14-12-2009, 10:26 PM
Jan: on False Memory Syndrome: the Thurston County, Washington stuff that gave rise to the Satanic Panic, satanic ritual abuse hysteria, and the backlash to that in the form of the false memory movement, centered around a very cult-like Church of Living Water. Church members were instructed and helped by their pastor to "beat the demons out" of misbehaving children. It wasn't a few whacks with a willow sprig either, it left permanent scarring on their backs. What I'm suggesting is that the Satanic Panic and its flipside in False Memory could've been engineered as a partial cover for emerging MKULTRA secrets.
David: I hope we can all be civil as well, and I hope I didn't come across as sarcastic at any point except Pennsylvania Dutch Waffen SS, which was meant as a joke. I said "blackamoor" for historical reasons only. Everything else was sincere.
Peter and Magda: Some archives were opened, some were not. Yeltsin initially threw too much open to the Americans and quickly shut those archives off again. Russian State Archives selling stuff sounds plausible and likely. If the Harbin MKULTRA center is being suppressed, you have to ask, what is Russia's interest to do so? I see none. It doesn't touch on Russian/Soviet prestige at all, if it existed then it was run by traitorous Russians and their Japanese masters. It's not explosive, like Stalin working for the Tsar's Okhrana. It is dirty enough that Russia wouldn't have let it be carted off by Americans. Speculation, but then I see no evidence such a Harbin mind control enterprise ever operated. GRU files would have info on it, imo.
John: I think no one is quite certain about the provenance of the Protocols. It first appears in history in Peterburg, if I recall right. There was some reason to believe it was a translation, but whether from French, I don't know and I don't think anyone does. Russia was very francophile in those days among the upper classes, and there is evidence of a partially fake Priory of Sion in France, in its later incarnation very much a part of the extreme French right wing's lexicon of intrigue. The Dreyfuss Affair is a nice fit, it's aesthetically pleasing. Importing that sort of divisiveness, and France was totally divided over Dreyfuss, might have been the desire of forces close to the Tsar, pursuing an anti-Semitic agenda in the Russian military and government, or purely for personal reasons.
I'm positive some scholars have done work on the origins of the Protocols, but I'm not familiar with their work. The disinformative but interesting Holy Blood, Holy Grail does connect them with the French Priory, and contends the contents were misinterpreted in Russia, that this was a plan for world domination by a secret French society a la the Templars, militant Cathars or disenfranchised Knights of some kind in Languedoc. David and Jan I hope will correct me if I misstated what Holy Blood claimed.
David: I hope we can all be civil as well, and I hope I didn't come across as sarcastic at any point except Pennsylvania Dutch Waffen SS, which was meant as a joke. I said "blackamoor" for historical reasons only. Everything else was sincere.
Peter and Magda: Some archives were opened, some were not. Yeltsin initially threw too much open to the Americans and quickly shut those archives off again. Russian State Archives selling stuff sounds plausible and likely. If the Harbin MKULTRA center is being suppressed, you have to ask, what is Russia's interest to do so? I see none. It doesn't touch on Russian/Soviet prestige at all, if it existed then it was run by traitorous Russians and their Japanese masters. It's not explosive, like Stalin working for the Tsar's Okhrana. It is dirty enough that Russia wouldn't have let it be carted off by Americans. Speculation, but then I see no evidence such a Harbin mind control enterprise ever operated. GRU files would have info on it, imo.
John: I think no one is quite certain about the provenance of the Protocols. It first appears in history in Peterburg, if I recall right. There was some reason to believe it was a translation, but whether from French, I don't know and I don't think anyone does. Russia was very francophile in those days among the upper classes, and there is evidence of a partially fake Priory of Sion in France, in its later incarnation very much a part of the extreme French right wing's lexicon of intrigue. The Dreyfuss Affair is a nice fit, it's aesthetically pleasing. Importing that sort of divisiveness, and France was totally divided over Dreyfuss, might have been the desire of forces close to the Tsar, pursuing an anti-Semitic agenda in the Russian military and government, or purely for personal reasons.
I'm positive some scholars have done work on the origins of the Protocols, but I'm not familiar with their work. The disinformative but interesting Holy Blood, Holy Grail does connect them with the French Priory, and contends the contents were misinterpreted in Russia, that this was a plan for world domination by a secret French society a la the Templars, militant Cathars or disenfranchised Knights of some kind in Languedoc. David and Jan I hope will correct me if I misstated what Holy Blood claimed.