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(McBride is referring to this posting in his book, INTO THE NIGHTMARE - see my quote in #226 this thread -
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:17 AM
It's amazing what people will believe.
Black Dog Image Man is not a woman holding a baby.
Once again, we have Cinque level work and conclusions going on.
And Ron Ecker finds this stuf convincing. That's really sad. And I believe I heard Jim DiEugenio say on Black Op Radio something positive about Mike Rago's conclusion, which is baffling to me as I think he was in the room when Casey Quinlan gave his presentation at Lancer 2010 which refutes this thesis.
Duncan McRae seems to be taking Mike Rago's idea seriously and running with it, although with some better images.
The Black couple who sat on a bench and ate a lunch are not this other Black couple that Duncan MacRae has.
There is an assumption going on that the unidentified Black couple, who were noticed by Marily Sitzman, that one of them is the Black Dog Image Man. No. Wrong. There is no evidence for this. None.
There is also an assumption that Black Dog Image Man must be a Black person. This is stupid.
There is also an assumption that one Black couple is as good as another so we'll assign identity and actions to them as we see fit. This is really stupid.
There was a Black couple who were sitting on a bench eating their lunch very close to where Zapruder and Sitzman stood. Their names are Evelyn and Arthur King. They are brother and sister. They did not have a baby with them. They had hamburgers from a chain restaurant, Tom Thumb. They also had soda pop bottles. Evelyn's was a
Ni-Hi Strawberry pop.
The three guys on the steps are known. They are Emmet Hudson, Earl Schaeffer, and Jerry Williamson.
Now, Casey Quinlan did a presentation at Lancer 2010 and part of it touched on these people.
"The identification of some new eyewitnesses. Okay, this is where they were standing. Dealey Plaza, November 22nd, a young black couple, a sister and brother, Evelyn and Arthur King were eating lunch on the park bench located on top of the north grassy knoll behind the concrete retaining wall. Some of these names you've heard before, some of you have seen or heard from them with the books that have been writen over the past 47 years and some of them your haven't.
Evelyn King identifies two gunmen behind the picket fence on the north grassy knoll. She was a 69 year old woman who came forward last year, 2009, to verify and confirm about the information. We gathered that information and this is what we are presenting. She won't come forward. She doesn't want her picture taken on the grassy knoll and I asked her, or I asked a couple of people who we were getting information from I said would you please ask her why she won't and her detailed information was real simple. This is 1963, I'm female, I'm Black, I live in Dallas, Texas. And I go, I gotcha, I gotcha.
This is where she and her brother were located, on the wooden bench [behind] the concrete retaining wall.
Well, Evelyn said she and her brother walked in about 12:12, probably about 12:10 but she says it was after 12:10 so she said about 12:12 p.m. and she and her brother were going to eat lunch. So, they sat on the bench behind the retaining wall.
She said a gentleman walked by whom she identified later on would be Emmet Hudson and he will pass them by and walk down the grassy knoll, not only there but he will be standing on the steps.
Another gentleman enters in, a guy by the name of Earl Schaeffer. Mr. Earle Schaeffer walks by her, again, walks down the grassy knoll and stands on the steps next to Emmet Hudson.
Jerry Williamson pushes in his cousin. Well, she said a car pulled up and parked in the back area by the opening, where the car parking lot was right next to the railroad yards, and she basically said that a man got out of the car, opened the front door, took out a wheelchair, put his cousin in the chair, and that person has been identified but [it] was related to us that it was Jerry Williamson's cousin and I think Jerry wanted to wheel him down toward the gutter area or at least to the Elm street area and he said no just leave him right out there. So, he left him there. And then Jerry Williamson walks past these two young people, Evelyn and Arthur King and then he goes down and stands on the steps with the other two men.
Then she said there was a conversation with a police officer by a young man who was in an Army uniform. And she said this guy came in with a camera and stood at the fence line here. And that was Gordon Arnold.
And then she says very fast, quickly, somebody ran right in front of her and then past her and got next to the corner of the concretre wall. Now Robert Groden over the years has said that this is the Black Dog man. Well, Evelyn King related to us basically that she didn't know who the guy was but he had a Black hoodie on and that his hands were in his front pocket and he appeared to have something in his hands. She said she saw what appeared to be a gun, but she said it was a little bit larger than a handgun. And did the gentleman use it? She said, I don't know, because she was distracted. She was distracted because as she was sitting there eating lunch a Dallas police officer fired a shot. Well, how do we know it was a Dallas police officer? When the shot was fired she turned around and looked right at the fenceline 15 to 20 feet away, looking at him right in the eye. She said it was a Dallas cop. Before she could hit the ground, another person and she believed was another police officer fired from the fence line. She couldn't tell if it was a police uniform, but it was blue or black. She hits the ground. While she was eating her lunch she had a Ni-Hi bottle, strawberry, and it broke. It shattered on the sidewalk.
