28-06-2011, 10:57 PM
(This post was last modified: 29-06-2011, 08:34 PM by James H. Fetzer.)
Charles,
Greetings, my friend! I (almost) always appreciate your posts. A member of Scholars some time back did a study of the 19 who allegedly made phone calls from the planes. He discovered that only one of their names appeared on the Social Security Death Index and none of their survivors had received money from the survivors fund: NONE. That sounds (almost) unAmerican to turn down free bucks!
Elias Davidsson has shown the government has never proven any of the hijackers were aboard any of those planes. John Lear has observed that pilots must submit an "envelope" of flight data and passenger lists (or at least numbers aboard) before a commercial carrier can pull away from a terminal. None has even been presented. Col. George Nelson, USAF (ret.), has observed that, of the millions of uniquely indentifiable components parts, the government has yet to produce even one.
David Ray Griffin has shown that all of those phone calls--including those alleged to have been made by Barbara Olson to her husband Ten--were faked. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, although one appears to have flown over it. There are no indications of a Boeing 757 having crashed at Shanksville--none! Even the hit on the North Tower by Flight 11 appears to have been staged, as Leslie Raphael has explained.
Indeed, I have FAA Registration data showing that the planes used for AA #11 and for AA #77 were not deregistered until 01/14/2002 and that those used for United #175 and United #93 were not deregistered until 09/28/2005. That's a long time to be still in operation for planes that were supposed to have been destroyed on 9/11. And of course a half-dozen of the alleged terrorists survived 9/11 and were in contact with family and others.
Moreover, I have print outs of CNN's casualty lists, which show no names of any Arab persons much less any Islamic terrorists. When I have pointed this out, the response (from government apologists) has been that those were VICTIMS lists, but how could anyone have known who was and was not a TERRORIST at that point in time. This is a nice papering over of important evidence.
The stand-down of the US Air Force on 9/11--where Webster Tarpley has listed seventeen (17) anti-terror drills that took our planes out of action for response--appears to have been intended to either preclude an interception or, even more plausibly, to prevent the discovery that these were "phantom flights". Read "More Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11" and tell me if you can figure out a more adequate explanation.
Jim
ON PLANES OR NO PLANES:
Elias Davidsson, "There is no evidence that Muslims committed the crime of 9/11"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/There-i...1-366.html
David Ray Griffin, "Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...&aid=16924
Leslie Raphael, "Jules Naudet's 9/11 Film was Staged"
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm
"New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-Pro...9-132.html
"What Didn't Happen at the Pentagon"
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/01/...tagon.html
"Pandora's Black Box, Chapter 2"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...196607580#
Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American77
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimi...7-FDR.html
Killtown on Shanksville,
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/10/gue...r-mon.html
Greetings, my friend! I (almost) always appreciate your posts. A member of Scholars some time back did a study of the 19 who allegedly made phone calls from the planes. He discovered that only one of their names appeared on the Social Security Death Index and none of their survivors had received money from the survivors fund: NONE. That sounds (almost) unAmerican to turn down free bucks!
Elias Davidsson has shown the government has never proven any of the hijackers were aboard any of those planes. John Lear has observed that pilots must submit an "envelope" of flight data and passenger lists (or at least numbers aboard) before a commercial carrier can pull away from a terminal. None has even been presented. Col. George Nelson, USAF (ret.), has observed that, of the millions of uniquely indentifiable components parts, the government has yet to produce even one.
David Ray Griffin has shown that all of those phone calls--including those alleged to have been made by Barbara Olson to her husband Ten--were faked. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, although one appears to have flown over it. There are no indications of a Boeing 757 having crashed at Shanksville--none! Even the hit on the North Tower by Flight 11 appears to have been staged, as Leslie Raphael has explained.
Indeed, I have FAA Registration data showing that the planes used for AA #11 and for AA #77 were not deregistered until 01/14/2002 and that those used for United #175 and United #93 were not deregistered until 09/28/2005. That's a long time to be still in operation for planes that were supposed to have been destroyed on 9/11. And of course a half-dozen of the alleged terrorists survived 9/11 and were in contact with family and others.
Moreover, I have print outs of CNN's casualty lists, which show no names of any Arab persons much less any Islamic terrorists. When I have pointed this out, the response (from government apologists) has been that those were VICTIMS lists, but how could anyone have known who was and was not a TERRORIST at that point in time. This is a nice papering over of important evidence.
The stand-down of the US Air Force on 9/11--where Webster Tarpley has listed seventeen (17) anti-terror drills that took our planes out of action for response--appears to have been intended to either preclude an interception or, even more plausibly, to prevent the discovery that these were "phantom flights". Read "More Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11" and tell me if you can figure out a more adequate explanation.
Jim
ON PLANES OR NO PLANES:
Elias Davidsson, "There is no evidence that Muslims committed the crime of 9/11"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/There-i...1-366.html
David Ray Griffin, "Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...&aid=16924
Leslie Raphael, "Jules Naudet's 9/11 Film was Staged"
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm
"New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-Pro...9-132.html
"What Didn't Happen at the Pentagon"
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/01/...tagon.html
"Pandora's Black Box, Chapter 2"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...196607580#
Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American77
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimi...7-FDR.html
Killtown on Shanksville,
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2010/10/gue...r-mon.html
Charles Drago Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE?
This is seemingly a huge problem with the whole "no plane" theory. Real people died on 9/11. There is no denying that. However, the passenger lists are actually supportive pieces of evidence to the idea of "no planes." The 4 planes all had low loads -- less than 200 people total were onboard, including the crew. It turns out that many of the names were employees of Boeing and other military contractors or were in the military itself. The government set up a compensation fund for families of the victims of 9/11. Each family would receive $2 million compensation. Only a small percentage of the families entitled to money came forward to collect! For one plane of 40 victims, only 6 families tried to claim the $2 million! Moreover, six of the alleged hijackers were seen after 9/11. One of them spoke in length with his father the next day. Another hijacker was interviewed on the BBC on 9/12! One must ask, "How can a pilot fly a plane into a building and do an interview on the BBC the next day?!"
Passenger lists
So what happened to the people? It would be fairly simple for CIA operatives or black ops NSA security to pick up the crews and the few actual passengers from the planes.
Hi Jim,
Good to see you hereabouts again. Hope all is quite well with you and yours, my friend.
The whole People Problem disturbs me greatly. I'm in a bit of a time crunch, so let me get to what for me is the nitty-gritty:
1. Have the passenger manifests been published?
2. If so, have all names been verified as those of living people on 9/11/01?
3. If so, have efforts been made to determine the true status of each? Dead? If so, when and how? Alive? If so, where? Would not one living "victim" blow the op?
4. Have all the victims' families been interviewed?
For starters?
These surely are imposing tasks, and I do not criticize anyone for not having accomplished them. But the People Problem seems to be a make-or-break point of the hologram hypothesis.
I'll close with this wholly unsupported speculation regarding the Pentagon and Pennsylvania ... how shall I refer to them? ... projectiles:
Might one or both -- regardless of whatever they were -- been taken down by a still-secret weapon that could have reduced them to tiny particles?
Or should I just beam the hell out of here?
Best,
Charles