The Selectice Service card photo

[Tom Scully]

So neither the Dept. of Def. ID, nor the Selective Service card, appear in the Dallas inventory list? Did this stuff appear in the inventory after it was returned from the FBI to Dallas, or at some point subsequent to that?

I notice that the list you had there is dated 11/26?

Drew, I've studied the chain of custody of Hidell ID allegedly "found on Oswald," at length. For a while, I could find no official reporting of it in the record..... who recovered it, when and where, until Bentley was asked in the course of the WC investigation, in April, 1964, I think it was. I'll come back and fill in the citations.

Update: It was actually not until June 11, 1964, and identified from photos of the evidence, and SA Bookout, who
was not an independent and uninterested party, as far as that particular evidence, "was pulling Bentley's strings".

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j...e_2011.pdf .pdf page 11 :

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/on-thi...ent-436613
Tom Scully April 21, 2014 at 11:15 pm
No member of Dallas DPD filed a timely report describing recovery of a wallet from suspect Oswald's person. Various DPD officers made conflicting statments about recovery of a wallet from Oswald's person. DPD Paul Bentley and an Hidell ID recovered in a wallet alongside Oswald ID from Oswald's person was not recorded until Hill's tetsimony on April 8,1964.
Bentley himself had not mentioned Hidell ID in his TV interview, nor in any filed report. He was not on the record until June 11,1964.:
https://www.google.com/#q=%22june+11%2C+...ley+hidell

FBI Agent Clements filed a report describing Hidell ID he did not link the wallet to a DPD officer.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/clements.htm
Mr. CLEMENTS. "…he was being taken out for a lineup. While he was gone I examined the contents of his wallet which was there on the desk, and identified to me as Oswald's wallet. "
Images of this 23 Nov. FBI report:


In contrast, unimportant billfolds found at the Paine home by DPD were properly numbered and placed on a timely filed evidence list.: CE2003, #114 (brown) and #382 (red). "The" wallet went out of Dallas with with no evidence number in the dead of night (27 Nov.) : (Links to supporting docs, below) :

Some believe the 27 Nov. wallet was secretly sent to the FBI lab in DC days earlier, and then back to Dallas.

Since there is no timely chain of custody related to discovery anywhere of
an Oswald wallet containing dual ID, this Tippit wallet seems a distraction.

FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 14 pg 90
Found in: FBI JFK Assassination File (62-109060)
(fourteen separate items ASAC Kyle G Clark has telephonically advised that the Police Department failed to photograph the contents of the wallet before turning it over to our Dallas Office and requested....

How does a WC apologist explain the contradictions of photos taken by the Dallas police of the arrest wallet in November, 1963, aft er the FBI claimed it did not happen?
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/m...6863/m1/1/ = wallet - image
Dallas (Tex.). Police Dept.. [Items from Wallet, Photograph #4], Photograph, November 1963; ...
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth346763/ = items claimed to have been found in wallet - image

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=82

The attached list is a correct and actual count of the items received from the Dallas office .... this list differs from
and supersedes the inventory list submitted by the Dallas office. The items listed have been checked against
the film submitted by Dallas and against the items themselves since the film was not complete.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=85
...Item #114 Brown billfold with Marine corps group photo.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...PageId=100
...Item #382 Red billfold; one scrap of white paper ....

https://www.google.com/#q=ce2003+billfold
Warren Commission, Volume XIV: CE 2003 - Dallas Police ...
www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/.../WH24_CE_2003.pd...


FBI neither photographed arrest wallet nor listed it in the "revised true and accurate inventory."

Can anyone post the CE # of the arrest wallet?

In the meantime, Bentley's fellow detectives told contradictory accounts of finding Oswald's wallet and what was found to be in it, as you probably know. There has been recent talk about the local TV station video indicating a wallet handled at the Tippit murder scene and Westbrook taking it on over to the Texas Theater and its disappearance after that, along with the descriptions related to that "stuff" by a former FBI agent at the Tippit murder scene, supported by a retired DPD officer.

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_...pter6.html
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One aspect of the Tippit case has fascinated me since it was revealed by FBI agent Jim Hosty in 1996. Hosty revealed that FBI agent Robert Barrett said that a wallet containing identification for Oswald and his purported alias Alek James Hidell was left at the scene of Tippit's shooting and found by police captain W. R. Westbrook near a puddle of blood.

The two sets of identification for Oswald and Hidell being found in one wallet was particularly damaging to Oswald, as Oswald denied during the afternoon of November 22 that he was the owner of the rifle......

Then, Tim Nickerson pointed this "first" out to me, and I dug deeper and found more after that. The chain of custody is a mess.......

Frtiz's notes, (no authoritive determination of legitimacy, AFAIK, described as from an anonymous source after
Fritz's death.)

"B.O." may be SA Bookout.....

