08-10-2009, 06:14 AM (This post was last modified: 08-10-2009, 06:18 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
James Richards Wrote:Peter and Magda,
Good work, you are on the right track. One thing, Schlachter as the Umbrella Man will run you in circles so may I suggest to follow the Nugan Hand trail. Just to add a degree of difficulty, it goes in reverse. This leads to Tom Clines and we know where he comes from and who his connections were.
This is very complicated but worth pursuing. I can not offer sources but this angle can potentially connect Nagell to Clarence Ward Bishop aka Col. William Bishop aka John Adrian O'Hare and this in turn connects to what Nagell may really have known and why he fired a revolver in a Texas bank.
James
Bump for James Richards' post and this thread in its entirety.
In brief, it has long been my feeling that many of the players in the Dallas Coup were told or chose to move to SEA CIA ops [or those off-the-shelf ones in orbit around them] and their were involved in Pheonix, Nugan-Hand and other dirt. Certain important persons wanted them out of the USA and out of sight, but still pulling Ops as they had before, during and after Dallas. These people and events intertwine with Terpil and Wilson, Quadaffi, various planes bombed out of the sky, Iran-Contra, various assassinations, and various government overthrows - or attempts at same. The saddest thing is they mostly were never brought to justice and the few still alive and their heirs carry-on this kind of mayhem for the Elites that pull the strings. To them there are no democracies - only those with power and those [the most of us] without, who they play like pawns on a chessboard. Gun and drug running, money laundering, illegal operations on all scales, power-plays and king maker/breakers, etc. All for money, power and control. Out of this bunch we also got Murdock and the other media-control corps - read propaganda machinery.
Why do you think they call 'the Company' 'the Company'? No coincidence. :marchmellow:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Nagell's letter evokes William S. Burrough's Naked Lunch.
The operative aspect of Burrough's life being heroin.
Heroin being stipulated in this thread as contributing much, though not necessarily most or all, of the casus belli.
Nagell's tone is breathless, a parody of paranoia, camping about in the dance of the Seven Eyes-Only Files.
A colonel friend of ours recounted once executing orders to escort an Apocalypse-esque drug caravan through his area from that of a Viet Cong area. An order he received and executed without question--from his chain of command.
A friend, retired from a life in finance in Boston and New York, raged that Brown and Root would go to Johnson for a new check for a billion dollars each week.
The work of Prouty and others is full of significant mention of Bell helicopters, the money made prior to the placing of the orders by inside traders.
Groden and Prouty and Stone's reference to NSAM 263 reversed by NSAM 273 signed the Tuesday after the riderless horse, first day of business under New Management--though circulated prior to The Big Dance in draft form.
And Ruppert who took his Venezuelan sabbatical, citing Nixon as the Superfly.
His comrade in whistleblowing John Carman (formerly customscorruption.com) framed in Mexico by U.S. Feds and doing time in Federal prison for having outed so much U.S. government complicity in trafficking.
Did not 43 refer to Johnny Sutton as "my dear friend" and did these not "make an example of" Ramos and Compean for interrupting the free flow of drugs at market prices, the Chinese precursor-fuelled/Mexican-superlab meth, and of course the Afghan/Pokemon connection.
Nagell is rabid. He has so much to say. He is so deathly afraid of saying it.
It is as though one had Jack Ruby's Weekend with Benzedrine reading from Finegan's Wake.
Assassination research as a rather long and good-natured footnote for those who could not stay awake through the camouflage of tedium.
I am adding Nagell to my must-read, after JFKU.
Thank you all. Your pay is not in seminar scrip but historic gold.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS WILL BE OF ANY USE IN A COMP....PERHAPS JAMES HAS A YOUNGER VERSION..OF HIM.. JAMES...B..
Interesting to see Wilson old. He was convicted of mostly trumped-up falsehoods, however, was hardly innocent of many crimes - but I suspect he was working under orders doing them, rather than being 'rogue'..... He knows much, but they silenced him and I don't think we'll hear from him unless he leaves something after his death.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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I, Edward P. Cutolo, having been duly sworn, do state under oath;
1. I am currently the Commanding Officer of the 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces, Fort Devens, Massachusetts.
2. I swear affirmation to the contents of this affidavit freely and without coercion or threat to my person.
3.In Dec., 1975, I spoke with Col. "Bo" Baker concerning a classified mission he commanded during that month, inside Colombia. The mission was known as Watch Tower.
4. Following a lengthy discussion with Col. Baker, I was introduced to Mr. Edwin Wilson and Mr. Frank Terpil. Both Wilson and Terpil were in the employ of the Central Intelligence Agency. Both Wilson and Terpil inquired if I was interested in working for short periods of time in Colombia and I acknowledged that I was.
5. In Feb., 1976, I commanded the second Watch Tower Mission into Columbia.
6. The purpose of Operation Watch Tower was to establish a series of three electronic beacon towers beginning outside of Bogota, Colombia and running northeast to the border of Panama. Once the Watch Tower teams (Special Action Teams) were in place, the beacon was activated to emit a signal that aircraft could fix on and fly undetected from Bogota into Panama, then land at Albrook Air Station. 7. During the Feb., 1976, Watch Tower Mission, 30 high performance aircraft landed safely at Albrook Air Station where the planes were met by Col. Tony Noriega, who is a Panama Defence Force Officer currently assigned to the Customs and Intelligence Section. Noriega normally was in the company of other PDF officers known to me as Major Diaz Herrera, Major Luis del Cid, Major Ramirez. Also present at most of the arrivals, was Edwin Wilson, and an unidentified male Israeli national.
