04-01-2014, 04:37 PM
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I disagree that the conspiracy could not have been spun that far in advance.
I mean, how else does one explain the Clinton/Jackson incident?
I agree that Shaw and Ferrie might not have known the ultimate aim of that exercise.
But they sure as heck did know after.
Or else why was Ferrie frantic to find if Oswald had used his library card, and to eliminate any photo of him and he together in the CAP?
And why did Ferrie risk multiple counts of perjury and obstruction of justice by lying his head off in his FBI interview?
My feeling is that the N. Orleans stuff was compartmentalized. But once the news hit, these guys knew what had happened and they were a part of it. ANd they did typical CYA stuff. Unawares that the upper level plotters were going to have Oswald killed on short notice anyway.
Jim,
Although I absolutely agree with your second post (Bertrand a certainty, Andrews was called) I am not sure I follow the logic here.
starting at the top,
"how else do you explain the Clinton incident?"
My original comment was that I did not believe the assassination conspiracy was fleshed out much more than a few months in advance (as in, not two years in planning, as Doyle's comment regarding introducing Oswald to Andrews far far in advance would indicate) ... The Clinton incident was early or late August of 63. Only two or three months in advance. But even still, I would have questions about how this trip relates to JFK.
How about this possibility, since, I think it seems *everyone is grasping at straws to explain WHY these three would even be in Clinton.... Although I agree with Tracy, in spirit, that there could have been a civil rights related intelligence mission going on (Marshall John Manchester states the FBI has been there, "just observing"), it seems unnecessary to have the three of them there, it seems redundant to have them AND the FBI there ... And outside of some very lame excuse for sheep dipping Oswald, it makes little sense in my view.
Further, and to the point, the multiple witnesses corroborating Oswald's interest in a state hospital job seem to indicate to me that any focus on Clinton should be regarding he hospital.
SO, HERE IS MY POOR ATTEMPT AT A SOLUTION:
given I think it highly unlikely that Shaw, Ferrie, and Oswald were the genesis of the Kennedy plot, that August 63 may or may not have been too early for anyone to be planning such anyhow, and that little or no sensible reason can be assigned this journey, MAY I SUGGEST
1. Given Ferrie, Oswald, and Shaw can easily be seen to be involved in anti-Castro axtivities
2. Given that such activities can be documented, that "Oswald" was "in Mexico" around this time
3. Given JVBakers cancer-weapon claims
4. Given the multiple corroborations of interest in a hospital job
IS IT NOT AT LEAST **POSSIBLE* that the impetus for the trip to Clinton was to get Oswald a job at a hospital
a. Either as some new form of medical worker related cover/identity to allow him medical access to Cuba, or some such OR
b. Is it possible that this particular hospital also doubled as an army research hospital, or otherwise had in some way, an intelligence/military component that was operationally important for their mission going forward with relation to the assassination of CASTRO, not JFK.
???
maybe I'm already jumping the crazy train I promised to try and not jump, but I can't help but put at least some stock in JVB after she produced her Riley Coffee W2, and the jist of her story comports with what I know to be true of the US MIC interest in a cancer bio weapon. To me it makes more sense intrinsically, that the attempt at a job at this hospital is of relation to the mission we KNOW existed at that time (namely - kill Castro) not to a mission we can only very poorly theorize existed at that time (kill kennedy ) a mission, which if it existed at that time, IMHO, would still be utterly compartmentalized at the top, not at the bottom with LHO, DF, and CS.