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Clay Shaw
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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Oh no, it was part of the freeze out that started after Posner's book came out. It was very deliberate on the part of the MSM.

THey were not going to let that happen again.

Jim,

Were you aware, for example, that this is about Lemann's nephew?:

Quote:https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=ssl&ei=ND...s&filter=0
THE SECOND BIGGEST LIE

by Michael Morrissey
.......
On the last page of a seven-page article in GQ (Jan. 1992, p. 75), Nicholas
Lemann finally confronts Garrison's and Stone's main thesis by referring not to
the documents but to a 1964 interview with Robert Kennedy.
See: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?...2&tab=page
This is apparently the same 1964 interview cited by Herbert Parmet (discussed above).
I have not been able to consult the original material, which is part of an oral history
collection at the JFK Library in Boston, but it is interesting that Lehmann cuts
off the quotation at a strategic point.

Interviewer: Did the president feel that we would have to go into Vietnam in a
big way?

RFK: We certainly considered what would be the result if you abandon Vietnam,
even Southeast Asia, and whether it was worthwhile trying to keep and hold on
to.

Interviewer: What did he say? What did he think?

RFK: He reached the conclusion that probably it was worthwhile...

This has to be a deliberate misrepresentation. The ellipsis conceals what we
know from Parmet's citation:

"As Bobby Kennedy later said, his brother had reached the point where he felt
that South Vietnam was worth keeping for psychological and political reasons
'more than anything else.'" (Parmet, p. 336).

Piecing these two parts of RFK's remark together, the complete sentence would
seem to have been:

"He reached the conclusion that probably it was worthwhile for psychological and
political reasons more than anything else."

As I have already mentioned, "it was worthwhile" in this context more likely
meant "it was not worthwhile" (psychological and political reasons hardly
justifying a war), especially since we know, just as Robert knew, that President
Kennedy had decided to terminate US military participation by the end of 1965....

This plays to one of my gravest concerns.... are we really this screwed?
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Lemann
Nicholas Berthelot Lemann is the Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor of Journalism and Dean Emeritus of the Faculty of Journalism at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.[1] He has been a staff writer at The New Yorker since 1999.[2] ....

If the answer is yes, they really were excellent at what they do, and probably could have prevented the assassination
of JFK and the 9/11 treatment if they preserved that sort of talent in the ensuing years. How could Tass and Pravda have been a worse alternative? Upton Sinclair nailed it in The Brass Check.
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.
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Clay Shaw - by Bernice Moore - 28-09-2009, 07:18 AM
Clay Shaw - by Peter Lemkin - 04-02-2011, 09:20 PM
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