Marilyn Sitzman who was standing next to Abraham Zapruder said that there were two people there, a Black couple and that they were eating lunch, and not only were they eating lunch they were drinking pop. And she heard a bottle shatter there. A shot was fired, she said. Smoke rose. Another shot was fired. Smoke rose, and both of the smoke [clouds] drifted out into the trees.
There's a red plaid shirt. I don't know. It's Jerry Williamson, Earl Schaeffer, Emmet Hudson. Shots are bing fired at that time.
Evelyn King said she was sitting on this park bench. Well, people were called up there, Dallas detectives, they are looking at a splotch, a red splotch on the sidewalk. Somebody had told them that a Secret Service agent was shot up there and that there was blood on the sidewalk. Well, it's not blood, it's a Ni-Hi strawberry drink that Evelyn had kicked over. [Also] found was a Tom Thumb lunchbag. It will be seen on the park bench, black outline of the concrete retaining wall. Abraham Zapruder was standng five feet away from them and filming during the murder of JFK. There is grass in the area behind the retaining wall. It's approximately where the bench was. The detectives found an empty bag, with hamburger buns, some of the buns had been eaten. [As seen on p. 75 of "Pictures of the Pain" by Richard Trask.] And obviously from Tom Thumb which is still active in the Dallas, as well as Arlington area. And we're still trying to figure this one out, for the most part Evelyn related to us that she was wearing an SMU shirt or a sweatshirt, and that they had just come from classes. They bussed down there, dropped off at the corner of Elm street and Houston and then they walked to the area where they were going to eat [lunch] and view the president."
So, that's who Black Dog Man was, a possible shooter, a guy in a hoodie.
The information from Duncan MacRae presents is incorrect. It sounds plausible only if you don't know who the heck the men on the steps are, and if you don't know who the Black couple were, as they were brother and sister, the guy on the steps isn't Evelyn King's husband. The photo he has of a woman holding a child is irrelevant as she is most likely someone near the assassinaiton scene who like many, many others ran to the area and are photographed loitering around wondering if the shooter was in that area and whether or not he was caught.
David Josephs shows the entire photo from which Duncan McRae used to say that the woman holding a small child is one member of the Black couple Sitzman saw. No. This photo is after the assassinaiton. Sitzman's Black couple have left the area by the time this photo was taken. This is a seperate couple, if they are even together at all.
Joe Backes
(McBride is referring to this posting in his book, INTO THE NIGHTMARE - see my quote in #226 this thread -
KK)
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:17 AM
It's amazing what people will believe.
Black Dog Image Man is not a woman holding a baby.
Once again, we have Cinque level work and conclusions going on.
And Ron Ecker finds this stuf convincing. That's really sad. And I believe I heard Jim DiEugenio say on Black Op Radio something positive about Mike Rago's conclusion, which is baffling to me as I think he was in the room when Casey Quinlan gave his presentation at Lancer 2010 which refutes this thesis.
Duncan McRae seems to be taking Mike Rago's idea seriously and running with it, although with some better images.
The Black couple who sat on a bench and ate a lunch are not this other Black couple that Duncan MacRae has.
There is an assumption going on that the unidentified Black couple, who were noticed by Marily Sitzman, that one of them is the Black Dog Image Man. No. Wrong. There is no evidence for this. None.
There is also an assumption that Black Dog Image Man must be a Black person. This is stupid.
There is also an assumption that one Black couple is as good as another so we'll assign identity and actions to them as we see fit. This is really stupid.
There was a Black couple who were sitting on a bench eating their lunch very close to where Zapruder and Sitzman stood. Their names are Evelyn and Arthur King. They are brother and sister. They did not have a baby with them. They had hamburgers from a chain restaurant, Tom Thumb. They also had soda pop bottles. Evelyn's was a
Ni-Hi Strawberry pop.
The three guys on the steps are known. They are Emmet Hudson, Earl Schaeffer, and Jerry Williamson.
Now, Casey Quinlan did a presentation at Lancer 2010 and part of it touched on these people.
"The identification of some new eyewitnesses. Okay, this is where they were standing. Dealey Plaza, November 22nd, a young black couple, a sister and brother, Evelyn and Arthur King were eating lunch on the park bench located on top of the north grassy knoll behind the concrete retaining wall. Some of these names you've heard before, some of you have seen or heard from them with the books that have been writen over the past 47 years and some of them your haven't.
Evelyn King identifies two gunmen behind the picket fence on the north grassy knoll. She was a 69 year old woman who came forward last year, 2009, to verify and confirm about the information. We gathered that information and this is what we are presenting. She won't come forward. She doesn't want her picture taken on the grassy knoll and I asked her, or I asked a couple of people who we were getting information from I said would you please ask her why she won't and her detailed information was real simple. This is 1963, I'm female, I'm Black, I live in Dallas, Texas. And I go, I gotcha, I gotcha.
