05-10-2008, 08:33 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-10-2008, 10:53 PM by Adele Edisen.)
Linda wrote:
Linda,
I meant to suggest something to you earlier, but forgot. I have done this and it might help discern the color of the vehicle a bit better. While watching the Nix film, for example, place your cursor on the play button which is now two upright parallel lines, and click on it. It will stop the video wherever you wish and then you can view the frame for as long as you want. I only see the auto as white, but depending on the film/video and other factors, the color hues may appear differently. I don't recall if there was any mention made of the color of the "Honest Joe's" wagon in what I read, which is why I suggested it might be a little project for someone to follow up on.
In Jim Marrs' book, Crossfire, page 38, Jean Hill's observations are mentioned. She recalled the name on the car as "Uncle Joe's Pawn Shop." She went on to say she was suspicious of it because it was allowed by the police to drive in front of the TSBD Building and then went behind the concrete pergola on the north side of Elm Street. "She jokingly said to Moorman (Mary Moorman, her friend with her), "Do you suppose there are murderers in that van?"
Wasn't the station wagon belonging to Mrs. Paine a Rambler? Was the wagon described by Craig a Rambler? You know, it has been almost 45 years ago, but I have a vague memory of discussions about a Studebaker vehicle picking up someone near the TSBD Building - I may be wrong about this, though. Studebaker cars stopped being produced around that time.
Articles on prior motorcade activities in the parking lot near the railroad tracks witnessed by Lee Bowers, a railroad supervisor, mention a blue-and-white 1959 Oldsmobile station wagon with out-of-state license plates and bumper stickers, one for Goldwater, driving in and leaving the parking area. A black 1957 Ford cruised around that parking lot and left by way of the Elm Street spur in front of the TSBD Building. Its white male driver seemed to have a microphone into which he spoke. A third car noted by Bowers was a mud splashed 1961 or 1962 white four-door Chevrolet Impala sedan with out-of-state plates similar to those of the first vehicle. Its driver was a white male who spent much time driving about. Bowers saw the car heading toward the Elm Street spur exit, but "pausing just above the assassination site." At this point Bowers became busy and did not notice if this car actually left the vicinity. (pages 75-76 in Jim Marrs' Crossfire.)
This car, being white, could be the one to which I referred in this thread.
However, Secret Service Agent-in-Charge of the Dallas office, Forrest Sorrels, took an interest in Honest Joe's wagon and in Honest Joe himself. This may be found in his testimony before the Warren Commission. Sorrels was a passenger in the lead car driven by Chief Curry in front of the presidential limousine, and while scanning the Grassy Knoll fir potential shooters, he certainly would have noticed the Honest Joe wagon.
Incidentally, Forrest Sorrels knew Orville Nix, a heating and air conditioning maintenance engineer who worked in the building occupied by the Dallas Secret Service. It was Forrest Sorrels who helped Nix get his film
accepted by the FBI; they did not really want to exam it initially. (I wonder why?)
Adele
Quote:I found the Bell Film here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmeQicc6YE
Nix film here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xboWTRPEWW0
I can see a vehicle, but the films pan across it so quickly, all I can make out is the color--a light blue or green--which is the same color as the vehicle in which Roger Craig said Oswald got into, and which Oswald allegedly said belonged to Ruth Paine.
Linda,
I meant to suggest something to you earlier, but forgot. I have done this and it might help discern the color of the vehicle a bit better. While watching the Nix film, for example, place your cursor on the play button which is now two upright parallel lines, and click on it. It will stop the video wherever you wish and then you can view the frame for as long as you want. I only see the auto as white, but depending on the film/video and other factors, the color hues may appear differently. I don't recall if there was any mention made of the color of the "Honest Joe's" wagon in what I read, which is why I suggested it might be a little project for someone to follow up on.
In Jim Marrs' book, Crossfire, page 38, Jean Hill's observations are mentioned. She recalled the name on the car as "Uncle Joe's Pawn Shop." She went on to say she was suspicious of it because it was allowed by the police to drive in front of the TSBD Building and then went behind the concrete pergola on the north side of Elm Street. "She jokingly said to Moorman (Mary Moorman, her friend with her), "Do you suppose there are murderers in that van?"
Wasn't the station wagon belonging to Mrs. Paine a Rambler? Was the wagon described by Craig a Rambler? You know, it has been almost 45 years ago, but I have a vague memory of discussions about a Studebaker vehicle picking up someone near the TSBD Building - I may be wrong about this, though. Studebaker cars stopped being produced around that time.
Articles on prior motorcade activities in the parking lot near the railroad tracks witnessed by Lee Bowers, a railroad supervisor, mention a blue-and-white 1959 Oldsmobile station wagon with out-of-state license plates and bumper stickers, one for Goldwater, driving in and leaving the parking area. A black 1957 Ford cruised around that parking lot and left by way of the Elm Street spur in front of the TSBD Building. Its white male driver seemed to have a microphone into which he spoke. A third car noted by Bowers was a mud splashed 1961 or 1962 white four-door Chevrolet Impala sedan with out-of-state plates similar to those of the first vehicle. Its driver was a white male who spent much time driving about. Bowers saw the car heading toward the Elm Street spur exit, but "pausing just above the assassination site." At this point Bowers became busy and did not notice if this car actually left the vicinity. (pages 75-76 in Jim Marrs' Crossfire.)
This car, being white, could be the one to which I referred in this thread.
However, Secret Service Agent-in-Charge of the Dallas office, Forrest Sorrels, took an interest in Honest Joe's wagon and in Honest Joe himself. This may be found in his testimony before the Warren Commission. Sorrels was a passenger in the lead car driven by Chief Curry in front of the presidential limousine, and while scanning the Grassy Knoll fir potential shooters, he certainly would have noticed the Honest Joe wagon.
Incidentally, Forrest Sorrels knew Orville Nix, a heating and air conditioning maintenance engineer who worked in the building occupied by the Dallas Secret Service. It was Forrest Sorrels who helped Nix get his film
accepted by the FBI; they did not really want to exam it initially. (I wonder why?)
Adele