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New Film on TWA-800 Crash weeks away from release. Truthful Investigation or MLH?
#11
Any one claim it as theirs at the time?
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#12
Magda Hassan Wrote:Any one claim it as theirs at the time?



I'm pretty sure that after the 1993 Twin Tower bombing US was not interested in advertizing any claims if they appeared.
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#13
Albert Doyle Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:Any one claim it as theirs at the time?



I'm pretty sure that after the 1993 Twin Tower bombing US was not interested in advertizing any claims if they appeared.
Yes, there were supposed to have been around 700 groups claim that one. They can't all have done it.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#14
Watch Megan respond to her earphone and divert the scientific points Dr Stalcup made to a softball question Kallstrom uses to dodge the points he can't answer. This is a crime happening right in front of you on FOX News:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-gSLQQkPWU
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#15
This really is an informative clip.

The FBI animation showing that the aircraft continued ascending over several thousand feet, after the explosion (in order to account the radar track of the missile) truly is Mickey Mouse stuff. Laughable, were it not so sad.

Stalcup says that a missile with a proximity fuse exploded close to the aircraft and brought it down that way - rather than penetrated it, and that the FBI focused on "pitting" that would arise from direct missile impact. If true, it's a very cunning diversionary tactic of the FBI that allows them to say they studied, in great detail, the theory of a missile impact, but there was no evidence for it. There wouldn't be if your eyes were closed to it.

The FBI also say there were no witnesses who saw a missile strike, yet many have come forward (and had at the time, as I remember this as events unfolded - but none were allowed to testify). So Kalstrom has to denigrate witnesses as being unreliable - yet it is standard procedure to use witness testimony in both civil and criminal trials.

Kalstrom also keeps pulling out the emotion card in support of his increasingly untenable conclusions.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#16
If memory serves, there is/was indeed evidence inside the cabin to indicate that a missile entered and exited the aircraft and left exhaust residue in its wake.

Are we witnessing here a doppelganger-within-doppelganger gambit in the making, in which TWO types of missiles and TWO "official" USG investigations will be proffered in competition to facilitate the dissension and cognitive dissonance that we witness in the JFK conspiracy cover-up?
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#17
Democracynow! showed parts of the film...it looks good!...here is the transcript - go to their website to see the clips and interviews! http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/20/di..._about_twa