This is where she and her brother were located, on the wooden bench [behind] the concrete retaining wall.
Well, Evelyn said she and her brother walked in about 12:12, probably about 12:10 but she says it was after 12:10 so she said about 12:12 p.m. and she and her brother were going to eat lunch. So, they sat on the bench behind the retaining wall.
She said a gentleman walked by whom she identified later on would be Emmet Hudson and he will pass them by and walk down the grassy knoll, not only there but he will be standing on the steps.
Another gentleman enters in, a guy by the name of Earl Schaeffer. Mr. Earle Schaeffer walks by her, again, walks down the grassy knoll and stands on the steps next to Emmet Hudson.
Jerry Williamson pushes in his cousin. Well, she said a car pulled up and parked in the back area by the opening, where the car parking lot was right next to the railroad yards, and she basically said that a man got out of the car, opened the front door, took out a wheelchair, put his cousin in the chair, and that person has been identified but [it] was related to us that it was Jerry Williamson's cousin and I think Jerry wanted to wheel him down toward the gutter area or at least to the Elm street area and he said no just leave him right out there. So, he left him there. And then Jerry Williamson walks past these two young people, Evelyn and Arthur King and then he goes down and stands on the steps with the other two men.
Then she said there was a conversation with a police officer by a young man who was in an Army uniform. And she said this guy came in with a camera and stood at the fence line here. And that was Gordon Arnold.
And then she says very fast, quickly, somebody ran right in front of her and then past her and got next to the corner of the concretre wall. Now Robert Groden over the years has said that this is the Black Dog man. Well, Evelyn King related to us basically that she didn't know who the guy was but he had a Black hoodie on and that his hands were in his front pocket and he appeared to have something in his hands. She said she saw what appeared to be a gun, but she said it was a little bit larger than a handgun. And did the gentleman use it? She said, I don't know, because she was distracted. She was distracted because as she was sitting there eating lunch a Dallas police officer fired a shot. Well, how do we know it was a Dallas police officer? When the shot was fired she turned around and looked right at the fenceline 15 to 20 feet away, looking at him right in the eye. She said it was a Dallas cop. Before she could hit the ground, another person and she believed was another police officer fired from the fence line. She couldn't tell if it was a police uniform, but it was blue or black. She hits the ground. While she was eating her lunch she had a Ni-Hi bottle, strawberry, and it broke. It shattered on the sidewalk.
Marilyn Sitzman who was standing next to Abraham Zapruder said that there were two people there, a Black couple and that they were eating lunch, and not only were they eating lunch they were drinking pop. And she heard a bottle shatter there. A shot was fired, she said. Smoke rose. Another shot was fired. Smoke rose, and both of the smoke [clouds] drifted out into the trees.
There's a red plaid shirt. I don't know. It's Jerry Williamson, Earl Schaeffer, Emmet Hudson. Shots are bing fired at that time.
Evelyn King said she was sitting on this park bench. Well, people were called up there, Dallas detectives, they are looking at a splotch, a red splotch on the sidewalk. Somebody had told them that a Secret Service agent was shot up there and that there was blood on the sidewalk. Well, it's not blood, it's a Ni-Hi strawberry drink that Evelyn had kicked over. [Also] found was a Tom Thumb lunchbag. It will be seen on the park bench, black outline of the concrete retaining wall. Abraham Zapruder was standng five feet away from them and filming during the murder of JFK. There is grass in the area behind the retaining wall. It's approximately where the bench was. The detectives found an empty bag, with hamburger buns, some of the buns had been eaten. [As seen on p. 75 of "Pictures of the Pain" by Richard Trask.] And obviously from Tom Thumb which is still active in the Dallas, as well as Arlington area. And we're still trying to figure this one out, for the most part Evelyn related to us that she was wearing an SMU shirt or a sweatshirt, and that they had just come from classes. They bussed down there, dropped off at the corner of Elm street and Houston and then they walked to the area where they were going to eat [lunch] and view the president."
So, that's who Black Dog Man was, a possible shooter, a guy in a hoodie.
The information from Duncan MacRae presents is incorrect. It sounds plausible only if you don't know who the heck the men on the steps are, and if you don't know who the Black couple were, as they were brother and sister, the guy on the steps isn't Evelyn King's husband. The photo he has of a woman holding a child is irrelevant as she is most likely someone near the assassinaiton scene who like many, many others ran to the area and are photographed loitering around wondering if the shooter was in that area and whether or not he was caught.
David Josephs shows the entire photo from which Duncan McRae used to say that the woman holding a small child is one member of the Black couple Sitzman saw. No. This photo is after the assassinaiton. Sitzman's Black couple have left the area by the time this photo was taken. This is a seperate couple, if they are even together at all.
Joe Backes
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