A Simple Question as We Prepare for the 50th

[Jim DiEugenio]

Well, that is disheartening Dawn.

Hopefully, recent events may change that.

Charles, technically its true that the HSCA found a 95% probability of conspiracy. But if you read it carefully, it says Oswald is the assassin since the guy in front missed.

I am not satisfied with that and I sure hope you are not.

As per concrete suggestions I already named one. Another would be to break the exclusivity of what the Power elite is doing in Dallas right now. Third, to get something on the media. A really good possibility right now is AL Jazeera since it is taking over Current TV. Which had been owned by Al Gore. Who, of course, ended up being a staunch conspiracy advocate. (Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, p. 396)

[Adele Edisen]

Maybe the best thing to do is to have everyone who can, work privately to uncover as much evidence as possible, name the names and positions, provide the evidence, regardless of what the Government releases or does not release. Isn't this how we have come to know what we now know? The U.S. Govenment and its agencies have done nothing to aid in these investigations.

Many of the conspirators are dead by now, but even that is of no consequence because History will provide them their punishment, and justice to their victims. Think of what History has already done to those such as Nero, Ghengis Khan, Hitler, Mussolini, and all the other criminals, including members of our Government, who preyed on humanity.

Adele

[Charles Drago]

Charles, technically its true that the HSCA found a 95% probability of conspiracy. But if you read it carefully, it says Oswald is the assassin since the guy in front missed.

There's no "if" about it. I have read HSCA carefully. I am intimately familiar with its findings.

I reiterate: Those who seek confirmation by the U.S. government of a JFK assassination conspiracy in Dallas on 11/22/63 already have it.

I am not satisfied with that and I sure hope you are not.

Ahh ... common ground.

As per concrete suggestions I already named one. Another would be to break the exclusivity of what the Power elite is doing in Dallas right now. Third, to get something on the media. A really good possibility right now is AL Jazeera since it is taking over Current TV. Which had been owned by Al Gore. Who, of course, ended up being a staunch conspiracy advocate. (Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, p. 396)

Thought-provoking, but ultimately non-responsive.

What does your end game look like? What has to happen before you are satisfied that justice has been attained in this case?

I ask this not only of you, Jim, but of all our allies.

[Peter Lemkin]

[R] E V O L U T I O N ! - AS STATED IN MY POST A WAY BACK IN THIS THREAD! NOTHING SHORT OF IT! A TOTAL RE-ORDERING OF WHO THIS NATION WORKS/IS FOR, AND WHAT HISTORY OR LIES IT DEALS IN. ITS MORAL COMPASS V. LACK OF ANY BUT GREED AND AVARICE THAT BENEFITS ONLY A HANDFUL TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE REST OF THE NATION, WORLD, ECOSYSTEM.....NOT TO MENTION TRUTH AND JUSTICE - MORALITY.

DP ON THE 50TH IS A GREAT PLACE, MORE FITTING AND SYMBOLIC THAN MOST, AT WHICH TO LIGHT THE FUSE FOR IT! :cheer:

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED [AND DISAPPOINTED/DISGUSTED] IN WHAT MY NATION AT ITS ROTTEN TOP IS DOING AND THEN EVEN LYING ABOUT WHAT IT HAS DONE!

180 DEGREE PARADIGM SHIFT AND STAND TALL; OR DIE ON OUR KNEES - WE REALLY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICES.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.......That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

[Peter Lemkin]

There will be no time to teach all we know about what really happened in Dallas - let alone the forerunners and consequences, thereof. There will be World media attention on DP on the 50th and it should not be left to the circus the City and the Keepers of the Big Lies desire and have planned. What is needed are HUGE numbers of citizenry decrying the circus and the lies. Build websites - interconnected with those that already exist - that contain the best information, best speeches of experts, refer to the best sources of books, evidence, photos, etc. Hold up signs with the url's on them - hand out leaflets with them. Skywrite them. Chant it. Whatever. Most have no idea such books as Douglass' exist or that MUCH detailed PROOF of conspiracy and cover-up exists......thought they somehow sense that conspiracy and cover-up happened. A moment in history to connect their gut suspicions with the evidence. What would happen as a result would be almost following natural law......get rid of the those who staged that and the continuing Coup and their lies - which have killed not just one fine human who was President - but King and Bobby and... millions - and is killing our Nation, and all others, under its rapacious and false/hollow/lying 'anti-ethos'.

