The crucial hour and twenty minutes

[Tracy Riddle]

Hmmm, the way I read it is that Whaley is describing how he pulled over to the curb (the west side of the street), the man got out and crossed the street (going east) to the other side, the side of the street where Oswald's rooming house was. Whaley probably had pulled back into traffic already and didn't see where the man went after that.

Mr. BALL. When you parked your car you parked on what street?
Mr. WHALEY. I wasn't parked, I was pulled to the curb on Neches and North Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Neches, corner of Neches and North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Which is the 500 block.
Mr. BALL. What direction was your car?
Mr. WHALEY. South.
Mr. BALL. The cab was headed?
Mr. WHALEY. South.
Mr. BALL. And it would be on the west side of the street?
Mr. WHALEY. Parked, stopped on the west side of the intersection, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. When he got out of the cab did he go around in front of your cab?
Mr. WHALEY. He went around in front, yes, sir; crossed the street.
Mr. BALL. Across to the east side of the street?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

[Tracy Riddle]

I have always "theorized" that the man Craig saw getting into the statin wagon was the Tippet shooter and the fact that he was seen walking west on 10th prior to reaching the intersection with Patton, leads me to think he was coming from Ruby's apt.

Why would he have gone to Ruby's apartment? Ruby wasn't even there; he was at the Dallas Morning News office at the time, and then he went to Parkland where he was seen by Seth Kantor and another witness.

[Gordon Gray]

I have always "theorized" that the man Craig saw getting into the statin wagon was the Tippet shooter and the fact that he was seen walking west on 10th prior to reaching the intersection with Patton, leads me to think he was coming from Ruby's apt.

Why would he have gone to Ruby's apartment? Ruby wasn't even there; he was at the Dallas Morning News office at the time, and then he went to Parkland where he was seen by Seth Kantor and another witness.

Ruby's apt. could have been used as a base of operations or safe house even though he wasn't present. The man resembling Oswald was first observed walking west, just past the corner of 10th and Jefferson, about two blocks from Ruby's apt.

[Phil Dragoo]

Bertrand Russell found the Tippit scenario suspicious in his 16 questions:

Oswald, it will be recalled, was originally arrested and charged with the murder of Patrolman Tippitt [sic]. Tippitt was killed at 1:06 p.m. on November 22 by a man who first engaged him in conversation, then caused him to get out of the stationary police car in which he was sitting and shot him with a pistol Miss Helen L. Markham, who states that she is the sole eye-witness to this crime, gave the Dallas police a description of the assailant. After signing her affidavit, she was instructed by the F.B.I., the Secret Service and many police officers that she was not permitted to discuss the case with anyone. The affidavit's only description of the killer was that he was a "young white man." Miss Markham later revealed that the killer had run right up to her and past her, brandishing the pistol, and she repeated the description of the murderer which she had given to the police. He was, she said, "short, a little heavy, and had somewhat bushy hair." (The police description of Oswald was that he was of average height, or a little taller, was slim and had receding fair hair.) Miss Markham's affidavit is the entire case against Oswald for the murder of Patrolman Tippitt, yet District Attorney Wade asserted: "We have more evidence to prove Oswald killed Tippit than we have to show he killed the President." The case against Oswald for the murder of Tippitt, he continued, was an absolutely strong case. Why was the only description of Tippitt's killer deliberately omitted by the police from the affidavit of the sole eye-witness?


Oswald's description was broadcast by the Dallas police only 12 minutes after the President was shot. This raises one of the most extraordinary questions ever posed in a murder case: Why was Oswald's description in connection with the murder of Patrolman Tippitt broadcast over Dallas police radio at 12:43 p.m. on November 22, when Tippitt was not shot until 1:06 p.m.?


