17-08-2013, 12:44 AM
(This post was last modified: 18-08-2013, 07:53 AM by David Josephs.)
Thanks for posting that Charles..... excellent stuff....
Here are some thoughts on the physical evidence and the refusal of the FBI to do what was needed to uncover actual evidence.
The connection of C2766 to Oswald is established by a chain of evidence that attempts to
1) establish that Oswald is Hidell...
2) that Oswald wrote the Hidell order coupon...
3) that the Money Order was purchased and sent by Oswald, and
4) that Klein's substituted, shipped and delivered C2766, a 40" FC rifle for the ordered 36" TS rifle... as they no longer had the TS rifles
1) Was OSWALD = HIDELL?
There is one and only one piece of evidence that implies Hidell is Oswald... and that is a faked SSS Notice of Classification. In all the other
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5101[/ATTACH]
The HIDELL with photo is an exact replica of the SSS card Oswlad had yet shrunk the text to make room for a photo... which did not appear on any other SSS card... they didn't have photos...
which is why the Oswald SSS card can be considered authentic. Whether or not this ID was ever used to establish OSWALD=HIDELL is not fully known.
From what I've researched it was not. WE do not know who created this ID (Oswald is a definite possibility) or Why... but we do know that there is no recorded evidence showing Oswald ever used a Hidell ID to refer to himself.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jf...ol24_0018a.htm
this is CE1986 listing the content of the WALLET OSWALD HAD WHEN ARRESTED... and includes #12 the SSS card of Alek HIDELL
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_cri...th_Malice.html
However, even if the wallet in the newsfilm footage isn't Oswald's arrest
wallet, the fact remains that former Special Agent Barrett insists an Oswald
wallet with both Oswald ID and fake Hidell ID was found at the scene, and that
Barrett clearly recalls that he was asked if he knew who Oswald or Hidell was by
the policeman who was examining the wallet. Nor does it change the fact that
former Special Agent Hosty confirmed that Barrett told him about the finding of
an Oswald wallet at the Tippit scene. Nor does it change the fact that there is
newsfilm footage of policemen examining a wallet right next to Tippit's patrol
car. The Dallas police said they found Oswald's "real" wallet on his person
while they were driving him to the police station. So the Oswald wallet that was
found at the Tippit scene was fake and was planted there in an effort to frame
Oswald.
While there appears to have been up to 4 OSWALD WALLETS the two important ones are the ARREST BILLFOLD and what was found at the TIPPIT MURDER SCENE.
Whether the SSS HIDELL card was ever in his ARREST WALLET is not known for sure...
CD5 suggests one and only one wallet had contents in it.... http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...6&relPageId=96
The sum total of the evidence that OSWALD was HIDELL based on Oswald's behavior in presenting himself as Hidell or using this ID, shows that the ONLY TIME Oswald is connected to Hidell is thru the purchase of C2766.
This is not to say Oswald was not indeed presenting himself as HIDELL... the is simply no evidence offered to support it.... other than what Oswald supposedly said to Hill and Bentley
2:00 - 2:15 P.M. Drive to Police Dept. "What is this all about? . . . I know my rights. . . . A police officer has been killed? . . . I hear they burn for murder. Well, they say it just takes a second to die. . . . All I did was carry a gun. . . . No, Hidell is not my real name. . . . I have been in the Marine Corps, have a dishonorable discharge, and went to Russia. . . . I had some trouble with police in New Orleans for passing out pro-Castro literature. . . . Why are you treating me this way? . . . I am not being handled right. . . . I demand my rights."
2) Is that Oswald's writing on the Order Coupon and Envelope to Kleins?
HSCA Writing experts panel conclusions: http://www.history-matters.com/archi...onclusions.pdf
(27) With the restrictions and reservations stated in each panel
member's final report,*
*In particular. members noted that not all documents were available in
their original . It is standard practice in the profession ofquestioned document
examination to make definitive conclusions only about documentsexamined in
their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions foritems
provided them in some type of facsimile.
Item #30 was an "ENLARGEMENT OF A MICROFILM REPRODUCTION" of both the coupon and the envelope with the coupon copied directly onto the envelope.
[size=12]
[size=12][size=12]Conclusions of David Purtell (71)
Five items of evidence were not examined in the original, but
were copies . Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce
all the fine details in handwriting needed in making an examination
and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an image
as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations,
a result of the contrasting process of reproduction . In addition, it is
possible to incorporate or insert changes and alterations into copies . A
method frequently used is to paste together parts of documents to make
one fradulent document, which is then copied. If the first copy can
pass inspection, it will be used ; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate
all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the
finished product. This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste"
method
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Item #29 is the Kleins Money Order
(75) Item 29 was a Xerox copy made from a microfilm copy. Such a
second generation copy has the defects of both processes.
[/SIZE][/SIZE]
Yet... Charles Scott write:(139) Question. Although they purport to be the handwriting of one
Hidell, were the postal money order (item 29) and the envelopeaddressed
to Kleins (item 30) actually written by the person who wrote
the signatures and other writings which purport to be Oswald's?
(140) Opinion. The original of the money order (item 29) was examined
and compared with the original writings purporting to be
Oswald's.
Any ideas how one HSCA expert describes #29 as a bad copy while another tells us it was in the Original form..... ??
