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Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:This telegram had been sent from Brazil by the notorious
grand master of P2 (the Italian Freemasons lodge), Licio Gelli,
(see page 486) to Philip Guarino, Freemason, Vice Chairman of
the National Committee of the Republican Party and close associate of Vice President
George Bush. When a Swedish journalist contacted Philip Guarino, he stammered,
"I… I don't remember any such telegram, but sure I know Gelli."....
Great story.
Is there any corroborating evidence for the existence of the Gelli telegram?
As far as I know the story of the telegram was told to Barbara Honegger by an P2 informant, and published in her book "October Surprise". Meanwhile this is quoted a million times everywhere. I did not hear any dementi by Gelli or anyone else.
It was in Honegger's book, but it also was in an official Swedish investigation report. It is quite complex. See my post on the Palme thread of a few minutes ago..... here.
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From http://www.thelocal.se/9640/20080113/
Quote:Olof Palme cooperated with officials from the CIA and U.S. Embassy on several occasions early in his career as a student leader and political activist.
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A declassified U.S. government document shows that Palme passed information to the American Embassy on communist sympathizers in Sweden in 1950.
According to Dagens Nyheter, the CIA was also actively recruiting the young activist as an agent for the U.S. intelligence service.
Palme went on to become one of the most influential figures in Swedish politics, serving twice as Prime Minister, and as leader of the Social Democratic Party from 1969 until his assassination in 1986.
"Olof Palme's cooperation with the Americans and the CIA was well known throughout the military intelligence service," said Ingemar Engman, a former employee in Sweden's secret military intelligence service IB (Informationbyrån).
Palme's contacts with the U.S. occurred when he was active in student politics and working to build up a western-leaning international student organization as an alternative to the International Union of Students (IUS).
The IUS was thought to be controlled by the Soviet Union.
In a meeting at the U.S. Embassy in Stockholm following his participation in a Prague conference organized by the IUS in 1950, a 23-year old Palme remembered three of names of fellow Swedes who also attended the conference were thought to be Communist activists at the time: Gunnar Claesson, Gunnar Svantesson and Hans Göran Franck.
Prior to the 1950 meeting at the U.S. Embassy, Palme also had well established contacts with the CIA station chief in Stockholm who wanted to recruit Palme as an agent.
According to a 2003 interview with American political scientist Karen Paget, former CIA agent Tom Farmer explained that he and Palme had a good working relationship. However, upon discovering the CIA's Stockholm station chief's interest in recruiting Palme, Farmer thought it was a bad idea and that it would merely offend Palme.
Palme was also actively engaged in helping the Swedish military intelligence services during the same period, giving them information about his trips behind the iron curtain as a student leader in the early 1950s. He was also involved in building up the "Stay Behind" network, a top secret Swedish resistance movement trained to be activated in the case of Soviet occupation.
In December 1950, Palme organized a conference in Stockholm which led to the creation of the International Students Conference. The CIA, which was secretly funding the organization, wanted Palme to lead ISC. Palme was more interested in pursuing a career with the Swedish Foreign Ministry, although he was a member of the organization during the ISC's early years.
Palme's contacts were generally seen as positive, according to former Swedish intelligence official Engman.
"It was an additional secret channel to the Americans. But Palme was no CIA agent. If anything, his own interests and convictions coincided with American intelligence strategies during those years," said Engman.
However, according to Palme's son MÃ¥rten Palme, his father was disappointed by the CIA's involvement in the ISC.
"It's accurate to say that Olof was inspired early on by American ideals. Not the least when it came to his politics. But he told no one of his contacts with American agents in the 1950s, other than that the CIA had infiltrated the ISC and that this disappointed him," he said.
The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".
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Anthony Thorne Wrote:Cross-posting this worthwhile news from the political assassinations forum. A new 843 pg. book on the assassination of Olof Palme - COUP D'ETAT IN SLOW MOTION: THE MURDER OF OLOF PALME - was published a few weeks ago by Swedish journalist Ole Dammegard. Dammegard has decided to release his book for free online and is accepting Paypal donations on his site if anyone cares to reimburse him, but the book in its entirety is free. I have uploaded the book to Scribd at the following link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/124904667/Coup...Olof-Palme
Dammegard's website is here -
http://www.oledammegard.com/
and an hour long interview with Dammegard is below. (The interview doesn't begin till one and a half minutes in, so skip the flashy opening credits of the radio show if you find them disagreeable).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plwuqaCnSO0
Anthony, I'm in contact with Ole. He spent 12 YEARS trying to find a publisher and many more years on the research. While I believe in dissemination of information, I wish you'd not have [or would remove] his ebook from scribd. On his own site one can download/freeload it for free...but at least he has the CHANCE someone will contribute. He's poor....and it being on scribd will not help him get the funds for the past or his hopes for the future [detailed on his website.]. Your intentions may have been well intentioned...but.....
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Good point. I (stupidly) hadn't considered that people would obviously be encountering the book on Scribd, and reading it there, without the accompanying notes regarding donations that I'd noted on this forum. I've deleted the book from the Scribd page. Please give Ole my apologies and let him know that I will now just be posting links to his website and his accompanying donations page to help spread word about the book.
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If any one can post a link to the download of Ole's book it would be appreciated. His web site seems to not be online any more and Anthony's Scribd link iis gone too.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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Magda Hassan Wrote:If any one can post a link to the download of Ole's book it would be appreciated. His web site seems to not be online any more and Anthony's Scribd link iis gone too.
It's available on Wikispooks too
Worth checking the site for such things. There are over 200 ebooks there now - many not properly catalogued & categorised yet though. A search on a title (or part-title) preceded by "File:" is usually sufficient to find what you're after - if its there.
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Peter Presland Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:If any one can post a link to the download of Ole's book it would be appreciated. His web site seems to not be online any more and Anthony's Scribd link iis gone too.
It's available on Wikispooks too
Worth checking the site for such things. There are over 200 ebooks there now - many not properly catalogued & categorised yet though. A search on a title (or part-title) preceded by "File:" is usually sufficient to find what you're after - if its there.
Thanks Peter. I'll go and have a look for it. I am in need of some new reading material so I'll have a hunt around for some others too. Good to know. : ![Worship Worship](https://deeppoliticsforum.com/fora/images/smilies/worship.gif) :
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