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"Seven Days in May" - the movie - Is being shown on the Turner Classic Movies (TCM-TV) in one hour
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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Nice one Magda. Its a little different though because its not art, but life.

BTW, speaking of what passes for life and art in America these days: I kind of lost interest in the Oscars many years ago. I mean when films like Dr. Strangelove, Bonnie and Clyde and The Grduate didn't win, and when The Wild Bunch (for me, the greatest Western ever) did not even get nominated, then something was wrong some place.

But I am glad that this year some fairly good historical films got nominated like Lincoln, Argo and the more current Zero Dark Thirty.

I didn't like all of them, I mean I wrote a pretty negative review of the last film at Bob Parry's site. But at least they got made. I kind of liked Argo and thought the script of that was both clever and funny with some really neat one liners. I thought Lincoln was a bit talky and stuffy, but with some really wonderful acting in it especially by the fantastic Daniel Day Lewis and the fine Tommy Lee Jones.

I didn't think very highly of the movie version of Le Miz, and please do not get me started on the latest Quentin Tarantino revenge fantasy for adults. WHen my students ask me if I saw Django Unchained I said, "I wouldn't see a Quentin Tarantino movie if the studio rented the theater just for me, picked me up in a Lincoln limousine, and served me a bucket of Dom Perignon champagne during the screening."

They ask me, "What's Dom Perignon?" I reply, "Don't worry you'll never drink it."

Actually I think its ridiculous to nominate ten films for Best Picture. I mean, it was tough to come up with five most years.

But anyway if Ben Affleck, Day Lewis and Tommy Lee win, it will be a good night.

Zero Dark Thirty? Are you serious??? The propaganda film that glorifies torture?
That film will never darken my door.

Dawn
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:Zero Dark Thirty? Are you serious??? The propaganda film that glorifies torture?
That film will never darken my door.

Dawn

You mean you don't think it's really neat?
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#53
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Seven Days in May, the starting point of this thread, is a double helix with Executive Action, twin cases of power elites removing the chief executive by extreme prejudice.

The ability of film--and live-action spectacle, e.g., motor racing--to reach people of all nationalities has been demonstrated with Zapruder (HSCA) and JFK (JFK Act).

In this era the mass is not involved in deep political thought.

How can it be hooked in the manner of Zapurder and JFK.

There are very experienced media people here who can play upon that question with continuing contribution to the shared goal of justice.

Absent the involvement of the mass (Nascar nation, Oscar-watching, Everyman and Everywoman) the hope may crash and burn.

Phil - nicely done.

Yes, deep political insight into the Oscars and the Indy 500 is indeed possible and welcome.

For non-Americans, it's no surprize that America's most popular sport - American Football - is perhaps the most violent permitted in any country in the world.

The last couple of decades has seen a fascinating archaeological/anthropological debate take place over the nature of ritual conflict and sport in south and central America.

There are modern indigenous ritual encounters (sporting events?) in the Andes known as tinku,

Quote:History

The Andean tradition began with the indigenous belief in Pachamama, or Mother Nature. The combat is in praise of Pachamama, and any blood shed throughout the fighting is considered a sacrifice, in hopes of a fruitful harvest and fertility. Because of the violent nature of the tradition there have been fatalities, but each death is considered a sacrifice which brings forth life, and a donation to the land that fertilizes it.[2] The brawls are also considered a means of release of frustration and anger between the separate communities. Tinkus usually last two to three days.[3] During this time, participants will stop every now and then to eat, sleep, or drink.
Groups who participate

Tinkus occur "between different communities, moieties, or kin groups". They are prearranged and usually take place in the small towns of southern Bolivia, like Macha and Pocoata. Tinkus are very festive, with a numerous audience of men, women and children, who bring food and beverages. Alcoholic drinks are also brought and sold along with food during the tinku.
Methods of combat

During the brawl itself, men will often carry rocks in their hands to have greater force in their punches, or they will just throw them at opponents. Sometimes, especially in the town of Macha in Potosí, where the brawl gets the most violent, men will wrap strips of cloth with shards of glass stuck to them around their fists to cause greater damage. Slingshots and whips are also used, though not as much as hand-to-hand combat.[2] The last day of the fight is considered the most violent and police almost always have to separate the mass of bloody men and women.
Attire

Men attend tinkus wearing traditional monteras, or thick helmet-like hats made of thick leather, resembling helmets from the Conquistadors. These helmets are oftentimes painted and decorated with feathers.[3] Their pants are usually simple black or white with traditional embroidering near their feet. Oftentimes the men wear wide thick belts tied around their waist and stomach for more protection.[1]
Festive Tinku Dance

