit? Why would anyone PAY to hear an interview with JVB?

[Albert Doyle]

I think it would be incumbent upon DiEugenio to answer Edward Haslam's reply. This does (appear) to swing the momentum back in JVB's favor:

Lee went to Jackson twice. The first time was on Aug. 29 when he took the bio-weapon to the hospital. He road in Clay Shaw's black Cadillac with David Ferrie. They drove down the road to Clinton to wait for a phone call saying the the prisoner had left Angola. What caught them by surprise was that CORE had scheduled a black voter registration drive for Aug. 29 to follow up on the inertia of MLK's "I have a dream" speech on Aug. 28, so the area in front of the courthouse was full of people, and not empty as they had anticipated. That is where town marshal John Manchester saw them, as Bill Davy reports in his book.

Once they got their phone call, they headed back to Jackson where they intercepted the van from the prison on the road and followed it onto the grounds of the East Louisiana Hospital to make the guards think that they were part of the convoy from Angola. Once the prisoner was in the hospital, they injected him with the cancer weapon. Then they returned to New Orleans. Two days later, on Aug. 30, they needed to see if the cancer had kicked in, so a special blood test was needed to see if the cancer was active. This was an exotic test at the time, but it was something that Judyth was trained to do at Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo, NY.

On Aug. 31, Lee drove Judyth up to Jackson in an old Kaiser, a car he borrowed from Guy Banister who parked it several blocks from his office and used it for his agents to drop off information and materials without coming to his office. That is the car that the barber saw in front of his barber shop with a woman sitting in the front seat and a baby carriage in the back seat. During the hair cut, the barber gave Lee the name of the state representative in Jackson, Reeves Morgan. Lee then drove to Morgan's house where his daughter Mary also saw the old car with a woman sitting in the front seat.

Garrison's team knew there was a young woman traveling with Oswald in Jackson, and they knew it was not Marina. They said they wanted to find her and to bring her into the court room to ask her questions, but they could not find her. This info is from the transcript of the closing arguments of the Shaw trail.

I, too, went to Jackson twice and spoke to the barber each time. He was Registrar of Voters with an office in Clinton at the time. I found nothing in what he said that contradicted Judyth's story. In fact, he told me that he did see a woman sitting on the front seat of the old car after Oswald left the barber shop, but due to the angle of the parked car, he could not see the driver.

Lee and Judy returned (3.5 hour drive) to New Orleans and Lee dropped her off at 10:00 pm. An hour later, at about 11:00 pm someone broke into Mary Sherman's apartment and stole thousands of dollars worth of equipment. But Mary was not there. She had left that morning for London for a month.

Finally, I know both Jim DiEugenio and Bill Davy and have a great deal of respect for them as researchers, but they have not taken the time to research the details of Judyth's story, as I have. Their expertise lies elsewhere. It is my conclusion that Judyth's story is real. And her experience in Jackson, combined with Dr. Ochsner's reaction to her protest about experimenting on a unwitting patient, is why she dropped out of cancer, and never touched science again after leaving New Orleans.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you listened to a radio interview and jumped to a lot of conclusions about Judyth. I encourage you to read ME & LEE carefully and with an open mind. And until you do, it would be nice if you stopped posting your half-baked criticisms of her.

Ed Haslam
author of DR. MARY'S MONKEY

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[David Josephs]

On Aug. 31, Lee drove Judyth up to Jackson in an old Kaiser, a car he borrowed from Guy Banister who parked it several blocks from his office and used it for his agents to drop off information and materials without coming to his office. That is the car that the barber saw in front of his barber shop with a woman sitting in the front seat and a baby carriage in the back seat. During the hair cut, the barber gave Lee the name of the state representative in Jackson, Reeves Morgan. Lee then drove to Morgan's house where his daughter Mary also saw the old car with a woman sitting in the front seat.

I find it is usually best to go to the original evidence, authenticate it, and then see what it says....

The HSCA deposed Edwin McGehee 1/19/78, owner of the barber shop in question... They say he said:

1. A woman in an old battered car had DRIVEN UP about the same time as Oswald arrived...
   
2. The woman was driving the car
   
3. The woman MAY have been going to the "washeteria" next door
   
4. He did NOT see Oswald gettingout of that car
   
5. He referred Oswald to Morgan
   
6. A big black car pulled away shortly after Oswald left
   

McGehee also testified at the Shaw Trial: He failed to offer corroboration for anything he said since he was alone, he tells us the car passed his shop with only the back end visible yet is able to recount a woman in the front seat (driver or passenger we do not know) and that there was a bassinet in the back seat. We are expected to believe that Lee and Judyth carry a bassinet with them to this car without a child, and drive to Jackson some 120 miles away in a "old car, real old car" that Bannister kept around as a dropbox. He fails to connect Oswald with this vehicle and also fails to mention the BIG BLACK CAR (as was seen driven by Shaw with Ferrie) which pulled away shortly after Oswald left.