According to Mr. Bob Considine, writing in the New York Journal American, there had been another person who had heard the shots that were fired at Tippitt. Warren Reynolds had heard shooting in the street from a nearby room and had rushed to the window to see the murderer run off. Reynolds himself was later shot through the head by a rifleman. A man was arrested for this crime but produced an alibi. His girl-friend, Betty Mooney McDonald, told the police she had been with him at the time Reynolds was shot, according to Mr. Considine. The Dallas police immediately dropped the charges, even before Reynolds had time to recover consciousness, and attempt to identify his assailant. The man at once disappeared, and two days later the police arrested Betty Mooney McDonald on a minor charge and it was announced that she had hanged herself in the police cell. She had been a striptease artist in Jack Ruby's nightclub, according to Mr. Considine.

John Armstrong created a Harvey and Lee scenario:

http://www.ctka.net/pr198-jfk.html


Acquilla Clemmons said the man reloading his gun was short, chunky, motioned to other man to go on:



She didn't identify Oswald so she was threatened in order to silence her, "might get hurt. Be best if I not say anything 'cause I might get hurt."

Helen Markham spoke with the dead officer, though accounts do not reveal if he described his assailant.

She remained adamant it was the man whom she was led to identify.

For such spirited public service she was not shot in the head, nor was a family member shot in the head, nor was she told to keep quiet because she might get hurt.

[David Josephs]

I wouldn't be surprised if Reed was working for military intelligence. James Powell was the Army Intelligence guy who worked down the street at the Rio Grande building and took a picture of the TSBD thirty seconds after the assassination.

As for the physical evidence during this period, it's hard to trust any of it.

David, who is the person in the cab you're referring to who shot Tippit?

The person Whaley described as "Oswald" could not have been THE Oswald.
If Whaley did actually take someone to 500 N Beckley... I do not see how that could have been our Oswald.

Mr. BALL. Did you see whether he walked south?
Mr. WHALEY. I didn't see whether he walked north or south from there.
Mr. BALL. In other words, h[B]e walked east from your cab [/B]and that is the last time you saw him?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.


Since no one reports seeing even a suspicous man walking thru the neighborhood...
and Oswald's room was due north of this spot

I am theorizing that the person who Whaley did take, walked east and over to 10th and Patton possibly to that area's safe house where he would meet up with Tippit.
Why else would Tippit have been so careless in his approach....

There is no reason for our Oswald to have been coming EAST on 10th on the way to the theater.


IF we are to conclude that Oswald was already at the Theater.... how the murder occurs at that location... how murderer and Tippit wind up at the same place at the same time
has to be one of the greatest mysteries to unravel.

DJ

I don't see how walking east would be conclusive evidence that Oswald was not in the cab. Any one getting out of the cab and crossing the street in front of it would be walking east. If Whaley then continued driving south, he would have had to look over his shoulder behind him to see in what direction Qswald proceeded after crossing the street. Whaley's description of Oswald's bracelet is a fairly detailed and accurate observation that points to it indeed being Oswald. I have always "theorized" that the man Craig saw getting into the statin wagon was the Tippet shooter and the fact that he was seen walking west on 10th prior to reaching the intersection with Patton, leads me to think he was coming from Ruby's apt.

"Walking East" is by no means a piece of evidence that suggests Whaley never took anyone... (remember he was the substitute cab driver after the first one named by DA Alexander was found not to exist) or that this was not Oswald - like Bledsoe I believe he was fed details to help ID Oswald (the line up with Scoggins was a joke as well). From the following - I'd ask whether this "ID" would go uncontested in a real court.... and whether or not the affidavit refelcts what he said.