The Festive Tinku, a much more pleasant experience than a ceremonial tinku, has many differences. It has been accepted as a cultural dance in the whole nation of Bolivia. Tinku music has a loud constant drum beat to give it a native warlike feel, while charangos, guitars, and zampoñas (panpipes) play melodies.[2] The dancers perform with combat like movements, following the heavy beat of the drum.
Costumes

For men, the costumes are more colorful. Their monteras are usually decorated with long colorful feathers. Tinku Suits, or the outfits men wear during Festive Tinku performances, are usually made with bold colors to symbolize power and strength, instead of the neutral colors worn in ceremonial tinkus that help participants blend in. Women wear long embroidered skirts and colorful tops. Their costumes are completed by extravagant hats, painted and decorated with various long and colorful feathers and ribbons. Men and women wear walking sandals so they can move and jump easily.[1]
Dance

The dance is performed in a crouching stance, bending at the waist. Arms are thrown out and there are various kicks, while the performers move in circles following the beat of the drum. Every jump from one foot to the next is followed by a hard stomp and a thrown fist to signify the violence from the ceremonial tinku. Many times the dancers will hold basic and traditional instruments in their hands that they will use as they stomp, just to add more noise for a greater effect.

These ritual encounters would sometimes result in local village rivalries being settled with bloody injuries but little or no death.

The theory emerged that much ancient Andean conflict was actually ritual in nature, because populations in remote areas were often small and high fatality numbers risked the existence of the communities. The shedding of blood satisfied Pachamama. There was no need for death.

However, archaeological digging at sacred sites - first in Mayan ball courts in central America, and more recently in Moche and other Andean ritual spaces - has revealed evidence of mass death and sacrifice, and interpretations have necessarily changed.

The dominant theory now is that the ritual warfare of modern tinku is a new form, evolved out of real bloodshed and mass fatality in past centuries.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#54
Jan

Your depiction of Andean tinku goes to the heart of the opposition to John F. Kennedy.

Ted Dealey used "Caroline's pink tricycle" to mock JFK for failing to present as sufficiently macho.

The generals portrayed in Seven Days in May are fictional representations of Curtis LeMay's archetype.

The Superbowl is a stylized ritual which catches much of the competitive juices with no other outlet.

The war in Vietnam was a rush to prove the supremacy of U.S. military technology in a primitive theater.

Is it reflected in Avatar. And LBJ's "trying to show that little Ho Chi Minh" only showed him he was over his head.

John Kennedy had been there in 1951 and that would be depicted in any production of Jim Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable.

Many aspects of Brave New World are blended with 1984 to create this matrix wherein images are distorted for the needs of the state.

A transition to androgyny is afoot, is it not. In conjunction with globalization. To simplify marketing the new corporate fascism.

Ein sex, ein volk, ein fuerher: corporate organization in classic pyramid shape.

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They would like to think final defeat of Thermopylae is this November in Dallas.

But their concepts are ossified and it is a digital age.

The generals are dinosaurs.

We all are Network.

Venceremos.*

*By any means necessary


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#55
Bladerunner - never connected with it. Watched Once. No idea what ending. Didn't care after a point. A classic failure to communicate with me.

The psyop of ZD30 to legitimize torture I REFUTE. Fight war totally b***s out, but one cannot defeat an enemy by becoming as vile as the enemy.

Me and "thrill rituals"? Nah!

I just liked to go really fast and was pretty damn good at both driving and wrenchin'. Both gifts bestowed by a creator and having nothing to do with spectacle, only with ability.
I look back and I see that I did a bunch of things by choice that few could do by any means. Hmmmmm.
Deep Politics in the creation of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Fisher/Wheeler/Allison? "Capt. Eddie" Rickenbacker?
Just where did Tony Hulman go to college?
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Back to Seven Days in May, one of my favorite films, with a screenplay from one of my favorite TV writers. Here's a collection of material I've gathered about this subject.

Rod Serling's friend Doug Brode, who, along with Serling's widow, Carol, wrote "Rod Serling and 'The Twilight Zone:' The 50th Anniversary Tribute" (2009), recalled: "Rod had an open mind to the good, the bad and the in-between of technology. He was a guarded optimist until the Kennedy assassination. After that, his work reflected his sense of hopelessness." (NYT 7/7/11)

6/12/1962 A United Artists executive, Robert Blumofe, says in a letter to Edward Lewis that he declined to consider making a film of the book Seven Days in May because of the negative image it might project abroad "and the inevitable and implacable opposition of the military." "If…the Executive branch of the Government were to encourage the making of this film, I'd certainly be happy to reconsider it with you at that time," he wrote.