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/clements.htm
The testimony of Manning C. Clements was taken at 10:15 a.m., on April 8, 1964,
..............
Mr. STERN. I understand that you participated in an interrogation of Oswald. Would you tell me about that?
Mr. CLEMENTS. Sometime during the evening I did go to the homicide bureau office for some purpose I don't immediately recall, and there I saw one of our other agents, James Bookhout, and I asked him if anyone had, to his knowledge, taken a detailed physical description and detailed background information from Oswald. He told me that such description and background data had not been obtained, and suggested that I do it. I learned from Bookhout, as I recall, that Oswald was, at the time, in a small office, the door of which was closed.
I sought out Captain Fritz, in charge of the-homicide bureau, or one of high ranking officers and asked if there was any objection to my interviewing Oswald in the regard mentioned.
I was told there was no objection. I entered this room and found that Oswald was in the room, and being guarded by two officers who I presumed to be members of the Dallas Police Department, but whom I did not personally know.
Mr. STERN. They were not interrogating him?
Mr. CLEMENTS. No; they were apparently just sitting on guard duty.
Mr. STERN. Then what happened?
Mr. CLEMENTS. I introduced myself to the officers whose names I do not believe that I got, and also introduced myself to Oswald Exhibited my credentials and told him that I would like to obtain from him some physical description, background, biographical data. He was agreeable, and I began my interview with him.
Mr. STERN. Can you approximate the time of day that this occurred--roughly?
Mr. CLEMENTS. I would say the interview began roughly at 10 p.m.
Mr. STERN. How long did it last? And was it interrupted?
Mr. CLEMENTS. I estimate the overall interview was approximately 30 or 35 minutes. I was interrupted twice, perhaps, during the interview, being informed that he was being taken out for a lineup. While he was gone I examined the contents of his wallet which was there on the desk, and identified to me as Oswald's wallet. When he returned I continued the interview.
Mr. STERN. Approximately how long was he gone?
Mr. CLEMENTS. I would estimate 10 or 15 minutes.
Mr. STERN. So, that the total amount of time that you spent with him was something like 20 minutes?
Mr. CLEMENTS. That would be a rough estimate.
Mr. STERN. Did you see him again after that interview?
Mr. CLEMENTS. Yes; I saw him next at a time which I estimate was 11:30 p.m., the 22d. It was at a time when he was being taken to the basement of the city hall to a press conference. I saw him as he was being taken to the third floor from the offices of the homicide bureau, and I went to the basement myself arriving there before he did, and I saw him as he was being brought into the room where the press conference was held, and during the course of the press conference.
Mr. STERN. Did you see him again at any time after that press conference?
Mr. CLEMENTS. No........

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/bookhout.htm
The testimony of James W. Bookhout was taken at 11:15 a.m., on April 8, 1964,

.....Mr. STERN - How long had the interview gone on before you were present?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Very shortly. I would give a rough estimate of not more than 5 to 10 minutes at the most.
Mr. STERN - How long did that first interview last?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - A little under an hour.
Mr. STERN - Was it interrupted at any point, if you remember?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Well, what I am thinking, we have got several interviews here. I know from time to time I can't recall whether it was this interview, or subsequent interviews Captain Fritz would have to leave the office for a second or two. By "office," I mean the immediate office that the interview was being conducted in, but still within the homicide and robbery office.
Mr. STERN - Did the interviewing continue when he was out of the room, or did you wait for his return?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - No; it would continue.
Mr. STERN - By whom was the interview conducted?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Primarily it was conducted by Captain Fritz and then before he would leave from one point to another he would ask if there was anything we wanted to ask him particularly on that point.
Mr. STERN - By "we," you mean Agent Hosty and yourself?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Right.
Mr. STERN - What was Oswald's demeanor in the course of this interview? Did he seem in control of himself, excited, or calm? Can you describe his conduct?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - He was very arrogant and argumentative. That is about the extent of the comment on that.
Mr. STERN - Is this as to you and Hosty, or also Captain Fritz? Did he differentiate in his conduct between Captain Fritz and the two of you?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Now--no; that would apply to everyone present.
Mr. STERN - Did he answer all questions put to him or did he refuse to answer the questions?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - No; there would be certain questions that he refused to comment about.
Mr. STERN - When this happened was the question pressed, or another question asked?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Anyone asking the another question would be asked.
Mr. STERN - What sort of question would he refuse to answer? Was there any pattern to his refusing?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Well, now, I am not certain whether this would apply then to this particular interview, the first interview or not, in answering this, but I recall specifically one of the interviews asking him about the Selective Service card which he had in the name of Hidell, and he admitted that he was carrying the card, but that he would not admit that he wrote the signature of Hidell on the card, and at that point stated that he refused to discuss the matter further. I think generally you might say anytime that you asked a question that would be pertinent to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would refuse to discuss. .......

I find no description of post Texas Theater arrest, wallet recovery with contents descriptions in the written reports of any of the officers accompanying LHO in the car leaving the Theater, or by any other DPD officer, except Fritz, who was reporting second hand accounts in a December report to Curry that was forwarded to Waggoner Carr.
[URL="https://books.google.com/books?id=YXEhAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT84&dq=1:00+am+hosty+signed+for+billfold&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAGoVChMIrMehuIjexgIVy24-Ch3OqA_K#v=onepage&q=1%3A00%20am%20hosty%20signed%20for%20billfold&f=false"]
[/URL]Assignment: Oswald By James P. Hosty, Thomas Hosty




[URL="http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm"]
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm[/URL]
45. Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by J. W. Fritz. Report to Chief Curry listing pieces of evidence, (Original), 12/23/63. 00001512 5 pages 05 (Use of the descriptive nouns, "purse" and "billfold" helped to obscure this.)

page 3 of 5 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/15/1512-003.gif :

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/on-thi...ime-scene/
Who found Oswald's wallet?
Bill Simpich
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For the FBI man, Barrett said the wallet made the case against Oswald a "slam dunk."
Yet the Dallas authorities never wrote a report about any wallet found at the Tippit murder scene. Perhaps that was oversight. Perhaps not.
FBI Man: Dallas cop lied
After 50 years, an FBI agent on the scene believes that the Dallas officer who brought Oswald to the police station is lying about finding the wallet in Oswald's possession.
Barrett attacked Bentley's claim that he found Oswald's wallet for the first time in a WFAA news story last November. "They said they took the wallet out of his pocket in the car? That's so much hogwash. That wallet was in (Captain) Westbrook's hand."
Why did Barrett wait 50 years to accuse Bentley of lying and obstruction of justice?
It was not a fight he cared to pick. Bentley had been Dallas's chief polygraph examiner during 1963. It would have been professionally hazardous for Barrett to challenge Bentley before his death in 2008.
So what does the story of the wallet tell us?
It was not public knowledge that Oswald's wallet was found at the Tippit murder scene until 1996. FBI agent Jim Hosty, who had responsibility for watching Oswald, wrote that a wallet containing identification for both Oswald and "Alek Hidell" was found near a pool of blood. Again, no witness ever saw the wallet on the ground. A second witness, patrolman Leonard Jez, told a conference in 1999 that the wallet was identified at the murder scene as belonging to Oswald.
Rookstool told WFAA that the testimony of Barrett and Croy, Tippit's billfold, and the WFAA film prove that Oswald's wallet was at the scene of the policeman's murder.
Rookstool's finding is contested by researcher Dale Myers. On his website, Myers argues that the wallet seen on the videotape is thinner and has a straight flap rather than the rounded flap of the arrest wallet. Whether Myers's contention is correct or not, Myers has also spent years publicizing Barrett's story that the wallet at the murder scene contained identification for both Lee Harvey Oswald and Alek Hidell.
The best evidence indicates that an unknown person brought Lee Harvey Oswald's wallet to the scene of Tippit's murder.......

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Tom Scully[/URL] May 8, 2014 at 10:31 pm
Again….Jean, as I have asked all who take your position, who of the DPD, FBI, or SS, filed a timely incident report stating what employee of any of those three law enforcement organizations, or any other similiar org., recovered any Hidell ID from a wallet found on Oswald's person. No first person, written report of a discoverer of said ID was filed. Fritz testified he kept no interrogation notes, and the testimony of Harry D Holmes reinforced this. Holmes testified he and Fritz knew better than to keep notes,mindful they would be surrendered to trial defense in discovery. The FBI agent's report you linked to describes the FBI SA simply seeing a wallet on Fritz's desk, prompted by an unidentified DPD officer as to the wallet's contents. Jean, Oswald was killed in DPD custody in their HQ. Are you at all curious as to why the alleged discoverer/recoverer of Hidell ID from a wallet in Oswald's possession on 22 November is not himself on record on this matter until June, 1964? Are you using the same standard of skepticism you might use if your son was accused by unidentified police of possessing an incriminating item not decribed in a timely, or even a late written report filed by the discoverer or anyone in his company at the time of said discovery, and then your son was murdered while in the custody of this LEO in their HQ, less than 48 hours later?
What on earth, given these actual facts, influences you to post in such enthusiastic acceptance of disturbingly compromised LEO procedure and transparency?
Reply

Jean Davison

May 10, 2014 at 12:26 am
Tom,
The FBI agent's report doesn't simply describe the wallet. It says that when Oswald was questioned about the Hidell card he "declined to explain his possession" of it:
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archi...PageId=638
The next pages in that link list the contents of the wallet about a dozen different cards, plus photos. Did Bentley or anyone else go through all this carefully on 11/22 and write it up? Evidently not. But Kelley, Bookhout, and Fritz all reported that Oswald was asked about the Hidell card the following day. E.g., last paragraph here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archi...PageId=651
How do you explain the frame-up crew's actions, planting a card that Oswald could've vehemently denied was his (but didn't, according to the record)?
Do you think that every scrap of evidence against Oswald, every action he took that made him look guilty, can be explained some other way (other than the obvious conclusion that he's guilty)? I'd like to hear that story sometime, showing how the frame-up crew might have done it step by step. Should be a doozy.
You and many others see Oswald as a victim. I see him as the guy who blew Kennedy's brains out....

(It took time (about a year, off and on....) and effort to track all of this down, and it seems it was intended by DPD and FBI, and probably Army Intel, CIA, ONI for it to be an obscure "evidence" chain.)