[Phil Dragoo]

Said Groden, "In all likelihood, the fatal shot did not come from the Book Depository, but rather from the grassy knoll; whether or not Lee Oswald was firing, someone else had actually killed the President." He went on to describe how when the fourth shot was matched up to the pictures of the President's head "exploding," none of the other shots were in alignment with the [Zapruder] film. But when the THIRD shot was advanced to match up with those pictures "EVERY OTHER IMPULSE MATCHED AN ACTION ON THE FILM EXACTLY." In HIGH TREASON, Groden recounted how Professor Blakey took him aside and ordered him not to express to the Committee any conclusions that he had drawn from his study of the film and tapes. The Congressmen (and the world) were to be told that the fatal shot came from the rear, and the fourth shot was the only one to be considered the head shot. (Smith 147, original emphasis)

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics...dence.html

And they were limited to FOUR when they might have had 6 or 7 or MORE

And of course that little me culpa in re the inconvenient Joannides whose files remain verboten--though this was a LONE GUNMAN

The end game? For the motorcade route to run red with the river of blood from John F. Kennedy to the last Cambodian


When Jesse Curry retired as police chief of Dallas, Texas, he wrote a book called "JFK Assassination File." In a 1969 interview for the Dallas Morning News around the time of publication, Curry stated,



"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did.
Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand."

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.ph..._Testimony

[Jim Hackett II]

"We" have had 'proof' of conspiracy for decades. Waving the flipping 'monkey' in the face of the Elite Power conspiracy will not produce anything substantive. They already know about conspiracy in Dallas in '63. They think no one can have anything to offer that they do not already know, but they will not admit that knowledge of conspiracy to anyone not in the club. WeThePeople are deluded and too damn easily "put back to sleep". It must pay really well to drink the poison.

The fact that the Big D controllers are attempting to redefine the "right to peacefully assemble" to include only their copouts like Mr. Mack, demonstrates the reality of our Bill Of Rights mutilated at the hands of the overseers. Pessimistic as I may be, that is the reality of the USA in the 21st Century.

What do I want? Justice - but I know by past history we will never have it for any of the assassination murder victims. No prosecutor will touch the issues. No judge will risk his "career" to promote Justice, Law has become the hand servant of Empire as Law must do under fascists states.

What do I hope can be done?
A continuation of Penn Jones' Moment of Silence into the present and the future.
A "truth and reconciliation" commission.

Those are my desires.

I hope I am wrong in my pessimism. I would enjoy being proven wrong. But over the decades I have seen enough to wonder why more people do not care about the age of assassinations and the false history gobbled down as pablum. We are again being told to pay no attention to the "men" behind the curtain. Sadly most do as they are ordered by the MSM, present company excepted.

"We" raise an issue from "new" evidence, they run another cover-up, er "investigation". WC, Rockefeller redux, HSCA etc.

I feel in my depths of spirit that the last gasp of Dame Justice in America was Judge Jim Garrison's case(s). Hence many struggle in the quagmire of aborted Representation of the Republic presently.

It is a positive trait that silence will not prevail in the so called research community. It sets some apart from the Sheeple.

As much as I want change, I have no desire to experience violent revolution. Revolutions eat their own children. Violence once loosed is unpredictable.

A Revolution of Hearts is the way. Martin King said something akin to that and I agree. We cannot defeat the enemy by becoming an imitation of the enemy. To change the government would change nothing if the people were not changed too.

Jim
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"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation......."

I admit the changes may require force, but I hope to avoid the danger of disintegration into Anarchy from Revolution.