9/6/1962 Rod Serling letter to Kirk Douglas: "I very much share your enthusiasm for the Seven Days in May' project. I also count myself extremely lucky to finally get this opportunity to work with you. The project has not only great import, but is the most eminently dramatizeable story I've seen in many a moon."

2/6/1963 Letter from Charles Bailey and Fletcher Knebel to Kirk Douglas about the making of the film Seven Days in May, critiquing Rod Serling's screenplay. They believe that Serling has made their book too black and white, too much of an indictment of the military, and it needs to be toned down.

2/8/1963 Stanley Kubrick letter to Kirk Douglas, about Rod Serling's screenplay. He urges that the film try not to compromise on the message about the need for civilian control over the military. Kubrick reminds Douglas of Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" speech.

8/23/1963 Kirk Douglas memo to Bryna head producer Edward Lewis regarding an early cut of the film, and how the ending needed to be redone.

Director John Frankenheimer filmed shots for the movie "Seven Days in May" on board the carrier Kitty Hawk in 1963. In an early example of guerrilla filmmaking, Frankenheimer photographed Martin Balsam being ferried out to the now-decommissioned supercarrier USS Kitty Hawk (CVA-63, redesignated CV-63 in the mid-1970s), berthed at Naval Air Station North Island in San Diego without prior Defense Department permission. He also wanted a shot of Kirk Douglas entering the Pentagon, but could not get permission because of security considerations, so he rigged a movie camera in a parked station wagon to photograph Douglas walking up to the Pentagon. Douglas actually received salutes from military personnel inasmuch as he was wearing the uniform of a U.S. Marine Corps colonel.

10/2/1963 "If the United States ever experiences a 'Seven Days in May' it will come from the CIA, and not from the Pentagon," one U.S. official commented caustically. ("Seven Days in May" is a fictional account of an attempted military coup to take over the U.S. Government.) (The Washington Daily News, Wednesday, October 2, 1963, p.3
'SPOOKS' MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR AMBASSADOR LODGE by Richard Starnes)

11/19/1963 Look magazine ran a photo essay by Fletcher Knebel on the making of the film Seven Days in May. The journalist revealed the rampant anxieties that the film's production had set off in Washington. "At the outset of filming, the moviemakers had a call from still another arm of government. The Secret Service was alarmed at a spurious report that the movie involved a President's assassination."

Seven Days in May was originally scheduled for release in December 1963 but Burt Lancaster insisted the release date be postponed as it was too soon after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The same fate befell Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, which was also scheduled for a December 1963 opening.

2/12/1963 The John Frankenheimer film Seven Days in May premieres. Originally a bestselling political thriller by Charles Waldo Bailey II and Fletcher Knebel (published 1962 by Harper and Row). It was filmed with the cooperation of the Kennedy administration. Ted Sorensen recalled that JFK joked darkly about how "I know a couple [of Joint Chiefs] who wish they could" overthrow him. (Kennedy p684). Arthur Schlesinger related how Kennedy saw the book as "a warning to the republic." (RFK and his Times 485)

Frankenheimer recalled, "President Kennedy wanted Seven Days in May made. Pierre Salinger conveyed this to us. The Pentagon didn't want it done. Kennedy said that when we wanted to shoot at the White House he would conveniently go to Hyannis Port that weekend." (The Celluloid Muse: Hollywood Directors Speak, Charles Higham and Joel Greenberg, 1972 Signet, p92)

The president's friend Paul Fay, Jr., told of an incident that showed JFK was keenly conscious of the peril of a military coup d'etat. One summer weekend in 1962 while out sailing with friends, Kennedy was asked what he thought of Seven Days in May, a best-selling novel that described a military takeover in the United States. JFK said he would read the book. He did so that night. The next day Kennedy discussed with his friends the possibility of their seeing such a coup in the United States. Consider that he said these words after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion and before the Cuban Missile Crisis: " It's possible. It could happen in this country, but the conditions would have to be just right. If, for example, the country had a young President, and he had a Bay of Pigs, there would be a certain uneasiness. Maybe the military would do a little criticizing behind his back, but this would be written off as the usual military dissatisfaction with civilian control. Then if there were another Bay of Pigs, the reaction of the country would be, 'Is he too young and inexperienced ? ' The military would almost feel that it was their patriotic obligation to stand ready to preserve the integrity of the nation, and only God knows j ust what segment of democracy they would be defending if they overthrew the elected establishment. " Pausing a moment, he went on, "Then, if there were a third Bay of Pigs, it could happen. " Waiting again until his listeners absorbed his meaning, he concluded with an old Navy phrase, " But it won't happen on my watch. " (Fay, The Pleasure of His Company 190)

"A voice next to me said, "do you intend to make a movie out of Seven Days in May?"
I turned. President Kennedy! "Yes, Mr. President."
"Good." He spent the next twenty minutes, while our dinner got cold, telling me that he thought it would make an excellent movie." (Kirk Douglas, Ragman's Son, p349)

According to David Talbot, the novel was published in September 1962 and JFK had received an advance copy from Knebel in late summer. (Brothers) Knebel said he got the idea for the book after interviewing Curtis LeMay, who at one point went off the record to fume against Kennedy's "cowardice" at the Bay of Pigs. (NYT 2/28/1993) Kennedy quickly read the book and others in his inner circle did as well. JFK contacted director John Frankenheimer, who had been working on The Manchurian Candidate (another Cold War thriller JFK was a huge fan of) and encouraged him to turn Seven Days into a film. "Kennedy wanted Seven Days in May to be made as a warning to the generals," recalled Arthur Schlesinger. "The president said the first thing I'm going to tell my successor is Don't trust the military men even on military matters." (Talbot interview with Schlesinger, Brothers). Sinatra had gotten Kennedy to intervene with United Artists to get The Manchurian Candidate made, when the studio began to get cold feet. (Sinatra interview, 1988 video release) Kirk Douglas' production company acquired the rights to the novel even before it was published. (Brothers, Talbot)

An opinion writer in the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner (3/5/1964) questioned whether films like Seven Days should be made: "The world is on too short a fuse" and pictures like this damaged "the American image abroad." A Los Angeles Times columnist (2/6/1964) felt compelled to reassure his readers that a military coup couldn't happen in America, quoting none other than retired admiral Arleigh Burke to support his case. Congressman Melvin Laird called for the movie to be clearly labeled fiction before it was shown overseas. (Variety 5/13/1964)

John Frankenheimer years later pointed out, "Paranoia only exists if the circumstances are totally untrue." As for The Manchurian Candidate, he said history has "vividly demonstrated that there are lots and lots of plots to assassinate presidents and high-ranking figures for political gain…There's a certain grotesque reality about The Manchurian Candidate. And as far as Seven Days in May is concerned, we know that there was a very definite group in the military that would have, at one point, liked to have taken over the government…The extreme right has been very, very effective in undermining quite a few things that could've changed the destiny of this country." (HBO Website interview)

Frankenheimer's widow recalled that her husband never believed the lone gunman theory of JFK's killing. She said that John would discuss his ideas about the assassination with Bobby Kennedy, with whom he drew close in 1968 while filming his presidential campaign ads. Both men agreed there were other forces at work in Dallas beside Oswald. (Brothers, Talbot)
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#57
It's a testimony to the power of the Unspeakable that the latency of 'Seven Days' would have no effect on Americans in regards to taking action against the obvious coup.
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#58
Tracy - thank you. Lots of fascinating material.

I'm not sure the role of intriguing characters such as Frank Sinatra, Stanley Kubrick, Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas has been considered strongly enough in the context of which films got made and when during the 60s and in Kubrick's case, throughout his curtailed career.

I note that Tina Sinatra was a producer on the 2004 remake of The Manchurian Candidate.

Tracy Riddle Wrote:The president's friend Paul Fay, Jr., told of an incident that showed JFK was keenly conscious of the peril of a military coup d'etat. One summer weekend in 1962 while out sailing with friends, Kennedy was asked what he thought of Seven Days in May, a best-selling novel that described a military takeover in the United States. JFK said he would read the book. He did so that night. The next day Kennedy discussed with his friends the possibility of their seeing such a coup in the United States. Consider that he said these words after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion and before the Cuban Missile Crisis: " It's possible. It could happen in this country, but the conditions would have to be just right. If, for example, the country had a young President, and he had a Bay of Pigs, there would be a certain uneasiness. Maybe the military would do a little criticizing behind his back, but this would be written off as the usual military dissatisfaction with civilian control. Then if there were another Bay of Pigs, the reaction of the country would be, 'Is he too young and inexperienced ? ' The military would almost feel that it was their patriotic obligation to stand ready to preserve the integrity of the nation, and only God knows j ust what segment of democracy they would be defending if they overthrew the elected establishment. " Pausing a moment, he went on, "Then, if there were a third Bay of Pigs, it could happen. " Waiting again until his listeners absorbed his meaning, he concluded with an old Navy phrase, " But it won't happen on my watch. " (Fay, The Pleasure of His Company 190)

So that is the long version of the quote used by Oliver Stone in Untold History - see post #3 here.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#59
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Back to Seven Days in May, one of my favorite films, with a screenplay from one of my favorite TV writers. Here's a collection of material I've gathered about this subject.