When one goes into the Dallas Archives and views Whaley's handwritten statement we find that BOTH state that he left the cab and walked SOUTH ON BECKLEY.. nomention of EAST

Mr. BALL. When he got out of the tab did he go around in front of your tab?
Mr. WHALEY. He went around in front, yes, sir; crossed the street.
Mr. BALL. Across to the east side of the street?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you see whether he walked south?
Mr. WHALEY. I didn't see whether he walked north or south from there.
Mr. BALL. In other words, he walked east from your cab and that is the last time you saw him?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0438-001.gif Typed Affidavit - signed

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and yet... there is ANOTHER AFFIDAVIT, also unsigned :
43. Statement handwritten, by William Wayne Whaley. Statement concerning a passenger in a taxi cab identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 11/23/63. 2 pages 00000352 01 08 043 0352-001.gif 0352-002.gif
also does not say anything about EAST yet does say SOUTH... and neither one matches the final signed affidavit regarding the complete contents of the hand written one....

AFTER Oswald's picture appears in the paper, AFTER Whaley sees said picture he is finally taken down to ID the man who he has already been identified as the killer... and he tells us this man is wearing a white T, a brown shirt, and a jacket over all of that.... Since Oswald's Blue jacket was at work and his "white/grey/tan" one is waiting in his room... I do not see how this can be "THE" Oswald

Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Later that day did you--were you called down to the police department?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you the next day?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; they came and got me, sir, the next day after I told my superior when I saw in the paper his picture, I told my superiors that that had been my passenger that day at noon. They called up the police and they came up and got me.
Mr. BALL. When you saw in the newspaper the picture of the man?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You went to your superior and told him you thought he was your passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did the Dallas police come out to see you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Or FBI agents?
Mr. WHALEY. The Dallas police came down and took me down and the FBI was waiting there.
Mr. BALL. Before they brought you down did they show you a picture?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. They didn't?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. They brought you down to the Dallas police station?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do there?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, I tried to get by the reporters, stepping over television cables and you couldn't hardly get by,
they would grab you and wanted to know what you were doing down here, even with the detectives one in front and one behind you.
Then they took me in an office there and I think Bill Alexander, the Assistant
District Attorney, two or three, I was introduced to two or three who were FBI
men and they wanted my deposition of what happened.
So, I told them to the
best of my ability. Then they took me down in their room where they have their
show-ups, and all, and me and this other taxi driver who was with me, sir, we
sat in the room awhile and directly they brought in six men, young teenagers,
and they all were handcuffed together. Well, they wanted me to pick out my
passenger.
At that time he had on a pair of black pants and white T-shirt,
that is all he had on. But you could have picked him out without identifying him
by just listening to him because he was bawling out the policeman, telling them
it wasn't right to put him in line with these teenagers and all of that and they
asked me which one and I told them. It was him all right, the same man.

......
Mr. BELIN. Did you sign an affidavit for the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. I will hand you a document which I am calling Whaley Deposition Exhibit A, and ask you to say if your signature appears on there?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is my signature.
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Mr. BELIN. All right. Now in here it says, "The No. 3 man who I now know is Lee
Harvey Oswald was the man who I carried from the Greyhound Bus Station* * *"
Was this the No. 3 or the No. 2 man?
Mr. WHALEY. I signed that
statement before they carried me down to see the lineup. I signed this
statement, and then they carried me down to the lineup at 2:30 in the afternoon.

Mr. BELIN. You signed this affidavit before you saw the lineup.
Mr. WHALEY. Well, now, let's get this straight. You are getting me confused.
Mr. BELIN. Now, I will put it this way. There was an FBI reporter, FBI interviewer with you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; there was.
Mr. BELIN. And there was an interview with the Dallas Police Department?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes. And Bill Alexander from the district attorney's office was there, also.
Mr. BELIN. All right, now, the last sentence.
Mr. WHALEY. Let me tell you how they
fixed this up. They had me in the office saying that. They were writing it out
on paper, and they wrote it out on paper, and this officer, Leavelle, I think
that is his name, before he finished and before I signed he wanted me to go with
him to the lineup, so I went to the lineup, and I come back and he asked me
which one it was, which number it was, and I identified the man, and we went
back up in the office again, and then they had me sign this. That is as near as
I can remember.
My recollection for that afternoon in that office was very
disturbed because everytime they would open the door, some flash camera would
flash in your face and everybody coming in and out and asking you questions.

