04-04-2013, 12:25 PM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:I haven't got my copy handy but didn't James Douglass also talk about a plane at Red Bird in his JFKU? Some thing to do with an Oswald connection? And it had a hitch hicker on it?
You're a bit mistaken, in JFKU there is a plane of the same type described to have been at Red Bird, but it lands on the banks of the river [!] on the dirt/cement bank some way [few miles/km?] North of the Plaza and picks up a LHO look-alike. As some here might know, I worked with Tosh Plumlee on his life's story for many years and he claimed that after offloading some men and a large wooden crate [which had been onloaded at a stop in New Orleans] at Garland airport in the early hours of 11.22.63, he flew on to and parked his plane at Red Bird - from which he went to a safehouse and then to the Plaza [later after the assassination, first to the Sportatorium, then back to the safehouse and finally back to Red Bird]. Long before Wayne January chose to speak [through researcher Matt Smith - not to be disclosed until after his death], I had been given his name by Plumlee and Jim Marrs and I tried to locate him. I did eventually locate him, but he didn't want to talk to me nor Marrs; also all records of flights in/out of Red Bird on or near the time of the events of Dallas were no longer available - or it seemed they had been removed. We now know why January feared talking. Plumlee's story in many ways dovetails with that told by January and in some other ways does not. I have asked Plumlee many times to attempt to reconcile the differences and he has declined to do so. It is quite a mystery how he'd know about January and some of the events going on at that airport that day if he was either not there or had not had them told to him by someone who had been. There is much more to this, and i plan to write it up at some point. Hancock's story is good, but it is missing the Plumlee piece of the Red Bird puzzle and the parallel [?] Douglass piece to the planes exfiltrating operatives that day, IMHO. Another airport likely used that day was another small commercial airport to the North called Garland. So between the January, Plumlee and version in Douglass' book there are three variants of a plane[s] taking away persons 'knowledgeable' of the events, and perhaps a LHO double. Two have to be incorrect or all three - perhaps with each containing truthful elements. The fact there are multiple stories of the 'same sort of event' is typical of Dallas 11/22/63 and is likely a result of, in part, the cover-up...as three mutually exclusive [in some aspects] events [with some parts precisely the same or very similar] can't all have occurred that day. I'm personally inclined at this time to think that the January version most likely contains more of the true events than the others. It is possible that the plane and men mentioned by January [and Plumlee] as well as another plane of the exact same type [as described by Douglass] both occurred....but there are some reasons to conjecture that they likely both did not. It is yet another incompletely solved mystery of the events of Dallas, IMHO. [I contacted Smith and tried to work with him to reconcile the differences of the Plumlee and January versions, but he was not much interested in this/my effort, not believing the Plumlee story worthy of the effort.]
When I read that part of JFKU I too thought of Tosh and emailed him asking questions. He did not respond.
I agree with you Peter that the January version sounds more authentic. Tosh may also be holding back for reasons of safety.
I will be most interested in seeing what you write on this.
Tosh and I are back in touch again, mainly email, but sometimes he does not respond to specific things. Odd becasue the questions I had about a month ago concerned .....well never mind...it is pictures that he and I both have and he posted on facebook then took the page down. Was ordered to he said...so I don't want to get him in any trouble. It was just one of those nice ironies that we would both have such a unique pic, mine was taken by a stranger as I wanted to get all four of in it. Sorry this is cryptic. Only becasue of Tosh.
Given what he's already told it is amazing he is alive. (LIke secret sworn testimony with the Kerry COmmission).
Sorry to go a bit off topic....
Dawn