Affidavit runs to 86 points including the following passage:
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71. During the conversation with Edwin Wilson I was informed of the sensitive data related to Archbishop Romero. He also spoke to me concerning operation Watch Tower and the geopolitical climate in Latin America and the need to maintain security. I notified him that I had requested to release intelligence gathered from Operation Orwell to civilian police authorities involved in the Elaine Tyree murder and that the Staff Judge Advocate's Office had denied the request.
72. Edwin Wilson explained that Operation Watch Tower had to remain secret and gave these reasons: (1) If it became public knowledge it would undermine present governmental interests as well as those in the future. (2) There are similar operations being implemented elsewhere in the world. Wilson named the "Golden Triangle" of Southeast Asia and Pakistan. Wilson stated in both areas of the world the CIA and other intelligence agencies are using the illegal narcotics flow to support forces fighting to overthrow communist governments, or governments that are not friendly towards the U.S.. Wilson named several recognized officials of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Burma, Korea, Thailand and Cambodia as being aware and consenting to these arrangements, similar to the ones in Panama. (3) Wilson cited the military coup in Argentina in 1976, the coup in Peru in 1976, the fall of the Somoza Government in Nicaragua in 1979, and the growing civil war in El Salvador as examples of the need for operations like Watch Tower. As these operations funded the ongoing effort to combat communism and defeat actions directed against the United States or matters concerning the U.S.
73. Edwin Wilson explained that the profit from the sale of narcotics was laundered through a series of banks. Wilson stated that over 70% of the profits were laundered through the banks in Panama. The remaining percentage was funneled through Swiss banks with a small remainder being handled by banks within the U.S. Wilson indicated that a large portion of the profits are brought into the banks of Panama without being checked. I understood that some of the profits in Panamanian banks arrived through Israeli couriers. I became aware of that fact from normal conversations with some of the Embassy personnel assigned to the Embassy in Panama. Wilson also stated that an associate whom I don't know also aided in over seeing the laundering of funds, which was then used to purchase weapons to arm the various factions that the CIA saw as friendly towards the U. S. The associates name is Tom Clines. Wilson indicated that most of Operation Watch Tower was implemented on the authority of Clines. 74. I was notified by Edwin Wilson that the information forwarded to Wash. D.C., was disseminated to private corporations who were developing weapons for the Dept. of Defense. Those private corporations were encouraged to use the sensitive information gathered from surveillance on U.S. Senators and Representatives as leverage to manipulate those Congressmen into approving whatever costs the weapons systems incurred.
According to Nagell the Soviets knew of a plot to murder JFK and asked him to kill Oswald in order to stop it, since they knew Oswald's role as a patsy.
My question is this: The Soviets knew that Nagell did not carry out the threat and he was in jail. They knew that Oswald was alive and the plot was still to take place.
Then Oswald or somebody using his name, appeared in the Soviet embassy in Moscow. The Soviets knowing about Oswald and the plot, surely they would have recognized an effort to connect them to Oswald and to the plot. Before they were not invloved in this and yet they asked Nagell to kill Oswald.
After Oswald's visit in Mexico they were directly involved and they would have a stronger motive to intervene. They could have killed Oswald in Mexico
and blame it to a robbery or something or an accident. Things used to happen there. And yet they failed to act. Why???Can anyone explain this contradicting behaviour on the Soviets' part?
Your confusion arises from your appreciation of "the Soviets" as a monolithic political/ideological entity.
If, like me, you agree with James Douglass and George Michael Evica -- among others -- that the political assassination of Nikita Khrushchev came at the hands of the same "unspeakable" supra-national entity that murdered JFK, and that said entity so thoroughly permeates nation structures and systems as to effectively co-direct them in competition with the official myths' characters, then you must conclude that competing factions within "Soviet" intelligence and political operations were at work on the Nagell tactics.
Your confusion arises from your appreciation of "the Soviets" as a monolithic political/ideological entity.
If, like me, you agree with James Douglass and George Michael Evica -- among others -- that the political assassination of Nikita Khrushchev came at the hands of the same "unspeakable" supra-national entity that murdered JFK, and that said entity so thoroughly permeates nation structures and systems as to effectively co-direct them in competition with the official myths' characters, then you must conclude that competing factions within "Soviet" intelligence and political operations were at work on the Nagell tactics.
Charles
Well said, Charles.
GO_SECURE
monk
"It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep."
I appreciate your thinking. I sometimes wonder if Nechiporenko was cooperating with his CIA counterparts to implicate Oswald
with the Soviets to force the removal of both JFK and Kruschev since he wrote in his book that it was Oswald that visited the embassy.
It is more likely that Oswald never went down there, the description of blonde, 5ft6" tall indicates this.
However what the hardline Soviets would have done if Nagell had killed or injured Oswald?
And why the softline Soviets who knew of the plot and wanted to save JFK's life did not inform RFK or shooting Oswald in Mexico themselves?
Unless Nagell lied and it was never his intention to kill Oswald because the Soviets never told him anything like that.
And he ended up in jail to avoid involving himself in the plot or for some other undisclosed reason.
He blamed the Anti-Castro Cubans for pllaning it. Maybe his purpose was to exonerate the Soviets by saying what he said and false sponsor the Cuban exiles.
And to be allowd to travel to East Germany after all this...Complicated stuff and certainly not as simple Nagell made it sound.
Espionage is a multi-dimensional chessboard. Maybe the Soviets were trying to flip Oswald. Maybe the Soviets were trying to flip people in cahoots with Oswald. Keeping Oswald alive may have been more important than killing him. In the end the Soviets could have decided to exploit the right-wing American coup to their advantage.