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: We begin with a look at shocking new claims about an airplane crash that happened 17 years ago. More than 200 people were killed when TWA Flight 800 burst into flames just minutes after taking off from New York on July 17th, 1996. The cause of that explosion has been in dispute ever since. Government investigators say it was most likely triggered by a failure in the plane's electrical system. But many witnesses say they saw a streak a light move toward the plane before the explosion.
Now, six investigators who participated in the original probe of the crash have come forward to request that the case be reopened. They have petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board to reactivate its investigation. Their stories are featured in a new film directed by Kristina Borjesson, a former CBS News producer. We'll be joined by her later in the broadcast, but first we look at Kristina's 17-year struggle to discover what happened on the night TWA Flight 800 went down. Her story is featured in the film Shadows of Liberty, directed by Jean-Philippe Tremblay. This clip also includes former Assistant FBI Director James Kallstrom, former New York congressional aide Kelly O'Meara and journalist Philip Weiss.
NARRATOR: On the night of July 17th, 1996, Flight TWA 800 was en route from New York City to Paris carrying 230 passengers when disaster struck.
CNN ANCHOR: Bringing you up to date, a TWA flight, a 747 aircraft, has gone down.
REPORTER: You see in the water down there, it is the burning wreckage from that plane.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: That day, I was at CBS, and my executive producer called me down and told me to look into it. And it completely changed my life, shifted my paradigm.
NARRATOR: As Borjesson investigated the crash for CBS News, many people reported something disturbing they had seen in the night sky.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: All these eyewitnesses said they had seen something go up. Then they followed it up to where the plane was. And then, all of a sudden the plane exploded.
NARRATOR: With different reports emerging about TWA 800, the FBI declared the surrounding area a crime scene.
JAMES KALLSTROM: If it is a terrorist event, we then have the challenge to find out who the perpetrators were, who the cowards were that did this.
NARRATOR: As Navy divers were called to recover the plane's wreckage, rumors of friendly fire emerged.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: That first FBI press conference I went to, some guy raised his hand, and he said, "Why is the Navy involved in the recovery when they are suspects?
JAMES KALLSTROM: Remove him. Remove him.
REPORTER: The Navy is a suspect.
SECURITY GUARD: Let's go. Come on.
REPORTER: The Navy is a suspect.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: Kallstrom just pointed at him, and he goes, "Remove him!" And then everybody continued as ifas if this hadn't happened. And to my mind, we should have all pressed on that question.
JAMES KALLSTROM: ...the United States military that friendly fire was not involved in this incident. And I used the strongest terms I could use: I said it was highly, highly, highly, highly, highly unlikely.
NARRATOR: Despite FBI denials, Borjesson's research uncovered a different scenario, based on the Navy's activity on the night of the disaster.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: When they released the radar information, they only gave half of it. They cut it off right when you can see that there were all these military vessels in this exercise zone that was right there.
KELLY O'MEARA: Not only were there ships there, but there actually was a live fire exercise going on off the coast that night, and that's why they had closed down the flight corridor that is parallel to the commercial flight path.
RADIO OPERATOR 1: TWA 800, SANO. TWA 800, if you hear, SANO ident. TWA 800, SANO.
RADIO OPERATOR 2: I think that was him.
RADIO OPERATOR 1: I think so.
RADIO OPERATOR 2: God bless.
KELLY O'MEARA: When there's a distress, you're supposed to, by law of the sea, go and try and help. These ships went in the absolute opposite direction away from the crash site, and at 30 knots.
NARRATOR: The search for clear-cut evidence continued. And Borjesson was offered a piece of seat fabric from the plane that had undergone preliminary testing.
PHILIP WEISS: The test had revealed that there were heavy metals in it that were consistent with a missile strike that went through the plane at a certain point where this seat was very close to. And Kristina received a sample to do independent verification.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: I mean, it was just amazing. How many times do you get hard evidence from something? I had no idea there was going to be any problem whatsoever.
NARRATOR: As CBS News gave Borjesson the go-ahead to accept the seat fabric, she was close to discovering whether a missile strike had brought down the plane.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: And I was looking around for a lab, and that's when the FBI called and said, "You have a piece of stolen evidence." To my great disappointment and dismay, CBS just gave it right back.
NEWS ANCHOR: CBS has given federal investigators a piece of cloth purportedly from the downed TWA Flight 800. The FBI wanted the fabric because it is investigating whether evidence...
PHILIP WEISS: CBS folded. Like an ice cube in the sun, they just went. They decided this is not a story we're going to fight for. It was a great moment of spinelessness on the corporate media's part.
JAMES KALLSTROM: No evidence has been found which would indicate that a criminal act was the cause of the tragedy of TWA Flight 800. The law enforcement team has looked at every theory and has left no stone unturned.
NARRATOR: With eyewitness accounts of a possible missile strike still unexplained, the CIA produced an animation that was broadcast nationally.
PHILIP WEISS: When they showed that animation, it wasn't like they then went out and talked to the fishing boat captain who had seen something completely different.
CIA ANIMATION: Flames, visible to eyewitnesses more than 40 miles away...
PHILIP WEISS: I did. And they said, "This is ridiculous. This does not describe what I saw."
CIA ANIMATION: As the aircraft descended, it produced an increasingly visible fire trail.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: The video was shown on network TV. It was shown nationally. It was shown over and over.
CIA ANIMATION: To date, there is no evidence that any eyewitness saw a missile shoot down TWA Flight 800.
PHILIP WEISS: The press bought it. The press bought the government's version of events.
NARRATOR: At the time of the disaster, Westinghouse, a nuclear power company and major defense contractor, owned CBS News.
KELLY O'MEARA: Any logical person would go, "Well, where does the vast majority of their money come from? Government contracting." If Kristina were getting too close to the truth, would they shut down the investigation, or would they lose their government contracts? I mean, these are logical questions that you have to wonder. What's more important to CBS?
NARRATOR: Ultimately, Borjesson's pursuit of what happened that night challenged the priorities of corporate media.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: I walked into this meeting of news executives, and I said, "Why aren't we recovering this?" And one guy looks up at me, and he goes, "Oh, you think it's a missile, don't you?" And I said, "I don't know what it is, but I'll tell you, it's not a straightforward thing. There's something going on here." And there was just this silence, and I was just looking out at this sea of white shirts. And as I turned around and left, I just thought, "God, you know, my goose is cooked here." And it was, you know? I was out a few weeks later.
NARRATOR: The government's official explanation of the disastermechanical failurehasn't been proven, and questions still remain.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: I can't tell you with absolute certainty what happened. When that many people die, you owe it to them and to the other people who are getting on those planes every day to find out what really happened.
AMY GOODMAN: That was Kristina Borjesson from the film Shadows of Liberty, directed by Jean-Philippe Tremblay. Kristina Borjesson has just made a new documentary, along with physicist Tom Stalcup, called TWA Flight 800. They'll join us after break to talk about their new film and the call for a reopening of the TWA crash investigation. We'll also play excerpts from the new film. Stay with us.
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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman, with Juan González.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: We continue our coverage over shocking new claims about the crash of TWA Flight 800 that killed 230 people on July 17th, 1996. The plane burst into flames off the coast of New York just minutes after takeoff. A government investigation concluded the cause of the explosion was a mechanical failure. But on Wednesday, a group of investigators who participated in that probe submitted a petition to the National Transportation Safety Board asking them to reopen the case.
The investigators say they have, quote, "reviewed the FAA radar evidence along with new evidence not available to the NTSB during the official investigation and [they] contend that the NTSB's probable cause determination is erroneous and should be reconsidered." Among those who have come forward is former senior NTSB accident investigator Hank Hughes. He is featured in a new film called TWA Flight 800 that premieres on the premium TV channel EPIX next month.
HANK HUGHES: My report, which was 496 pages in length, or thereabouts, with photographic supplement, was cut and amended without my knowledge. When I did find out about it, I complained. Nothing was done. We were required to provide a factual report, but ordered not to write an analysis.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: What? Could you say that again?
HANK HUGHES: We were directed to write a factual report, but not an analysis.
KRISTINA BORJESSON: What would your analysis have been?
HANK HUGHES: The primaryprimary conclusion was the explosive forces came from outside the airplane, not the center fuel tank.
TOM STALCUP: Would that statement have been in your analysis?
HANK HUGHES: If I got the right one.
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CNN: Anderson Cooper - Friday 10pm - TWA 800
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Albert Doyle Wrote:CNN: Anderson Cooper - Friday 10pm - TWA 800
Why this story NOW?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

