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[Seamus Coogan]

As I've said the Torbitt document did not predict 'Gladio'.

My understanding is that the "Torbitt document" started circulating in samizdat form circa 1970.

Now this is classic. Two of you have now made the misguided call that in dissing the Torbitt documents that I am somehow dissing the Shaw-Permindex-Gkadio link. I have to ask Jan have you read my previous posts? Well no obviously you haven't.

Let's make this clear. 1970 is at least Two years after it was first published in Italy and Garrison got hold of it in his investigation. It was a year or so after that Paris Flammonde wrote his important piece on the subject. A full year or so the Torbitt document came out. So what does 1970 mean to me Jan?

A big fat nothing.

Confirmation of the existence of Gladio and its false flag atrocities committed as part of a Strategy of Tension can probably best be dated to Italian PM Andreotti's speech on October 24, 1990, and Allan Francovich's documentaries first broadcast in 1992.
Mae Brussell identified Gladio here in 1987, without knowing its name, and her "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination", which contains both Hits and Misses, is an earlier adumbration of linked material.

Well nope. There had been a lot of stuff going down in Europe since the mid 80's. So what if Brussell doesnt name it? The stuff in Europe was well actually well known if nameless. The Torbitt document or Brussell for that matter didn't predict anything of mass importance, not already known. I also don't like the tone. You don't honestly think I haven't checked up and backed up the dates nor that I know anything about Gladio? Well sorry. I do.

I've simply never used Brussell as a source for any of it.

Rather than predicting Gladio, I would rather frame it as Mae Brussell's work identifying much important material which became yet more important and resonant once the philosophy, MO and deep political support of Operation Gladio (and its other names and manifestations) became public record.

Brussell was nothing unique in this regard, well she was in that she added a conspiratorial touch which as you say is 'hit and miss' but once again 'let's get real'. There were numerous other courageous primary sources coming from French, Italian and English journo's (no they weren't slipped information by the Commies as Helms liked to say) whom had been reporting on this stuff right through out the Cold War. Brussell was not a primary source for this. She never ever said she was either.

Now before you say I am dissing Brussell. Let's get this clear. Read carefully. I like Mae Brussell! She did some good work in particularly on 'The Last Words of Lee Harvey Oswald' She also actually thought the Torbitt documents were likely bogus.

Having said all that, MSM continues to ignore Gladio and Francovich only lasted until 1997 when he suffered a fatal heart attack in Houston airport, Texas...

Yes they do and Francovichs ballsy work shouldn't be tarred by putting the Torbitt document garbage alongside his stuff. Nor should Brussell's opinions of them nor her work be overlooked or clouded because of it either. She made far more valuable contributions than that. As you clearly no.

As for Crisman, man oh man. Who gives a flying retarded shit? Theres evidence of a whole heap of stuff going down with or without Crismans involvement anyhow. In effect the points you have made Jan are precisely why the Torbitt Documents are so bad they leech off the legitimate work of other people. Furthermore, I suggest anybody concerned about the truth email Kenn Thomas and ask him why he felt the need to libel Jim DiEugenio with regards to Torbitt.