29-06-2011, 08:30 PM
Charles,
When you consider the evidence I have outlined in post #17, there appear to be excellent reasons for concluding that these have to have been phantom flights. I therefore agree with Barry in his observations about what happened to the people:
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE?
This is seemingly a huge problem with the whole "no plane" theory. Real people died on 9/11. There is no denying that. However, the passenger lists are actually supportive pieces of evidence to the idea of "no planes." The 4 planes all had low loads -- less than 200 people total were onboard, including the crew. It turns out that many of the names were employees of Boeing and other military contractors or were in the military itself. The government set up a compensation fund for families of the victims of 9/11. Each family would receive $2 million compensation. Only a small percentage of the families entitled to money came forward to collect! For one plane of 40 victims, only 6 families tried to claim the $2 million! Moreover, six of the alleged hijackers were seen after 9/11. One of them spoke in length with his father the next day. Another hijacker was interviewed on the BBC on 9/12! One must ask, "How can a pilot fly a plane into a building and do an interview on the BBC the next day?!"
While I do not agree with every point he makes in his blog, I think he is right on this one. If anyone else has an alternative explanation, which can accommodate all of the available evidence in a more elegant fashion, then I hope they will advance it.
Jim
When you consider the evidence I have outlined in post #17, there appear to be excellent reasons for concluding that these have to have been phantom flights. I therefore agree with Barry in his observations about what happened to the people:
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE?
This is seemingly a huge problem with the whole "no plane" theory. Real people died on 9/11. There is no denying that. However, the passenger lists are actually supportive pieces of evidence to the idea of "no planes." The 4 planes all had low loads -- less than 200 people total were onboard, including the crew. It turns out that many of the names were employees of Boeing and other military contractors or were in the military itself. The government set up a compensation fund for families of the victims of 9/11. Each family would receive $2 million compensation. Only a small percentage of the families entitled to money came forward to collect! For one plane of 40 victims, only 6 families tried to claim the $2 million! Moreover, six of the alleged hijackers were seen after 9/11. One of them spoke in length with his father the next day. Another hijacker was interviewed on the BBC on 9/12! One must ask, "How can a pilot fly a plane into a building and do an interview on the BBC the next day?!"
While I do not agree with every point he makes in his blog, I think he is right on this one. If anyone else has an alternative explanation, which can accommodate all of the available evidence in a more elegant fashion, then I hope they will advance it.
Jim
Charles Drago Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:Charles,
Greetings, my friend! I (almost) always appreciate your posts. A member of Scholars some time back did a study of the 19 who allegedly made phone calls from the planes. He discovered that only one of their names appeared on the Social Security Death Index and none of their survivors had received money from the survivors fund: NONE. That sounds (almost) unAmerican to turn down free bucks! [emphasis added]
Jim,
Know that I'm 100% with you in terms of the 9-11 attacks being deep political events staged in support of multiple, despicable objectives.
Further, we agree that WTC 1, 2, and 7 were brought down not by the impacts of aircraft or debris, but rather via a form or forms of controlled demolition, and that a jetliner did not hit the Pentagon, and that the Pennsylvania crash -- or better, event -- did not take place as officially advertised.
There are many additional points of agreement, but I think you catch my drift.
In re the People Problem, I'd draw your attention to the above-quoted line in italics.
My question: If some of the alleged innocent victims of the staged attack did indeed perish -- or at least disappear -- on 9-11-01, then how were they killed and/or disappeared?
My question can be answered only with a hypothesis. Which is fine. But if you're positing the existence of kidnap/execution teams, I think you're adding layers of complexity that in the agregate topple the hypothesis.
For the record, please know that I understand that intelligence operations are designed to defeat and be supported by flawed shavings by Occam's Razor.
And if I accept the evidence which you present to prove that airliners such as those purported to have struck WTC 1 and 2 simply could not have done so in the manners indicated, then I will be lead inexorably to alternative explanations, including the hologram hypothesis.
If anyone can find fault with Jim's benchwork in terms of flight speeds, impact characteristics, etc., please come forward and do so in a manner that is informed by science and intellectual rigor but absent ad hominem attacks.