[Peter Lemkin]

You certainly did NOT understand any of my posts in this thread if you thought I was saying a 'revolution' had to be violent, and not a change of paradigms and ideas / ways of doing things / civil disobedience and the right to assemble and address grievances - not to mention free speech! Power has never conceded anything - be it a right, freedom or truth without active pressure or demonstrations/resistance/strikes/etc. from the mass of the society...NEVER!...and likely less so now when they feel so nearly in full control of their neo-feudal serfs.

A 'truth' and reconciliation whatever will never be allowed and even if it were, it wouldn't suit me. They killed not only JFK and all the others, LOOK what they have done to the very fabric of our society and polity - what part remains intact? Not a shred! We either take it back or loose it ALL [now about 95% lost] very, very soon......gulags and torture, all that goes with a complete fascist police state....your choice?....not mine.

That said, and with the fervent commitment to non-violence, there sometimes does come a time in history, when there is nothing left by defensive resistance. If I may quote JFK here, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." [JFK 1962] And from MLK, "There Comes A Time When Silence Becomes Complicity".

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ― Frederick Douglass

[Jim Hackett II]

You have more faith in peaceful change than I.

Letters and all the inside the game means haven't produced anything more than obfuscation in versions. It is the history of the last half century that underscore the point.

Confrontation empowers the fascists, it provides the excuse for the MSM to play the organ loud. As in the Co-Intel crimes, the law is only for the un-empowered to answer the bar.

As in the Occupy deal it was only an excuse for fascist power in the streets. I know some of those people they are the kind of Americans that give a shit too. They have a nearer focus than Dallas 1963 is the only real difference I see in those I know.

The state is reactive, they don't know how to be proactive.

Once Helms got his suspended sentence for felonies the truth is laid bare. No one raised an eyebrow except a few that bothered to know. The Wurlitzer plays on.

After a Judicial segment of a government is openly corrupted - history bodes ill for that government and its people.

When the secret civilian police forces are turned loose on citizens guilty of nothing more than publicly opposing the SE Asia games and maybe smoking a little pot, this is a police state of much more than 50 years duration, but the 1970 slice of time serves. And is exposed.

Today we all know the reality of the surveillance state. The state is frightened. A lot of pissed off Americans out there, hurting families and kids paying for the state protected theft yield such. Fearful police states react as is their nature.

Few today know how close to civil war RMNixon pushed this country. Not fun.

No matter the intention or conduct this event could be part of someone else's agenda besides locking out the conspiracy positions.

I fear penetration of the effort for the 50th anniversary by assets of the state to provoke actions to provide excuses to crack some liberal heads. I've seen all that crap before. Too many times in organizing.

I fear the effort will be hijacked and turned into a circus by other kinds of assets - the ones of extreme views and/or persona.

Truth and Reconciliation in the South Africa example as much obfuscation as it was about, it did attain a more peaceful redress in a situation I thought was going to be civil war. Or continue as same.
If that kind of idea isn't good enough for you, I have no idea what to tell you.

Changing people is possible. Changing the system without confrontation is not IMHO.
If the system worked we could call for a Constitutional Convention, but it only a shadow now.

Jim

[Peter Lemkin]

Remember that Truth and Reconciliation in the South Africa was AFTER the revolution - which involved both non-violent and less than non-violent action over many decades! After a revolution, I can see it having some merit. Not before. And, who said I was very optimistic - I'm not.....but willing to die fighting on my feet, with my back and head held straight, rather than on my knees with my back bend and my head down. I think we agree on the advanced stage of decay and fascism afoot.....but are we [as a collective group] going to just watch and say 'I told you so'; or are we going to rise to the occasion and fight in whatever ways will prove the most effective in obtaining the needed goals?! America is in a very, VERY advanced stage of End-of-Empire mode....when things get very ugly [they have been for decades, and the pace is now rapidly increasing, and the rot spreading into every aspect of life]. The evil and greed of others has left us, of good faith in humanity and the Planet, very little choice....sadly. There are times when one can sit back and wait; other times in history when one must either act or be part of the problem.....as most were who did nothing to stop what happened in the rise of the Third Reich. History is full of other examples. We are now in/at such a time. Of that I am as sure as that the sun will rise in the East.