Rod Serling's friend Doug Brode, who, along with Serling's widow, Carol, wrote "Rod Serling and 'The Twilight Zone:' The 50th Anniversary Tribute" (2009), recalled: "Rod had an open mind to the good, the bad and the in-between of technology. He was a guarded optimist until the Kennedy assassination. After that, his work reflected his sense of hopelessness." (NYT 7/7/11)

6/12/1962 A United Artists executive, Robert Blumofe, says in a letter to Edward Lewis that he declined to consider making a film of the book Seven Days in May because of the negative image it might project abroad "and the inevitable and implacable opposition of the military." "If…the Executive branch of the Government were to encourage the making of this film, I'd certainly be happy to reconsider it with you at that time," he wrote.

9/6/1962 Rod Serling letter to Kirk Douglas: "I very much share your enthusiasm for the Seven Days in May' project. I also count myself extremely lucky to finally get this opportunity to work with you. The project has not only great import, but is the most eminently dramatizeable story I've seen in many a moon."

2/6/1963 Letter from Charles Bailey and Fletcher Knebel to Kirk Douglas about the making of the film Seven Days in May, critiquing Rod Serling's screenplay. They believe that Serling has made their book too black and white, too much of an indictment of the military, and it needs to be toned down.

2/8/1963 Stanley Kubrick letter to Kirk Douglas, about Rod Serling's screenplay. He urges that the film try not to compromise on the message about the need for civilian control over the military. Kubrick reminds Douglas of Eisenhower's "military-industrial complex" speech.

8/23/1963 Kirk Douglas memo to Bryna head producer Edward Lewis regarding an early cut of the film, and how the ending needed to be redone.

Director John Frankenheimer filmed shots for the movie "Seven Days in May" on board the carrier Kitty Hawk in 1963. In an early example of guerrilla filmmaking, Frankenheimer photographed Martin Balsam being ferried out to the now-decommissioned supercarrier USS Kitty Hawk (CVA-63, redesignated CV-63 in the mid-1970s), berthed at Naval Air Station North Island in San Diego without prior Defense Department permission. He also wanted a shot of Kirk Douglas entering the Pentagon, but could not get permission because of security considerations, so he rigged a movie camera in a parked station wagon to photograph Douglas walking up to the Pentagon. Douglas actually received salutes from military personnel inasmuch as he was wearing the uniform of a U.S. Marine Corps colonel.

10/2/1963 "If the United States ever experiences a 'Seven Days in May' it will come from the CIA, and not from the Pentagon," one U.S. official commented caustically. ("Seven Days in May" is a fictional account of an attempted military coup to take over the U.S. Government.) (The Washington Daily News, Wednesday, October 2, 1963, p.3
'SPOOKS' MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR AMBASSADOR LODGE by Richard Starnes)

11/19/1963 Look magazine ran a photo essay by Fletcher Knebel on the making of the film Seven Days in May. The journalist revealed the rampant anxieties that the film's production had set off in Washington. "At the outset of filming, the moviemakers had a call from still another arm of government. The Secret Service was alarmed at a spurious report that the movie involved a President's assassination."

Seven Days in May was originally scheduled for release in December 1963 but Burt Lancaster insisted the release date be postponed as it was too soon after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The same fate befell Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, which was also scheduled for a December 1963 opening.

