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The "Other" Zapruder Film
#1
Several people, including the late Rich Dellarossa, have claimed to
have seen an unaltered, unedited version of the Zapruder film that is
different than the film commonly seen by the American public. It has
been described as showing the limo making a wide turn from Houston St.
onto Elm and a bullet hitting the Stemmons Freeway sign. More
shockingly, the film reportedly shows the limo completely stopped when
the head shots are fired.

When Rich first told me about this, I was intrigued at the possibility that the extant Z-film was an edited version.

As part of Jack White's research into the authenticity and accuracy of the extant Zapruder film, author/researcher Jim Marrs interviewed William Reymond, a French free-lance writer who is one of the people who claim to have seen the "ORIGINAL" Zapruder film.

Here, Mr. Reymond describes what he saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdyqDBTpeo
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#2
Gil Jesus Wrote:Several people, including the late Rich Dellarossa, have claimed to
have seen an unaltered, unedited version of the Zapruder film that is
different than the film commonly seen by the American public. It has
been described as showing the limo making a wide turn from Houston St.
onto Elm and a bullet hitting the Stemmons Freeway sign. More
shockingly, the film reportedly shows the limo completely stopped when
the head shots are fired.

When Rich first told me about this, I was intrigued at the possibility that the extant Z-film was an edited version.

As part of Jack White's research into the authenticity and accuracy of the extant Zapruder film, author/researcher Jim Marrs interviewed William Reymond, a French free-lance writer who is one of the people who claim to have seen the "ORIGINAL" Zapruder film.

Here, Mr. Reymond describes what he saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdyqDBTpeo

Thanks for posting this Gil. Reymond's observations are very important.
Incidentally, this is excerpted from my video THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM
HOAX.

Jack
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#3
Thanks Gil, Jack and Jim for each of your work on this matter. I had gotten detailed descriptions of the 'other film' - from Rich D [both as he described it on his forum, and further in private exchanges], and with one other person who prefers not to be named. Their descriptions match each other and that heard in the clip Gil points toward on this thread. Rich had himself spoken to a few others who had seen a showing of it, and they all describe what must have been copies of the same 'other' film. When one puts this together with all the very odd and all but impossible anomalies of the publicly extant film, it is quite clear we were given a 'film' of the 'event' as 'real' as the official version of events are (i.e. a Fake! :ySmile. :listen:

After all these years, I still can't get over how sinister the whole event was and remains - and the lack of a real official investigation. Why the PTB don't want a real investigation is crystal clear; why American citizens have not demanded one is not. Thank goodness for those private researchers who have worked all these years, usually for nothing more than more venom or problems than praise, to detail just how 'naked' the Empire has been all along. Sadly, it clearly shows no signs of self-reform. :mad:
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#4
When was this interview with Mr Reymond recorded?
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#5
Peter Dawson Wrote:When was this interview with Mr Reymond recorded?

As I recall, it was the year 2000.

Jack
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#6
Jack,

What, if anything, can you tell us about David Mantik's trip to Europe to meet with Reymond and see the "other" Z-film -- other than David never saw anything of the sort?

Are you in a position to ask David if he'd care to comment on these pages?

Thanks, my friend.

CD
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Charles Drago Wrote:Jack,

What, if anything, can you tell us about David Mantik's trip to Europe to meet with Reymond and see the "other" Z-film -- other than David never saw anything of the sort?

Are you in a position to ask David if he'd care to comment on these pages?

Thanks, my friend.

CD

Charles...I am not aware that David Mantik planned to meet with
Reymond when he vacationed in France. I never heard that.
If you know of such, you know more than I.

Thanks for getting Magda to reconnect me.

Jack
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#8
You're entirely welcome, Jack.

I know only what David himself chose to reveal at a JFK Lancer conference some years back.

If memory serves, he said that he was offered the opportunity to see an "uncut" Z-film in Europe, and that Reymond was facilitating the venture.

I'm not in contact with David; if you are, perhaps you can ask him to comment.