Mr. BELIN. You mean reporters?
Mr. WHALEY. I made this statement more to Bill Alexander, because I tried to talk to him more. Everybody was trying to talk to me at once.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw the statement the first time, did you see the statement before you went down to see the lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. No; I didn't see the statement. I don't think I did. I am not for sure. I think I signed it after I came back. It was on paper. They were writing it up on paper.
Mr. BELIN. They were writing?
Mr. WHALEY. Before I left there, I signed this typewritten, because they had to get, a stenographer typed it up. I had to wait.
Mr. BELIN. But was this before or after you saw the lineup.
Mr. WHALEY. After she typed it up. It was after.
Mr. BELIN. It was after?
Mr. WHALEY. That is when I signed it, after.
Mr. BELIN. Now, when you signed it--what I want to know is, before you went down, had they
already put on there a statement that the man you saw was the No. 8(sic) man in the
lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. I don't remember that. I don't remember whether it said three or two, or what.
Mr. BELIN. Did they have any statements on there before you went down to the lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. I never saw what they had in
there. It was all written out by hand. The statement I saw, I think, was this
one, and that could be writing. I might not even seen this one yet. I signed my
name because they said that is what I said.

[Tracy Riddle]

Interesting, David. I need to go back and review all of the earliest statements from the witnesses during this time period.

One strange connection I just made is that Al Volkland, a witness who saw Tippit at GLOCO shortly before 1pm, had earlier taken a photograph of the presidential limousine speeding by on the freeway.

[David Josephs]

Interesting, David. I need to go back and review all of the earliest statements from the witnesses during this time period.

One strange connection I just made is that Al Volkland, a witness who saw Tippit at GLOCO shortly before 1pm, had earlier taken a photograph of the presidential limousine speeding by on the freeway.

Which brings us full circle to "witness statements" versus "physical evidence"

One of the more interesting references to this time period is Hill's and Summer's references to automatic shells and weapon.

Years later when Hill recounts WHY he thought they were autos he literally says becasue they HE found saw them in a small area bunched together... indicating to HIM they were ejected from an auto...
Which is not possible since Poe already had shells in the cigarette package by the time Hill arrives.... not to mention the other shells found near the Davis'.

So what else could have caused him to say that? The shell casings' size and the fact that AUTO would be written on the bottom is one possibility. The "SHELLS" indicate... that's a pretty definitive statement given a DPD officer with the shells in his possession is able to make a determination and REMOVE A PISTOL FROM CONSIDERATION... I realize this broadcast does not equate to evidence for the gun being an automatic.... but given the condition of the shells, the lack of a chain of custody or chain of possession, and the condition of the remaining shells "found in his pocket hours and hours after his arrest"... this could be a piece of physical evidence that helps with the DPD part of the conspiracy.

DJ
1:34 221 (Ptm.H.W. Summers) Might can give you some additional information. I got an eye-ball witness to the get-away man.That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven,a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt, and (. . . ?). Last seen running on the north side of the street from Patton, on Jefferson, on East Jefferson. And he was apparently armed with a 32 dark-finish automatic pistol which he had in his right hand.

1:34 550/2 (Sgt.G.L. Hill) The shells at the scene indicate that the suspect is armed with an automatic 38, rather than a pistol.

[Marlene Zenker]

This is what I put in my app based on JA's research and a bit of Ira David Wood. Please let me know about any discrepancies.

Texas School Book Depository
411 Elm St.


