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In The Shadow of Dallas and LA
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Zach,

Ours is precisely the type of Internet exchange that I most thoroughly enjoy.

Zach Robertson Wrote:I just cannot see a bunch of guys in white suits with supranational power sitting around a table plotting JFK's demise because of the Oil Depletion Tax etc.

Neither can I. And not just because the people I have in mind seldom dress in white.

I submit that the decision among the Sponsors of the JFK assassination to go ahead with the operation likely was made based upon absence of opposition from their equals. Silence was consent. The supranational forces of which I speak are referenced by Evica in A Certain Arrogance when he writes of intelligence officers whose "masters were above Cold War differences."

Neither JFK's threatened reduction of the Oil Depletion Allowance nor any of the other motives commonly referenced in this case -- and commonly used to prop up False Sponsor arguments -- would have been sufficient in and of themselves to prompt the go-ahead.

I am led to believe -- but don't quite yet know -- that all of these factors, plus what I term the perceived (by the Sponsors) inherent power of JFK to initiate major and lasting paradigm shifts in how business is done and how control is maintained not just in the U.S. but around the world, produced the critical mass necessary to force the Sponsors to act.

I look forward to your thoughts regarding ACA. You'll note that in my Introduction I further address what here we're calling supranational forces. Once you've done so, we'll have a firmer foundation upon which to carry forward this debate.


Zach Robertson Wrote:I can't really see Morales taking orders from anyone except occasionally from Ted Shackley and I do not think Ted Shackley was involved in the assassination.

Morales has fascinated me since the day I first heard his name. Nowhere have I read that he would stray from the reservation -- at least not very far. His actions derived from orders.

Nor have I read anything about Morales that would lead me to conclude that he had the authority to manipulate the systems initialized to facilitate the murder and coverup.

Finally, the noise that was generated by assassination preparations would have been loudly and clearly heard by forces far higher in the food chain than Morales. If those forces A) saw no need for JFK's removal, and B) were not completely satisfied that the risks posed by the planned operation to their long-term interests and even survival were minimized and controlled, then no mid-level operative the likes of Morales would have been permitted to move forward.

Shit runs downhill. How would Morales have conscripted the services of an Alan Dulles, for example?


Zach Robertson Wrote:First, the supranational people would bring in Morales as a hired gun because he has a reputation of getting things done.

Precisely.


Zach Robertson Wrote:If this was the case, surely the guys in white suits would dispose of Morales shortly after the assassination much like the Burt Lancaster character in Executive Action.

Not necessarily. No one is irreplaceable, but Morales was a superb operative at his level and was controllable. They kept him alive for years, and he provided security and invaluable service until his own alcohol-fed indiscretions forced them to act.


Zach Robertson Wrote:I can't see Morales working for people he doesn't really know just for some money.

Lust for money, I'm afraid, later became one of Morales's aforementioned indiscretions.


Zach Robertson Wrote:Also, I see Morales as being involved in this assassination because he believed in it 100% - not as some mercenary.

Beware the false choice. Embrace the third alternative.

Q. Did Morales help plan and execute the assassination of JFK because he believed the fate of his beloved country depended on it, or was he in it for the money?

A. Yes.


Zach Robertson Wrote:Morales has himself a powerful sponsor the man in the white suit is indeed tight with Dave for many years. If this were the case, Morales would be protected for life under the wing of his supranational sponsor. Surely Morales would not have been allowed to be disposed of in 1978 if this were the case.

There is no evidence to suggest that it was the casae.

Zach, I'm afraid that you're ascribing moral compunctions to amoral men. Morales was a tool on the belt of Facilitator/carpenters who were sub-contracted by Facilitator/architects who were commissioned by Sponsors/supranational clients.

Were any tender mercies present in Dealey Plaza? Who was more protected than the dissected Johnny Roselli? The silenced Sam Giancana? The hammered Jimmy "Marteduzzo" Hoffa?

I submit that the Sponsors never met Morales -- and cared nothing at all for his well-being.

Pets get old. When they begin defecating on your white carpets, you have them put down.
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Messages In This Thread
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Bernice Moore - 01-09-2011, 02:05 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 01-09-2011, 02:46 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 01-09-2011, 03:33 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by James Lewis - 01-09-2011, 08:50 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Bernice Moore - 02-09-2011, 03:40 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 02-09-2011, 04:19 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by James Lewis - 02-09-2011, 04:22 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 02-09-2011, 05:02 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by James Lewis - 02-09-2011, 05:23 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Phil Dragoo - 02-09-2011, 09:18 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 02-09-2011, 02:27 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 03-09-2011, 01:26 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 03-09-2011, 01:36 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 03-09-2011, 03:22 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 03-09-2011, 07:13 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Phil Dragoo - 03-09-2011, 09:10 PM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 04-09-2011, 12:05 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 04-09-2011, 12:30 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by James Lewis - 04-09-2011, 01:37 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 04-09-2011, 03:18 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 04-09-2011, 05:20 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Charles Drago - 04-09-2011, 05:24 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 04-09-2011, 05:33 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by James Lewis - 04-09-2011, 07:17 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 04-09-2011, 07:22 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by James Lewis - 04-09-2011, 07:23 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Phil Dragoo - 04-09-2011, 10:33 AM
In The Shadow of Dallas and LA - by Seamus Coogan - 05-09-2011, 02:04 AM

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