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#20
Aggressive damage control. CNN is doing its duty for CIA by trying to pretend it is up front but its true purpose is to head off any credible discussion of the evidence and mire the subject in Swiftboat-type harassment from idiots and government internet ops spooks.

An example is the CNN link below where the subject is quickly diverted into moronic opinions divorced from any actual discussion of the evidence. Watch where the entire issue is avoided by CNN reporter Polk coming in and saying he doesn't think there's any new evidence so therefore there's no reason to re-investigate the crash. Who the f*** is Polk??? And where does he get the right to dismiss the entire subject without ever having shown 1) Any credentials or proven expertise to do so, and 2) Any earned right to do so via the facts? There's plenty of new evidence. In fact most of what is in the new documentary is new because the original investigation never officially addressed it and took pains to avoid it.

It's time to pull the gloves off on this media bullshit. If you print such an article in the face of serious evidence you should be held accountable on a serious legal basis. You should be charged with obstruction of justice under the color of journalism and have harsh penalties imposed on you. Those doing this scummy CIA dirty business under the power of major media should be charged with criminal interference and obstruction of justice, as well as acting against the interest of the people in pursuit of democratic rule of law. If you dare try to influence the outcome of a serious investigation by such dirty means like calling the people with the facts and evidence "Conspiracy Theorists" and denigrating them as having dubious psychological motives while completely avoiding the evidence as CNN does here then you should be held accountable at a serious legal level equal to the damage you do.


You can bet the Anderson Cooper show will be yet another fluff piece that heavily favors the government criminals and their contempt for the facts. I'd like to take that son of a bitch Polk on in a direct debate about there being no new evidence. Or a debate about CNN's poisonous non-journalistic coverage and its affect on America:



http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/twa-800...ary-debate



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