2/12/1963 The John Frankenheimer film Seven Days in May premieres. Originally a bestselling political thriller by Charles Waldo Bailey II and Fletcher Knebel (published 1962 by Harper and Row). It was filmed with the cooperation of the Kennedy administration. Ted Sorensen recalled that JFK joked darkly about how "I know a couple [of Joint Chiefs] who wish they could" overthrow him. (Kennedy p684). Arthur Schlesinger related how Kennedy saw the book as "a warning to the republic." (RFK and his Times 485)

Frankenheimer recalled, "President Kennedy wanted Seven Days in May made. Pierre Salinger conveyed this to us. The Pentagon didn't want it done. Kennedy said that when we wanted to shoot at the White House he would conveniently go to Hyannis Port that weekend." (The Celluloid Muse: Hollywood Directors Speak, Charles Higham and Joel Greenberg, 1972 Signet, p92)

The president's friend Paul Fay, Jr., told of an incident that showed JFK was keenly conscious of the peril of a military coup d'etat. One summer weekend in 1962 while out sailing with friends, Kennedy was asked what he thought of Seven Days in May, a best-selling novel that described a military takeover in the United States. JFK said he would read the book. He did so that night. The next day Kennedy discussed with his friends the possibility of their seeing such a coup in the United States. Consider that he said these words after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion and before the Cuban Missile Crisis: " It's possible. It could happen in this country, but the conditions would have to be just right. If, for example, the country had a young President, and he had a Bay of Pigs, there would be a certain uneasiness. Maybe the military would do a little criticizing behind his back, but this would be written off as the usual military dissatisfaction with civilian control. Then if there were another Bay of Pigs, the reaction of the country would be, 'Is he too young and inexperienced ? ' The military would almost feel that it was their patriotic obligation to stand ready to preserve the integrity of the nation, and only God knows j ust what segment of democracy they would be defending if they overthrew the elected establishment. " Pausing a moment, he went on, "Then, if there were a third Bay of Pigs, it could happen. " Waiting again until his listeners absorbed his meaning, he concluded with an old Navy phrase, " But it won't happen on my watch. " (Fay, The Pleasure of His Company 190)

"A voice next to me said, "do you intend to make a movie out of Seven Days in May?"
I turned. President Kennedy! "Yes, Mr. President."
"Good." He spent the next twenty minutes, while our dinner got cold, telling me that he thought it would make an excellent movie." (Kirk Douglas, Ragman's Son, p349)

According to David Talbot, the novel was published in September 1962 and JFK had received an advance copy from Knebel in late summer. (Brothers) Knebel said he got the idea for the book after interviewing Curtis LeMay, who at one point went off the record to fume against Kennedy's "cowardice" at the Bay of Pigs. (NYT 2/28/1993) Kennedy quickly read the book and others in his inner circle did as well. JFK contacted director John Frankenheimer, who had been working on The Manchurian Candidate (another Cold War thriller JFK was a huge fan of) and encouraged him to turn Seven Days into a film. "Kennedy wanted Seven Days in May to be made as a warning to the generals," recalled Arthur Schlesinger. "The president said the first thing I'm going to tell my successor is Don't trust the military men even on military matters." (Talbot interview with Schlesinger, Brothers). Sinatra had gotten Kennedy to intervene with United Artists to get The Manchurian Candidate made, when the studio began to get cold feet. (Sinatra interview, 1988 video release) Kirk Douglas' production company acquired the rights to the novel even before it was published. (Brothers, Talbot)

An opinion writer in the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner (3/5/1964) questioned whether films like Seven Days should be made: "The world is on too short a fuse" and pictures like this damaged "the American image abroad." A Los Angeles Times columnist (2/6/1964) felt compelled to reassure his readers that a military coup couldn't happen in America, quoting none other than retired admiral Arleigh Burke to support his case. Congressman Melvin Laird called for the movie to be clearly labeled fiction before it was shown overseas. (Variety 5/13/1964)

John Frankenheimer years later pointed out, "Paranoia only exists if the circumstances are totally untrue." As for The Manchurian Candidate, he said history has "vividly demonstrated that there are lots and lots of plots to assassinate presidents and high-ranking figures for political gain…There's a certain grotesque reality about The Manchurian Candidate. And as far as Seven Days in May is concerned, we know that there was a very definite group in the military that would have, at one point, liked to have taken over the government…The extreme right has been very, very effective in undermining quite a few things that could've changed the destiny of this country." (HBO Website interview)

Frankenheimer's widow recalled that her husband never believed the lone gunman theory of JFK's killing. She said that John would discuss his ideas about the assassination with Bobby Kennedy, with whom he drew close in 1968 while filming his presidential campaign ads. Both men agreed there were other forces at work in Dallas beside Oswald. (Brothers, Talbot)

Great collection of thoughts, words, and deeds related to Seven Days In May...a GREAT film - that I only recently RE-watched. It holds up just fine....it really was prescient of what was about to happen. Sadly, JFK was wrong...it did happen on his 'watch'......and sad for us and the USA, which has never recovered and never will until most accept the horrible truths of who/why/and what was behind it all - the 'Unspeakable' Truth.
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