30-01-2012, 05:46 AM
Seamus,
Still trying to take in all of your extremely lengthy reply to me. I'm not sure I warrant quite that amount of attention....
First, I am not a "fan boy" of Alex Jones, Fetzer or Icke. The only knowledge I have of Icke is through his numerous appearances on Alex Jones' show- I do go through Jones' You Tube channel a few times a week and watch programs that interest me. You appear to have brought up some page-which I wasn't aware existed-that lists all of my Facebook groups. I generally accept any request for friendship or any request that asks me to "like" someone's page there. I didn't realize I ever "liked" Icke's page, but I must have some time in the past. If that discredits me more than someone like you, publicly challenging others to fisticuffs, well so be it.
You seem to share David Lifton's view that the JFK research community must root out all those who are too "extreme" in their beliefs, or in this case, those who have any interest in figures like Jones or Icke, whom you have deemed too "extreme" for polite company. As I've told Lifton several times on the Ed Forum and in emails, the mainstream media isn't going to like CTers no matter how presentable you try to make them. The mainstream media IS the enemy, because they misrepresent the truth about significant national and world events every day. What's ironic in Lifton's case, of course, is that his own body alteration theory was about as extreme as it gets in CT circles. You have a tendency to sound a lot like an esablishment journalist, in your willingness to ridicule ufo believers and the like. I've been researching UFOs and other unexplained phenomena for as long I've been studying the JFK assassination. There is a real phenomenon there, and those who have an interest in those subjects aren't automatically "kooks" or "wackos."
I've never written anything critical about your reviews on CTKA. You have a right to your views, and sometimes I agree with them. If I thought you were being unfairly attacked, I'd defend you, too. No matter how far out you think Alex Jones, David Icke or anyone else is, they are a lot closer to representing the truth than CNN, Fox News, or any other mainstream news source. Certainly, you should point out their mistakes, but I don't see how it assists research into the JFK assassination by cackling at David Icke's admittedly "far out" reptilian beliefs. NBC and CBS would laugh at him for postulating any conspiracy views, even if he had never mentioned the reptilian stuff. As for Alex Jones, I stand by what I've said before- he is a great weapon in the battle vs. those who misrule us. The same goes for Ventura- what other television show even broaches the subjects that he does, without instantly ridiculing them? Jones draws more people to researching the JFK assassination, 911 and other important issues than anyone else in America today. I don't think it's productive to bash him because he isn't an expert on all the minutiae. Bash Icke all you want- he's an easy target because of his reptilian stuff, but I'm certainly not a "fan" of his and it's not honest to link him with me simply because I "liked" his Facebook page. If you had a Facebook page and asked me to like it, I'd do it, too. I try to support people, and Facebook is as much a giant support network as it as a social network.
I also never said you were trying to make a name for yourself in writing for CTKA. Again, write what you want, believe what you want, but don't expect unanimity from others about what you write and what you believe. I simply said Hankey had been one of the few people on the internet who researched the JFK, Jr. death, and I credit him for that. I didn't disagree with anything else you wrote. You paint with a very broad brush, and your attempts to link people together in a six degrees of seperation kind of way (as you did here with my "connection" to Icke) smacks of McCarthyism. What connection, for instance, do I have to Ralph Cinque? I know nothing of him, have never communicated with him, and only went to his defense on a thread here because I thought he was being attacked unfairly. Also, because I happen to believe the figure in the doorway is probably Oswald, although my views weren't influenced by Cinque whatsoever.
You continue to maintain this rigid belief in your own interpretation of the figure in the doorway, when strong doubts remain that is it Lovelady. Ironically, this is just the kind of rigidity that Jim Fetzer displays in his posts, which he has been soundly taken to task for, and soundly ridiculed by people, including you. Pot, meet kettle. But while Jim is blustery and impatient in doling out barbs to others, you are nastier and more aggressive about it. Still, I promise to defend you, too, if others ever tire of your behavior and call you out on it with the kind of mob mentality that has transpired here against Cinque and Fetzer.