Harvey arrives with Wesley Frazier at 7:55AM on Nov. 22nd. Frazier testified that Oswald was wearing a grey, more or less flannel, wool-looking jacket. The following people saw Oswald at the Book Depository on Nov. 22nd. 8:00AM - Wesley Frazier, Bonnie Ray Williams, Danny Arce, Roy Truly and Jack Dougherty. 8:00AM - NOON - William Shelly saw him periodically during this time period. 8:30AM - Wesley Frazier. 9:00AM - James Jarman. 10:00AM - Roy Lewis, Eddie Piper. 11:00 AM - Jack Dougherty, Wesley Frazier. 11:30AM James Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams. 11:50AM William Shelly, Danny Arce. 12:00 Noon - Jack Dougherty, Eddie Piper. 12:15PM - Mrs. R.E. Arnold. 12:33PM - M.L. Baker and Roy Truly encounter Oswald in the lunchroom. Baker testifies that Oswald is wearing a light brown jacket. 12:35PM - Oswald encounters two men as he is leaving the building who ask him the location of a telephone. 12:40PM-12:41PM Lee leaves Dealey Plaza in a Nash Rambler.


Top Ten Record Store
338 West Jefferson Blvd.


Both Lee & Tippit are there between 8-9AM and Tippit again at 12:57-1:03PM


Jiffy Store
310 S. Industrial
Lee enters store at 9:30AM to purchase 2 bottles of beer. Fred Moore the store clerk asks for ID. Lee gives him a driver's license (note: Harvey doesn't drive or have a license). Moore recalls that the license says Lee Oswald or H. Lee Oswald and the birth year as 1939.


Tippit near Trinity Bridge
Poydras St. and Lamar St.


12:33PM-12:45PM Tippit is parked by the Oak Cliff side of the Trinity Bridge. Testified to in the Warren Commission by two of Tippit's friends.


Harvey Gets on Bus
Elm St. & Murphy St.
12:40PM Harvey gets on Cecil McWaters bus.


Harvey Gets off Bus
Poydras St. and Lamar St.


12:44PM Harvey gets off Cecil McWaters bus and goes to Commerce St. and Lamar St. to get into a cab.


Harvey gets into cab
Commerce St. & Lamar St


12:48PM Harvey gets into William Whaley's cab. Whaley said on November 23rd that Oswald had on a dark shirt with whit spots of something on it. In his Warren Commission testimoney (Whaley affadvit CE2003 pg. 64) he said he had on a brown shirt with a little silver like stripe. His shirt was open three buttons down to here. He ad on a t-shirt. (WC Vol 2, pg. 255)


GLOCO Station (Good Luck Oil Company (GLOCO) Station)
1502 N Zang Boulevard


Tippit arrives at 12:40PM and stays in his car. Leaves GLOCO Station at 12:52PM going south on Lancaster.




Oswald's Rooming House
1026 N Beckley Avenue


Harvey arrives via cab and according to his landlady, Earlene Roberts, is there from approximately 12:57-1:06PM. She didn't notice the clothes he was wearing when he arrived but did notice that he was wearing a dark color jacket that zipped from the front when he left the house. (Roberts affidavit Dec. 5, 1963).




JD Tippit Shooting
10th Street and Patton Avenue


Police Officer JD Tippit is shot and killed at approximately 1:07PM-1:08PM.






Texas Theater
231 W Jefferson Avenue, Dallas, TX


1:06PM-1:08PM Harvey enters the theater and goes up to the balcony. 1:15PM Harvey buys popcorn from Butch Burroughs then goes to ground floor of theater and sits next to Jack Davis. The movie 'War Is Hell' begins playing and at 1:20PM Harvey changes seats and sits next to a pregnant woman. 1:30PM-1:35PM pregnant woman goes up to the balcony. 1:45PM Harvey is searched by the Dallas Police. 1:50PM Harvey is taken out the front door of the theater and put in a police car.




Hardy Shoe Store
213 W Jefferson Avenue, Dallas, TX


1:30PM Hardy Shoe Store manager Johnny Calvin Brewer thinks he sees Oswald standing in the store lobby and then slipping inside the Texas Theater. He alerts Julia Postal the cashier at the Texas Theater that someone is trying to get into the theater without paying. Postal sold Harvey a ticket at 1:10PM while Lee snuck into the theater at 1:30PM and goes up to the balcony.