You mention Peter Levenda. I just heard of his Ratline whose Chapter Ten investigates whether Hitler, using a body double, escaped to the Philippines.
The skull in Russian possession presenting female DNA.
Regarding Charlie, his great ethnic fomentation suggesting kinship with Jim Jones, Ultra Puppets.
If in Preparata's analysis, Montagu Norman with a little help from the wealthy clients of the Sea Powers (Allen Dulles, pick up the white courtesy phone), could conjure Hitler,
why wouldn't the magician put the props and dummies back into the trunk for the next venue.
That one of the Manson daughters tried to pop a cap in Gerald McBoingBoing is mere coincidence.
And of course, amphetamine* was an early tool to produce a model psychosis.
*One of Hitler's basic food groups. Likely related to the food pellets issued Charlie and Jim and Sirhan.
Today, Holmes and Lanza enjoy a new generation of pharmacopeia's abundance.
Bugliosi and Posner--that behavior is genetic, requiring only the slightest tweaking with electronic bank deposit.
No I don't buy it. Charlie was a life-long fuck up who possessed a way with women and a motor-mouth.
The popular view of Charlie "Helter Skelter" Manson came entirely from Susan Atkins' save-her-own-neck LA Times article which Bugliosi exploited to the max.
Lee Harvey Manson, dig?
His ten-year cellie said he was an instinctive follower who never shut up. Who was he following during the murder spree?
Susan Atkins!
"Charlie" is a Vince Bugliosi/Susan Atkins' Production...
Has anyone read Nikolas Schreck's The Manson File?
I haven't, so I'm probably fudging some of this, but broadly I believe Schreck's hypothesis is that the Mob-Hollywood establishment closed ranks to protect its investment with Bugliosi and the LAPD presenting the cover story. These murders would have blown the lid off the sprawling decadence behind the scenes, with all sides known to each other and much cozier than anyone could admit. Watson and Manson were procuring for the likes of Polanski and Tate, Sebring and Frykowski were dealers, as was Rosemary LaBianca. At some point a war broke out. Schreck contends that Watson was actually invited to the Tate residence that night, but he intended to steal their supply. Tex was speeding, he freaked out, and the killings happened. Charlie went back with them to rearrange the scene in an effort to leave a false trail. The LaBiancas (I believe) owed them money, and the idea was to take Rosemary hostage. Things went wrong again.
Schreck spent a lot of time with Charlie (and compiled the book over some 25 years). He allows that Charlie had some native shamanic talent and is a true seeker on some level, but was fated to the life he ended up with. He says Charlie's a bad guy, sure, but Tex was the real deal.
Those Hollywood years were promising for a spell. Dennis Wilson (among others) was far more involved than we've been told, and his sad demise was driven by guilt. Official history tells us that Charlie's music career was a non-starter but it seems that a lot of people got behind the guy, and not just Dennis and Terry Melcher. Charlie's "career" actually had some gas. When the time came to anoint a patsy, Charlie was a natural, what with a personality like that and a basic criminal code of ethics that always prevented him from snitching.
I don't know if Schreck gives much or any credence to the intel-programmed-whatever angle; I think it's all just a big ol' criminal underworld massacre in his view, but it happened under the bright lights of America's entertainment industry, which threw a whole bunch of other weirdness into the picture. That said, there's no question that Charlie bumped up against some very suspect characters in his institutional journey. One other thing to note: Schreck, who is married to the daughter of Anton LaVey, dismisses the occult angle as sensationalism.
But no matter which theory compels the most, and returning to Jim's question... Helter Skelter is a lie.
It's in a bunch of different parts, but you'll find a fascinating three hour interview given by Nikolas Schreck to Tate Labianca Radio (TLB Radio) starting here (and again, apologies if I got some of the details wrong):
You mention Peter Levenda. I just heard of his Ratline whose Chapter Ten investigates whether Hitler, using a body double, escaped to the Philippines.
The skull in Russian possession presenting female DNA.
Simon Dunstan's and Gerard William's book Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler is well worth a read in connection with the post war survival of Hitler. It has been fairly widely disparaged by a variety of people and entities, but the evidence it presents is, for me, really very compelling.
Hitler escaped with Eva Braun, had two children, and lived out his life in Argentina.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Adrian Mack Wrote:Has anyone read Nikolas Schreck's The Manson File?
I haven't, so I'm probably fudging some of this, but broadly I believe Schreck's hypothesis is that the Mob-Hollywood establishment closed ranks to protect its investment with Bugliosi and the LAPD presenting the cover story. These murders would have blown the lid off the sprawling decadence behind the scenes, with all sides known to each other and much cozier than anyone could admit. Watson and Manson were procuring for the likes of Polanski and Tate, Sebring and Frykowski were dealers, as was Rosemary LaBianca. At some point a war broke out. Schreck contends that Watson was actually invited to the Tate residence that night, but he intended to steal their supply. Tex was speeding, he freaked out, and the killings happened. Charlie went back with them to rearrange the scene in an effort to leave a false trail. The LaBiancas (I believe) owed them money, and the idea was to take Rosemary hostage. Things went wrong again.
Schreck spent a lot of time with Charlie (and compiled the book over some 25 years). He allows that Charlie had some native shamanic talent and is a true seeker on some level, but was fated to the life he ended up with. He says Charlie's a bad guy, sure, but Tex was the real deal.
Those Hollywood years were promising for a spell. Dennis Wilson (among others) was far more involved than we've been told, and his sad demise was driven by guilt. Official history tells us that Charlie's music career was a non-starter but it seems that a lot of people got behind the guy, and not just Dennis and Terry Melcher. Charlie's "career" actually had some gas. When the time came to anoint a patsy, Charlie was a natural, what with a personality like that and a basic criminal code of ethics that always prevented him from snitching.