Still trying to take in all of your extremely lengthy reply to me. I'm not sure I warrant quite that amount of attention....
First, I am not a "fan boy" of Alex Jones, Fetzer or Icke. The only knowledge I have of Icke is through his numerous appearances on Alex Jones' show- I do go through Jones' You Tube channel a few times a week and watch programs that interest me. You appear to have brought up some page-which I wasn't aware existed-that lists all of my Facebook groups. I generally accept any request for friendship or any request that asks me to "like" someone's page there. I didn't realize I ever "liked" Icke's page, but I must have some time in the past. If that discredits me more than someone like you, publicly challenging others to fisticuffs, well so be it.
You seem to share David Lifton's view that the JFK research community must root out all those who are too "extreme" in their beliefs, or in this case, those who have any interest in figures like Jones or Icke, whom you have deemed too "extreme" for polite company. As I've told Lifton several times on the Ed Forum and in emails, the mainstream media isn't going to like CTers no matter how presentable you try to make them. The mainstream media IS the enemy, because they misrepresent the truth about significant national and world events every day. What's ironic in Lifton's case, of course, is that his own body alteration theory was about as extreme as it gets in CT circles. You have a tendency to sound a lot like an esablishment journalist, in your willingness to ridicule ufo believers and the like. I've been researching UFOs and other unexplained phenomena for as long I've been studying the JFK assassination. There is a real phenomenon there, and those who have an interest in those subjects aren't automatically "kooks" or "wackos."
I've never written anything critical about your reviews on CTKA. You have a right to your views, and sometimes I agree with them. If I thought you were being unfairly attacked, I'd defend you, too. No matter how far out you think Alex Jones, David Icke or anyone else is, they are a lot closer to representing the truth than CNN, Fox News, or any other mainstream news source. Certainly, you should point out their mistakes, but I don't see how it assists research into the JFK assassination by cackling at David Icke's admittedly "far out" reptilian beliefs. NBC and CBS would laugh at him for postulating any conspiracy views, even if he had never mentioned the reptilian stuff. As for Alex Jones, I stand by what I've said before- he is a great weapon in the battle vs. those who misrule us. The same goes for Ventura- what other television show even broaches the subjects that he does, without instantly ridiculing them? Jones draws more people to researching the JFK assassination, 911 and other important issues than anyone else in America today. I don't think it's productive to bash him because he isn't an expert on all the minutiae. Bash Icke all you want- he's an easy target because of his reptilian stuff, but I'm certainly not a "fan" of his and it's not honest to link him with me simply because I "liked" his Facebook page. If you had a Facebook page and asked me to like it, I'd do it, too. I try to support people, and Facebook is as much a giant support network as it as a social network.
I also never said you were trying to make a name for yourself in writing for CTKA. Again, write what you want, believe what you want, but don't expect unanimity from others about what you write and what you believe. I simply said Hankey had been one of the few people on the internet who researched the JFK, Jr. death, and I credit him for that. I didn't disagree with anything else you wrote. You paint with a very broad brush, and your attempts to link people together in a six degrees of seperation kind of way (as you did here with my "connection" to Icke) smacks of McCarthyism. What connection, for instance, do I have to Ralph Cinque? I know nothing of him, have never communicated with him, and only went to his defense on a thread here because I thought he was being attacked unfairly. Also, because I happen to believe the figure in the doorway is probably Oswald, although my views weren't influenced by Cinque whatsoever.
You continue to maintain this rigid belief in your own interpretation of the figure in the doorway, when strong doubts remain that is it Lovelady. Ironically, this is just the kind of rigidity that Jim Fetzer displays in his posts, which he has been soundly taken to task for, and soundly ridiculed by people, including you. Pot, meet kettle. But while Jim is blustery and impatient in doling out barbs to others, you are nastier and more aggressive about it. Still, I promise to defend you, too, if others ever tire of your behavior and call you out on it with the kind of mob mentality that has transpired here against Cinque and Fetzer.