It brings to mind a certain Mr. Jaffe's quest for what turned out to be the manuscript of Farewell America.
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#9
The importance of Mr. Zapruder’s description of when he began filming the attack on JFK that Mr. Zapruder gave to WFAA Program Director Jay Watson on live TV the afternoon of 22 Nov 1963 cannot be over emphasized because at the very least it indicates footage Mr. Zapruder recorded is missing from the film he took. This in turn means that the camera “original” stored at the National Archives cannot possibly be the Zapruder original because it also is missing this footage and no indications of film editing (splice tape, etc) has been reported by handlers and examiners of the film, the most recent being Roland Zavala. Missing film footage with no visible physical evidence of editing indicates the film at the Archives is a “print” of an edited film and not the original.

Before all of Mr. Zapruder’s 4 films (1 original & 3 copies) left Dallas the film was screened before a number of persons. These persons included Jamison employees, Mr. Zapruder’s lawyer, Zapruder’s business partner (Irwin Schwartz), Dan Rather and other journalists. The importance of what all these people witnessed when the film was screened before them cannot be over emphasized yet I know of no effort by the Justice Department over the years to contact these people and interview them, do you?

Dan Rather described what he saw on national TV, his description including the JFK parade car rounding the corner at Houston & Elm Streets (just as Mr. Zapruder described it in his WFAA interview) and Rather also described JFK being thrown ‘violently forward’ (not back and to the left) when he was wounded in his head.

The co-creator of the Zapruder film (Marilyn Sitzman) described when her boss began filming in both ‘The Men Who Killed Kennedy’ and also in ‘Image Of An Assassination’. Both times she indicated the filming began before the JFK parade car made the turn at Elm & Houston.

The public has never seen this parade car turn. It was never published by anything the media giant that purchased Mr. Zapruder’s film and all rights to it ever published over the years, it was not published in the WC exhibits, it did not appear in any Zapruder bootlegs from the Clay Shaw trial years, it’s missing from the Geraldo Rivera bootleg Zapruder film broadcast from the mid 70’s, there’s nothing from the HSCA on it and it’s not in any of the 4 digital versions of the film contained in ‘Image Of An Assassination’ that was released to the public by the Zapruder heirs.

When Mr. Zapruder skipped over the DPD who were actively investigating the assassination and publicly asking for those with photos and motion pictures of the attack to contact them and placed his film first into the hands of federal investigators and then a media giant he opened doors for the film to copied many times over by handlers within that elite triangle (SS-Hoover’s FBI-Time-Life). How many times and by whom that may have been done within this unique triangle will probably never be known but there always exists a possibility that the “real deal” is in someone’s hands and may possibly see the light of day in our lifetime. What could it hurt to show the public what really occurred to JFK on Elm Street, it’s not going to expose the shooters or their handlers any more than the film that has been seen by the public, will it?

What’s strange in this topic is the silence of all those who were involved in the creation, development, copying, initial Dallas screening, the 1st federal handlers of the film and the media giant that paid out a small fortune for the film. Surely someone within this elite group knows if what the public has seen is bogus. Is it that hard to locate these people and ask them a simple question, “Did you see the JFK parade car make the turn at Elm & Houston when you saw the film screened the assassination weekend?” plus “what else did you see in the film?”

The silence on the matter from that elite group is deafening.

The JFK parade car turn at Houston & Elm Streets is also missing from a multitude of JFK attack films and is the subject of intrigue & private research. Obviously, something occurred that was removed from public scrutiny. In the case of the Zapruder film, it appears to have been removed by someone within the unique triangle (SS-Hoover’s FBI-Time Life).

I constantly hope that either those who saw the film before it left Dallas the assassination weekend will go public with what they saw or friends and family of those now deceased will share with the public what those people described to them while they were here on Earth. I also constantly hope that whoever’s hands the “real” film may now reside will release it to the public in my lifetime.

Best wishes,

Frank Nelson


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#10
hi frank;

quote ''What could it hurt to show the public what really occurred to JFK on Elm Street'' i am thinking first off it would give away the compliance of the government in the cover-up of the crime,after all they had the film, they only were the guilty party who altered it,having the facilities and epertise to do so, therefore they would be found to have shown their guilt in covering their butts, then the zapruder's would have to give back the 16 million plus interest, omg, that is never going to happen, there are were, 6 researchers all together who reported seeing the other film , the comparisons they gave in the past, which i do not have now, but were at one time posted on rich's and when compared were basically,and extremely similar, there was, is another film out there, rich said that cbc and nbc also had a copy, the info about such sorry to say is also gone, perhaps jack may recall,some details..?? but it was milicent cranor that told of her seeing the other film being at one of the two stations in her recall .. thanks

b
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