29-08-2013, 07:10 PM
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Charles - I have deep and genuine respect for your philosophy.
You honor me, and I return the respect ten-fold.
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:But we all live, and we all sin, according to our own conscience. And I do not share your philosophy in its entirety.
For me, the real enemies are those who rape children. Those who bomb the innocent. Those who commit atrocities as part of the Strategy of Tension.
Can I forgive them? I'm not sure I have enough compassion and enough soul.
I suspect I cannot forgive Pinochet, Bush, Reinhard Gehlen, Allen Dulles......
I will save my tears and my soul for the men, women and children who were victims of their horrific crimes.
So perhaps, Charles, you are a better man than I.
Most certainly I am not. And you know me well enough to realize that if I were, I wouldn't hesitate to say so!
Pinochet, Bush, Gehlen, Allen Dulles ... these are my blood enemies, too. And I know myself well enough to realize that I may talk a good Gandhi ball game, but I haven't the slightest idea how I would react if I had my hands around their foul throats.
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Make the case, and make the case well, but beware the early resort to malign conclusions.
For every agent provocateur, there will be a person of good intent but poor reasoning.
For every Sunsteinian psyop, there will be a stubborn truthseeker groping blindly towards epiphany. Towards a revelation which may never come.
I am wary of my own demons. And of the frailty of my judgements.
I'll have my good days and my bad as I struggle to make the former outnumber the latter.
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Charles - you know well that when the signal to noise ratio of a member has become intolerable, or the DPF founders judge there to be overwhelming evidence of malign intent, then we will act to ban a person.
You know that we are no respecters of reputation, and will act according to our collective and considered view.
Until that point, my own personal view is that we should fight the fight with evidence, with logic, with insight and with as much patience as we can muster. And avoid the charge of enemy agents.
Even though we know that the infiltration of the agent provocateur is a standard MO of the enemy.
See my next post, please.
And thank you, Jan. Thank you very much.
Charles Drago
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene