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At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds
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John Bevilaqua Wrote:Regardless of Bush's attitude about the JBS, he would have had to turn in that guy from Houston, IMHO. Bush was not morally conflicted, in a quandary or predisposed to turn in that guy at all. He just did it like any citizen would have.

At best Bush didn't let the JFK conspiracy get in his way of turning in a bircher, or didn't let his hatred of birchers cloud his operational judgment.

Quote:Even Jack Ruby in his W.C. testimony fingered Edwin A. Walker; Dick Russell's informant fingered Charles Willoughby; and both Mae Brussel, Bill Turner and others put Robert J. Morris and Willoughby at the top of the heap of the entire conspiracy. And Richard Condon fingered them all including Dr. Revilo P. Oliver whose brother Clarence (?) Oliver lived in Dallas as well. So I am going with the independently offered, mutually corroborating testimony of 5 of the people best positioned to know much more than I about the masterminds: Jack Ruby, Dick Russell, Bill Turner, Mae Brussel and Richard Condon, thank you very much.

As you like. Walker and Willoughby sound possible.


Quote:Oh, it existed alright, as did Unit 731 in the same general area but neither one was fully discovered or thoroughly documented until the 1970's or even the 1980's perhaps.

In the book Russian Fascists? Is there an online or pirate ebook available? I'm not buying it literally, but might buy it in the abstract sense, don't know enough yet.

Quote:Schiff became persona non grata very quickly for each and every one of his military operations financing deals in fact. More later on Schiff.

Non grata in Britain? Who made him so?

Quote:...And Vonsiatsky published typical visual caricatures of Jewish money lenders in "The Fashist" through the 1940's. Even though I did not translate the articles, the pictures were obvious. He and his friend Boris Brasol had the Protocols translated and distributed....

Pictures say a lot really. It might be interesting that the Japanese translation of Mein Kampf edited out a lot of Hitler's white supremacist statements; there was an edition for popular consumption and there was the real translation kept in a giftschrenk or whatever.

Quote:Coudert Brothers also ran the 1965 Mayoralty Campaign for Billy Buckley, Jr. which is just a major revelation, IMHO.

Birds of an anti-Communist feather, certainly...

Quote:Were these Jews nothing more than Red or White or Black Russians escaping persecution in Russia or something else? Remember White Russians begging and dealing and desperate for a friendly power base during their diaspora could not be choosers. You can almost always pick your friends, but sometimes you can not pick your neighbors, IMHO especially during a fire sale evacuation.

Quite right, and very good question. Most were in the same boat as the pro-Tsarists, fleeing the Bolsheviks from Russia. There was an ancient Jewish presence in China, but not in Manchuria as far as I know. I looked in the Encyclopedia Judaica which is usually very good about ancient Jewish communities in unexpected places, and all it said was this:

Quote:MANCHURIA N.E. region of China, adjacent to the Soviet Union. After the Russian Revolution of 1917 many refugees sought shelter in Manchuria, including some 5,000 Jews. Most of them gravitated to *Harbin, but small groups settled in Dai- Dairen, Mukden, and other cities. Those Jews who were not employed by the Chinese Eastern Railway worked as educators, were employed physicians, or merchants. The Japanese occupied Manchuria (1931–45); as Axis partners during World War II they accepted the antisemitic policy of their Nazi ally and their treatment of the Jews was oppressive. After the Japanese defeat in 1945, civil war broke out in Manchuria between the Chinese Nationalists and the Communists. Those Russian Jews who did not succeed in escaping before the Communist takeover eventually returned to the Soviet Union. Bibliography: H. Dicker, Wanderers and Settlers in the Far East (1962), 17–60. [Rudolf Loewenthal]