Q: Now, at the time that Lee Harvey Oswald was in your barber shop, was anyone present besides yourself?
A: No.

Q: Were you able to see, Mr. McGehee, how Oswald came to the shop, whether he --
A: The door was open and I noticed this car drive up. It passed the door a little ways, not too far, where the back end was just a little past the shop, and I did not see the man get out, and the next thing I noticed, there was nobody on the street hardly, not anybody, as a matter of fact, and this man walked in the shop.
Q: Could you describe the car for us at all?
A: Yes, the car was -- it was an old car, it was battered, it was a dark colored car -- it might have been dark green -- but the make of it I just couldn't remember, it was an old car, real old.
Q: Now, Mr. McGehee, to the best of your recollection and knowledge, was there anyone else in that car?
A: Yes.
Q: Can you describe that person?
A: There was a woman sitting on the front seat -- this is after the man was getting a haircut I glanced at the car -- and in the back seat what I noticed was -- looked like a bassinet.
Q: A baby bassinet?
A: Right.
Q: Now, Mr. McGehee, had Oswald entered the shop before this car pulled up?
A: No, after.
Q: Did you ever see that car leave in front of the shop?
A: It eventually left after he left; I didn't notice if he got in the car, I didn't pay any attention.
Q: Well, approximately how long after he left the shop did the car leave?
A: Right away. I noticed -- I heard it pull off, I didn't pay no attention to it, it was gone



The HSCA also deposed Reeves Morgan after he had testified at the Shaw Trial:

Q: Mr. Morgan, did you get a look at the automobile in which he arrived?
A: No, sir, sure didn't.
Q: You didn't see it at all? A: Didn't see it -- period. I didn't go no further than the door to let him
in when he knocked, and when he left I didn't go any further than the door

How exactly can his daughter see the car and passenger ALSO when in his HSCA deposition he is reported as recalling:
"Unfortunately, Mr. Morgan or his daughter, who was present at the time, did not see the car or possible driver."

He goes on to tell us via the Interview summary that he called the FBI and told them about his encounter. "However, no one came to interview him"

The FBI was only interested in the type of Jacket Oswald was wearing.
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Let's now add the deposition of H.E. Palmer in Clinton who recalls a "late model black cadillac" pull up and drops off a man he learned in late Nov was Lee Oswald.
Mr. Palmer also identifies Clay Shaw as being behind the wheel of said cadillac. And identified a photo of Ferrie as being the other man in the car.

It was Morgan & McGehee who suggests to Oswald that being a registered voter would not hurt his chances of getting hired - Clinton, LA is where he went to register.
The deposition summary of Palmer, Morgan and McGehee connects Oswald to Shaw to the black cadillac to trips to Jackson, then to Clinton and then back to Jackson.

The mystery woman driving the old car with a bassinet in the back has not ever been connected to LEE OSWALD all the while HARVEY is in New Orleans with his wife and child at 4907 Magazine.
Much like Clinton, Shaw parks the cadillac away from Oswald's destination, having him walk the final distance... McGehee basically tells us that Oswald just appears...

He is not asked if he recognizes the "old car" or whether by stating the woman was "in the front seat" if she was driving - he only finally says so in his HSCA deposition.
Judyth does not state she drove this old car...

It appears to those who actually take the time to look at the source documents that Judyth was neither with this man claiming to be LEE OSWALD or with HARVEY, who is married to Marina.
As we've said before, if Judyth was on the inside, and LEE was incriminating HARVEY AND she knows LEE, it could explain why no reports mention her - the man playing the part of LEE was a CIA ghost - which winds up being much more nefarious than we imagined. Reilly Coffee was across the street from where Osborne orders, pays for and picks up 1000 FPCC flyers (Osborne is the name the WCR gives to the man sitting next to Oswald on his trip to Mexico)

What we know for sure is that a man claiming to be LEE OSWALD and a man claiming to be LEE HARVEY OSWALD were both in NOLA in and around 544 Camp, Barrister and his Anti-Commie/Castro cronies... and no one with any authenticity corroborates JVB's story. Connecting unconnected evidence and stretching what the evidence actually says is no way to prove a point.

Copies of the HSCA deposition pages are found on the CD that accompanies Harvey and Lee. Here are a couple referred to above:

[Albert Doyle]

Thanks David.


There's now a dilemma between Haslam saying McGehee and Mary Morgan got a good look at a jalopy with a woman in it and McGehee saying he caught a glimpse of a black car pulling away when Oswald left his barber shop.

The Kaiser automobile was first made in 1945. So, seeing how it could be 18 years old at the most how could it be very old? Maybe it was beat up in New Orleans?

We know FBI tried to intimidate witnesses in Clinton so maybe Morgan's memory is somewhat curtailed? HSCA is surrounded by the murder of witnesses. I would be hesitant to not include that consideration when reading their statements.

