Opinions on Roscoe White story?

[David Josephs]

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Sorry Nick...

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AHHH.
Picture worth a thousand words.

I can never understand why more posts don't include the images... makes it so much easier to follow

Okay.
Pretty sure i am largely on the same page as you now.
A few questions for clarification, etc ...

*first picture you have there (that is the three photos in a row)
The one on the right is the one that went missing?

Not "missing" as opposed to NEVER FOUND... at least not in 1963 or 1964.
This is Marina relating some interesting things about the photos and camera she supposedly worked that day.... she could only remember 1 or 2 photos which she burned on 11/23 (according to this report)
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...PageId=107

* second photo with the stand-in man
This is the one that was *taken very soon after the murder* but based on a photo you are saying they did not have access to,
as it went missing?

If I am mistaken about the FBI taking a photo like that too I apologize, yet I seem to remember them doing so... the DPD did:
CE 712-713 - Photographs taken by the Dallas Police Department on November 29, 1963, showing backyard of home on Neely ...497
Since 133-C was not found for years to come... how does the DPD know to pose the man exactly like this pose that surfaces years later?


This photo was then analyzed with the other known BYPs **including the Roscoe White copy** (news to me!) by the HSCA?
Oh, Nick... while the HSCA was indeed a complete sham... Evidence of the conspiracy is easily found within its volumes... There is greater detail from the HSCA on the Med farce, the photographs and the handwriting analysis... along with the famous dictabelt sound conclusions... the world's only conspiracy without any conpirators... the HSCA is wonderful for catching the powers that be with their hands in the cookie jar.

Okay okay.

I think I am 100% with you SO FAR.

BUT HERE IS A QUESTION ...
i think i MAY be losing you towards the end with your comment about them not lining up, not even close, and there being "two ghosted image backgrounds"

HOWEVER ... I think my own original question may be actually getting right back to where I lose you ... AND POSSIBLY TO WHY THAT PHOTO WENT MISSING ...

[so obviously i have a second question: WHY did that photo go missing ... well possibly here is an answer]

As I stated above, 133-c was never missing... it simply was not brought to light at the same time as the other photos, only years later.
BUT, the negative to 133-A was noted and did disappear before the HSCA could see it - leaving only the one negative

BTW - please notice that the background is different in relation to Oswald in each BYP. Either the subject or the camera was moved - which means that only photos that are taken from the identical spot can be superimposed and matched... which again is why the BYP without Oswald and with have to be from the same blank BYP original.

Okay ...
Oswald in his interrogation is adamant that the backyard photos were faked. He seems to have hit the nail on the head that one of his arrest photos was used as the paste on head ... BUT HERE IS ANOTHER THING ... Oswald asked a question that had me confused until you mention all this here ... it was something like, "this large photo here, it was made by blowing up the small one? or that small one it was made from blowing up the large one?" [i assume the two photographs were physically of different size? i dunno, irrelevant anyhow ...]

*** WAS OSWALD REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT OF THE IMAGES UP TOP, THE LEFT AND RIGHT IMAGE ARE MADE FROM THE IDENTICAL BACKGROUND *** (proof of forgery) while the one in the middle is taken against a second background image?

IF SO, THIS WOULD EXPLAIN WHY THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WENT MISSING.
It was DAMNING. So they pulled it.

Sorry Nick, but your "missing" theory is premature. According to Fritz, he asked Oswald about the photos 3+ hours before they were found (read Fritz's report of the interrogation) and Michael Paine was asked about them the night of the 22nd.

I do not know from whereyou are quoting Oswald about large and small ones....

I would need to do some digging to find out how/why they posed that man like that on the 29th when 133-C was nowhere in sight...
or how the ghost image was done to exactly match the 133-C pose.

Obviously I've been off the mark a few times already, so I'd like to hear your take, but I think I may actually be on it here.
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It is possible Oswald assisted in the creation of each of the BYPs - we know he had ID that was photographically created by reducing the print and adding a photo...
But I doubt it highly..

That Roscoe's widow has a version of this photo as well as STOVALL is simply a bit too much of a coincidence.
Along with the very real arguments showing the Oswalds never having been at Neely, but that's another subject.
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Nick... we're getting into the weeds here. All we are doing is ID'ing the players and very little discussion on the deeper political connotations.

How far in advance these photos (and much of the other evidence) were created can give us a good idea of the assassination timeline.
At some point Oswald crossed over from asset to patsy and was placed at the TSBD while all this evidence was being arranged.

How involved was the mysterious MARINA and Havery's caretaker the short fat version of Marguerite....
In the same WCD I refer to, Marina claims her ex business manager sold LIFE a copy of the photo for $5K while THORNE, her former attorney, also tells her that HE sold the picture to LIFE for $5K.

After the many years I've been at this, I enjoy helping others see that the entirety of the evidence is good for only one thing... proving conspiracy... and even there the details require so much effort to corrolate
and make sense. If you are hoping the evidence will shed light on the events of the day and thier history I have to refer you to Salandria - who saw this the weekend of the killings:

Cheers my friend
DJ

"I'm afraid we were misled," Salandria said sadly. "All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort micro-analyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy. Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They chose not to. Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner. The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny. The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'We are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.' It was a message to the people that their government was powerless. And the people eventually got the message. Consider what has happened since the Kennedy assassination. People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously.

"The tyranny of power is here. Current events tell us that those who killed Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by* promoting social upheaval both at home and abroad. And that will lead not to revolution but to repression. I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who killed Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities. No doubt we are dealing now with an international conspiracy. We must face that fact -- and not waste any more time micro-analyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."