05-09-2013, 05:41 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-09-2013, 06:01 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Michael Cross Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Michael Cross Wrote:Jim Hackett II Wrote:Who knows? I do not.
The wide turn and the insistence on a lingering FULL STOP were the emphasis of the first description I ever heard,
the quote is "the m******'ers were waiting for the kill shot and it took a while....."
Both issues destroy the illusion of the Ztoon.
If we are to take the existence of this film on faith, then debating the alteration of the zfilm is wasted energy; let's expend said energy in other areas.
There are two divergent interpretations [and reactions] to what I read you wrote. I don't understand which you meant. Kindly explain clearly and more fully. However, I see NO REASON to not discuss both the 'other film' and what all seemed to see within it AND alteration of the Z-film [which is the only film the average person will likely ever see]. I don't get what is behind your sentence, above. One interpretation is benign - the other could be rather sinister and a diversion of the entire exploration of the JFK assassination. Lately, this forum has been inundated with new people - that is not a problem; however, IMO, many of them came from Mockingbird Central. I'm not saying you did..I'm asking for clarification. Your seeming request to neither 'waste time' on EITHER the 'other film' or alternation of the Z-film strikes me as tantamount [unless I misread] to saying 'hey everyone - ignore all films of the events of 11/22/63 and take the authorities selective to false WORDS and totally false proofs as the basid on which to form an opinion. I'll explain further my reaction to your 'on faith' statement, along with the rest of the short but 'pithy' stab after you reply. I sense this forum, and what it stands for, is currently under attack. It is not immediately clear which of the new persons here are only naive or mis-interpreted, and which are part of the attack...but I believe it will soon become very clear. IMO. If I have misread your post, my apologies. If I have not, expect a stronger follow-up statement.
Peter,
I was afraid that I might have been vague in what I wrote. Sorry.
I'm not asserting that studying the Z film is a waste of time. I spent this past weekend at my in-law's in a small rural town. Doing so afforded me some time to think about the "other" film, and what its existence means. As such, the one definitive conclusion I reached is that in the presence of this accurate or more accurate film, the argument about whether or not the Zapruder film has been altered would be over. Zapruder, if this other film exists, has been altered. Therefore, I'm not sure debating alteration with those that defend the Z film is worth the time - especially in light of the amount of disinformation purveyors that lurk about. Is that more clear?
As for my "on faith" comment, I hold no delusion that I will ever get to see this "other" film. I must rely on the accounts of those that have seen it and their reputations to reach my conclusion about the veracity of the film's existence.
I apologize for being vague in my first post. I understand your concern for the integrity of DPF and do not consider your response to have been pithy.
Meditating on the existence of this other film has "rocked my world".
M.
I understand a bit better now your thrust, and put my sword back in its sheath. However, 1] Most people will never see the 'other film' - most, in fact, are unaware of its existence - let alone believe it might be real. 2] Even were the 'other film' to exist [which I think is most likely]; or to not exist [and be an intel psyop again the research community] - it STILL matters, IMO, if the Z-film the government claims is 'real' has been altered or not.....because all of the seeming alterations [without exception] make it more like the official fairy tale, than the reports of witnesses and other photos and films! That's important to help tell what happened and perhaps more important to point to government malfeasance and cover-up [not to mention complicity in the conspiracy]. I hope it is obvious why: it shows yet one more attempt to fudge the 'evidence' to comport with the pre-constructed and desired scenario; and not have the scenario of what actually happened comport with the facts and evidence, witnesses et al. The Z-film tampered with; the autopsy tampered with, along with JFK's body; witness statements and witnesses tampered with with threats and some with DEATH; the evidence of rifles, bullets, windshields and on and one tampered with or fabricated out of whole cloth; the phony investigations controlled by players or proxies for the conspirators; the obstruction of justice with the Garrison investigation and anything edging toward the truth; the murder of Oswald to silence him; the murder of Nagell and many others; the refusal of the CIA and other agencies to release relevant documents - or the destruction of them; the controlled media and the propaganda efforts....and I could go on for a few hundred pages. So, the tampering [and lying about it not being tampered with] is yet another very important knife in the back of the Big Lie.
Obviously, were the 'other film' out, then the Z-film would have little importance over its changes - it like is entirely a 'changed film'...a fictional creation out of 'real' but highly manipulated images - creating a lie to stand as the baseline and clock for what was supposed to have happen - but did not.
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