I don't know if Schreck gives much or any credence to the intel-programmed-whatever angle; I think it's all just a big ol' criminal underworld massacre in his view, but it happened under the bright lights of America's entertainment industry, which threw a whole bunch of other weirdness into the picture. That said, there's no question that Charlie bumped up against some very suspect characters in his institutional journey. One other thing to note: Schreck, who is married to the daughter of Anton LaVey, dismisses the occult angle as sensationalism.
But no matter which theory compels the most, and returning to Jim's question... Helter Skelter is a lie.
It's in a bunch of different parts, but you'll find a fascinating three hour interview given by Nikolas Schreck to Tate Labianca Radio (TLB Radio) starting here (and again, apologies if I got some of the details wrong):
Yes, once again, Helter Skelter is a lie, and Bugliosi's garbage is a limited hangout.
The question is: How Limited was the Official Narrative?
There clearly was a Hollywood drug dealing and hardcore pornography element to the Manson family killings.
Paul Krassner talks in the foreword to Book Three of Levenda's Sinister Forces of corrupt LAPD detectives offering to sell hardcore reels of various Hollywood celebrities having sex, including allegedly Sharon Tate with A-List actors, to "private collectors".
Dennis Hopper allegedly flogged (ie whipped) a drug dealer who had reneged on a deal, in front of guests at a Hollywood party, just weeks before the LaBianca-Tate slaughter. Hooper didn't have to look very far inside himself to find the Frank character from Blue Velvet.
Manson's abandoned film lot base in the desert, Spahn Ranch, had an arsenal of automatic weapons and Class A drugs. Numerous allegations of statutory rape of minors were also made to the LAPD. Who took forever to bust the ranch. Go figure.
For me, it's a given that the Manson family provided a lot of services to certain circles in Hollywood. They also represented a wild, uninhibited, primal behaviour that parts of Hollywood probably found very attractive.
Sharon Tate's father was army intelligence and undertook his own investigation into this world.
However, I think the criminal, drug and sex-obsessed elements are the surface glint of these events.
There are too many loose ends around Charlie, such as his ONI drug connection and the Process Church of the Final Judgement, and around the Manson family with their Manchurian Patsy presidential assassins, for me to consider sex, drugs and rock n' rock to be the whole story.
I believe the mindset that Levenda calls The Manson Secret is the key to this.
Another name for it is the Grotesque.
The lust for knowledge of how to create and control obscene murderous behaviour.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Adrian Mack Wrote:.....One other thing to note: Schreck, who is married to the daughter of Anton LaVey, dismisses the occult angle as sensationalism......
....Yes, once again, Helter Skelter is a lie, and Bugliosi's garbage is a limited hangout.
The question is: How Limited was the Official Narrative?.....
And Anton LaVey's ex Barbara marries Ted Gunderson. Small world.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Adrian Mack Wrote:.....One other thing to note: Schreck, who is married to the daughter of Anton LaVey, dismisses the occult angle as sensationalism......
....Yes, once again, Helter Skelter is a lie, and Bugliosi's garbage is a limited hangout.
The question is: How Limited was the Official Narrative?.....
And Anton LaVey's ex Barbara marries Ted Gunderson. Small world.
Schreck, who is married to the daughter of Anton LaVey, dismisses the occult angle as sensationalism......
Which is rather like the False Memory Syndrome dismissing claims of child sex abuse as sensationalism.
That was their alloted task, before they were busted as fraudulent snake oil salesmen.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Quote:See: Naval Intelligence, MKUltra and the Hippie Movement
It's highly entertaining Conspiracy Porn based primarily on guilt by association.
Quote:Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world in those early months of 1965, a new scene' is just beginning to take shape in the city of Los Angeles. In a geographically and socially isolated community known as Laurel Canyon a heavily wooded, rustic, serene, yet vaguely ominous slice of LA nestled in the hills that separate the Los Angeles basin from the San Fernando Valley musicians, singers and songwriters suddenly begin to gather as though summoned there by some unseen Pied Piper. Within months, the hippie/flower child' movement will be given birth there, along with the new style of music that will provide the soundtrack for the tumultuous second half of the 1960s.
An uncanny number of rock music superstars will emerge from Laurel Canyon beginning in the mid-1960s and carrying through the decade of the 1970s. The first to drop an album will be The Byrds, whose biggest star will prove to be David Crosby. The band's debut effort, "Mr. Tambourine Man," will be released on the Summer Solstice of 1965. It will quickly be followed by releases from the John Phillips-led Mamas and the Papas ("If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears," January 1966), Love with Arthur Lee ("Love," May 1966), Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention ("Freak Out," June 1966), Buffalo Springfield, featuring Stephen Stills and Neil Young ("Buffalo Springfield," October 1966), and The Doors ("The Doors," January 1967).
What a crock!
The Jefferson Airplane, the Grateful Dead, and Big Brother & the Holding Company all formed in 1965 in the San Francisco bay area.
If we are going to give credit for the creation of the hippie movement I'd argue it was Bill Graham and his concert promotions -- in conjunction with LSD.
In the 60's LSD was a popular dance party drug. Guess what folks?? -- in 2013 LSD is a popular dance party drug!!
LSD never went away -- only the hype went away...Except when students of "Deep Events" (bless us) over-think it...
Quote:The popular view of Charlie "Helter Skelter" Manson came entirely from Susan Atkins' save-her-own-neck LA Times article which Bugliosi exploited to the max.
Jim might also be interested to know that this was turned into the 1969 paperback The Killing of Sharon Tate, by... Lawrence Schiller.