This is weird because McGehee's HSCA testimony suggests the woman was in the passenger seat. In the old days the woman was usually the rider and not the driver. If she was behind the wheel I think McGehee would have phrased it that way. He also makes it clear the car left right after Oswald left his shop.

Could it be McGehee told a more evasive tale to Davy because he had been intimidated?

McGehee's Buras interview is in 1978. The Garrison transcript is from 1969.

I'm not taking any side on this. I can see how it could go either way.

[David Josephs]

My pleasure Albert... Always fun to look into something and post the EVIDENCE as opposed to what others tell us the evidence said.

"Haslam saying" should be backed with something to corroborate his "saying" it - no?

It's not that the evidence does not show what was seen, it specifically contradicts Haslam's statement about Morgan's daughter and Morgan himself.

In every aspect of the FBI evidence we find problems... seems to me the same with JVB

[Albert Doyle]

If JVB is sincere then she would have a different agenda than FBI.



Is JVB pointing towards evidence of witness intimidation in this statement? (What would tree climbing have to do with the Clinton/Jackson event???)

Recently I interviewed Mary Morgan, who told me how her brother Van was influenced to say untrue things, such as that at about age 13 he was climbing a tree that in fact was not climbable, and we took photos of the trees there.

Is the remainder of that statement evidence she may have actually been there?

I was able to correctly describe even the freezer that had been on the big porch there long ago, showed her the steps to the house were now longer than the originals, commented that the bushes (very old) in front were not there when i was there, that the house was not dark brown as it is now but was light-colored (it was white, in fact, she said), and described the color of the car when asked, which she agreed was the color; in addition, I described the direction the car was parked, that in fact it was parked parallel to the house, and also that across the street it had not been developed as it currently is. I can see it all before as if yesterday, and as she drove, before we got there told her we would be pulling in to the driveway soon.

To be fair I find it suspicious that JVB went all the way to Jackson to interview Mary Morgan yet failed to get a precise statement from Morgan that she remembered witnessing her in the jalopy. I suppose JVB's claim of car color and parallel parking above is being claimed as that witnessing.



Haslam says Garrison was looking for the unknown woman at the end of his trial. This would counter what DiEugenio says about Garrison dropping this claim:

Garrison's team knew there was a young woman traveling with Oswald in Jackson, and they knew it was not Marina. They said they wanted to find her and to bring her into the court room to ask her questions, but they could not find her. This info is from the transcript of the closing arguments of the Shaw trail.

[David Josephs]

Again my friend, when the FBI does not want to prove something yet wants you to believe it anyway, they pile on mountains of info which has no bearing on authenticity of the evidence questioned.

JVB does not offer authenticated evidence.

I wonder where she says she was when Lee goes to Clinton with Shaw and Ferrie ???

Nope, not really.... She has her story and she's sticking to it... just like Brennan, Officer Baker, Brewer and a whole host of others who believe what they ultimately said, yet offer no authentic evidence to corroborate.

JVB wants us to believe she was with HARVEY at the same time LEE is in Jackson and Harvey is in NOLA...
Did she go see McKeown with Lee as well?

Would have been over the Labor day weekend that year while Harvey was at his aunt Lillian's with his wife and child.

[Albert Doyle]

I don't have depth on those Armstrong references. Sounds like someone needs to talk to Mary Morgan if she's still alive.

[Drew Phipps]

What Garrison argued to the jury in closing might not reflect anything about whether he thought such a thing was worth investigating, or better left to the jury to imagine a meaning.

[Dawn Meredith]

Again my friend, when the FBI does not want to prove something yet wants you to believe it anyway, they pile on mountains of info which has no bearing on authenticity of the evidence questioned.

JVB does not offer authenticated evidence.

I wonder where she says she was when Lee goes to Clinton with Shaw and Ferrie ???

Nope, not really.... She has her story and she's sticking to it... just like Brennan, Officer Baker, Brewer and a whole host of others who believe what they ultimately said, yet offer no authentic evidence to corroborate.

JVB wants us to believe she was with HARVEY at the same time LEE is in Jackson and Harvey is in NOLA...
Did she go see McKeown with Lee as well?

Would have been over the Labor day weekend that year while Harvey was at his aunt Lillian's with his wife and child.

JVB also wants us to believe that there is no separate "Harvey" and "Lee". When John (Armstrong) interviewed her by phone- and this is a memory that goes way back so I will have to talk with him and re-verify exactly but something to the effect that people thought she was Marina. So JA asked her if she was also 8 months pregnant and she hung up. I asked her if she would take a poly that John would pay for and she passed, saying she has been told not to do so.
She is certainly gathering her fan base...and I really see her as all about the fame. Her tale is so full of holes. Beginning- for me- from the first alleged meeting at the Post Office.