This isn't the whole story of course. The Jews in Manchuria were eventually all sent to Shanghai, the ones who didn't get to Kobe, Japan. There was a special "ghetto" set up in Shanghai, separate (but equal?) from the the one for European POWs made famous in J. G. Ballard's Empire of the Sun autobiography. Chiune Sugihara was Japanese military intelligence, veteran of the Siberian/Manchurian expeditions, and ended up in Kaunas/Kovno Lithuania after having his cover blown a few times, as Japanese ForMin consul. He issued thousands of Japanese transit visas to Jews, whose final destination was supposed to be Curacao in the West Indies. His reasons for doing so are simple, but to explain it would take a dissertation on Japanese military non-compliance and the Imeprial Japanese understanding of blitzkrieg. To make a long story more interesting, even after he left Kaunas the visa-making went on using official Japanese embassy stamps and forms, and as Philip K. Dick and/or Czeslaw Milosz heard it in Berkeley, the Japanese border guards at Vladivosotok were astounded by the sudden number of entrants named Rabbi Silverstein. "Maybe it's a common name, like Smith?" Dick of course appropriated the apocryphal tale for his Hugo-winning Man in the High Castle, with Tagomi cast as Sugihara, whose name Dick couldn't know then. The Japanese moved the Manchurian Jews who hadn't left already to Shanghai, but didn't heed their allies' calls to murder them.

Quote:My guess is that the Czar's Gold ended up mostly in Harbin and the rent charged by the Japanese (including all the Borscht and Caviar)...

I imagine the most gold was spent not on rent but bribing the right people to get the hell out of there as the Russian and Chinese Communist regimes closed in on a refugee community of real and self-proclaimed aristocrats bearing trunks and chests of diamonds, silver and gold and so on.

Quote:The Whites even had to listen to the victims of the ongoing vivisection operations, screaming long into the night and hear about the results of the nascent MK/ULTRA termination with prejudice experiments also ongoing there.

Source please. "Russian Fascists"?

Quote:The Japanese had to burn the human detritus in open air ovens to kill the anthrax, the botulism and the cholera. It was a mini-Dachau and Auschwitz all rolled into one. And there actually were mini-outbreaks of cholera, diphtheria, and anthrax epidemics too.

Did they release plague in Nanking too?

Quote:Besides the Czar's Gold as tribute and rent, Vonsiatsky and Company organized the training of the Kamikaze Pilots near the end of the war ...

Training? End of the war? What training? How to more effectively crash into a battleship?

Quote:Odd, fer shure. Convenient, fer shure. Again, you just can't always choose your neighbors. When the Whites moved in the Jews must have said: "Oi vey! There goes the neighborhood! Again!" <grin> Desperate, wandering White Russian beggars with Rooskies hot on their tails just can not be choosers. Shute, there goes The Teenage Fascist in me again.

Sounds like they travelled together, no pun.

Quote:Did you know that de Mohrenschildt worked as a petroleum geologist for the Nobel Prize family somewhere near the Black Sea as I recall? Well he did. Ennobled by the Nobels from Sweden? Has a nice ring to it.

Branobel, you wrote elsewhere, in Baku. Wrong time period. Mohrenschildt studied petroleum geology in America long after the Russian Revolution, but anything's possible.

Quote:And they probably have a much clearer conception of Jay-Lo's bubbles too. [LOL] No offense intended and none taken I would hope. I just have a sick sense of humor as if you haven't figured that out yet. Here are Jay-Lo's bubbles... :bootyshake:

No offense taken, smirks were had.

Quote:Nothing wrong with that when you are a patrol boy or a boy scout, or a gymnast or in a dance recital but grown men dressed up as Little Lord Fauntleroys wearing both funny hats with feathered boas, emblazoned sashes and extended length shiny sabers as symbols is just a bit much for me, thank you very much. Reminded me of The Village People to an extent. Singing together in a chorus line while spelling out: S-K-O-M with their arms to the tune of Y-M-C-A. Hmmmmm? Can you picture that? S-K-O-M S-K-O-M S-K-O-M S-K-O-M S-K-O-M S-K-O-M

In hoc agricola sim spittle honk ad nauseam cornucopia dum cluck itch, and the villagers are revolting!

Sincerely yours,

HR/NOP
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At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - by Helen Reyes - 13-12-2009, 06:12 PM

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