Again - Conclusion here is that the HSCA experts were given 2 pieces of evidence related to the rifle and BOTH were poor reproductions OF reproductions.
A conclusive determination of whether Oswald indeed wrote those documents has to be further corroborated by the actions needed to accomplish such things....
Finally, does HIDELL's order of a C20-T750, a 36" M91/38 TS rifle equate to Oswald with C2766 in the SE corner of the 6th floor.... ?
3) Was the Money Order purchased and sent by Oswald?
That that particular MO did not go thru a bank clearing process is very suspect. Did other Kelins received Money Orders look the same?
The MO was purchased at a "Dallas G.P.O." on March 12th.
By 10:30 on March 12th an envelope is mailed from "DALLAS 12" supposedly with $10 cash and the coupon.
Jack White wrote:
Between November 14 and December 6 ( 3 1/2 weeks) the US post office in Dallas sold 3887 money orders-slightly more than 1000 per week. Three months later, on March 12, 1963, Oswald allegedly purchased the following money order from the main post office (GPO) in Dallas:
2,202,130,461 $21.45 March 12, 1963 GPO Dallas
Money orders were issued in numerical sequence from both the Dallas and Ft. Worth post offices. By March 12, had they continued selling 1000 money orders per week, the Dallas post office should have seen selling money orders beginning with 1,158,389,000. However, the money order allegedly purchased by Oswald numbered 2,202,130,461. It is doubtful that the Dallas Post office sold 1,043,745,864 (one billion, 43 million, seven hundred forty five thousand.......) money orders in 3 months. The number on the money order made payable to Kleins Sporting Goods suggests that either the money order came from another location or, if from the Dallas post office, came from a different series of money orders.
He also wrote that Oswald was at work on MArch 12 from 8am on. That there would be little to no time to go to one PO to buy the MO and another to mail it, all beofre 10:30 am
That the MO was never cashed, was severely out of sequence and was proivided for analysis in its worst possible form... I believe we can conclude that Oswald had nothing to do with the MO, the coupon or the rifle that was found
4) Did Kleins actually ship C2766 in place of the ordered C20-T750?
On February 22nd, 1963, workers in the receiving department controlled by Klein's generaloperating
manager Mitchell Scibor opened the carton and allegedly assignedcontrol numbers
to the rifles, listing them with their serial numbers as the weapons were un-packed.
Klein's control number VC 836 allegedly showed (from February 22nd on}a
corresponding serial number, C 2766.
The following are the packing slips fromwhich C2766 was shipped to Kleins and from which they were transferred to the VC "master" list.
One might expect to see a carton of rifles unpacked together and listed together on the VC list... not so much.
The VC#'s assigned are next to each of the two packing slips I chose... Below that is the MASTER VC list... There are short black, long black, red and Blue indicators of 10 rifles each
that do not appear to follow any order or organized manner of unpacking.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5102[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5103[/ATTACH]
The Microfilm, as John Armstrong has told us, that contained the HIDELL ORDER and other related documents is a CE exhibit Cadigan Exh #1, and is now empty.
The microfilm contained the orders 269688 thru 270596
the HIDEL ORDER was 270502... 94 orders from the last and 814 orders from the first....
If Kleins shipped the 40" FC rifles for C20-T750 orders rec'd since Aug 1962 when C20-T750 began being advertised as a scoped rifle for $19.95... we could see what was shipped for each and every one of them during this and any other time.... in addition, we could see what order #'s were used when the actual 40" FC rifles were ordered. In April 1963, C20-T750 became the official designation Item # for the FC 40" rifles.
So in addition to Evica's presentation of the evidence as told by Marina... which has little to no corroboration or authentication and REEKS of influence... the physical evidence left behind does not support Oswald, at least not the one arrested and killed, ever ordering,paying for or picking up said rifle.... let alone getting it to where it was found on 11/22.
Cheers
DJ
Here are some thoughts on the physical evidence and the refusal of the FBI to do what was needed to uncover actual evidence.
The connection of C2766 to Oswald is established by a chain of evidence that attempts to
1) establish that Oswald is Hidell...
2) that Oswald wrote the Hidell order coupon...
3) that the Money Order was purchased and sent by Oswald, and
4) that Klein's substituted, shipped and delivered C2766, a 40" FC rifle for the ordered 36" TS rifle... as they no longer had the TS rifles
1) Was OSWALD = HIDELL?
There is one and only one piece of evidence that implies Hidell is Oswald... and that is a faked SSS Notice of Classification. In all the other
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5101[/ATTACH]
The HIDELL with photo is an exact replica of the SSS card Oswlad had yet shrunk the text to make room for a photo... which did not appear on any other SSS card... they didn't have photos...
which is why the Oswald SSS card can be considered authentic. Whether or not this ID was ever used to establish OSWALD=HIDELL is not fully known.
From what I've researched it was not. WE do not know who created this ID (Oswald is a definite possibility) or Why... but we do know that there is no recorded evidence showing Oswald ever used a Hidell ID to refer to himself.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jf...ol24_0018a.htm
this is CE1986 listing the content of the WALLET OSWALD HAD WHEN ARRESTED... and includes #12 the SSS card of Alek HIDELL
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_cri...th_Malice.html
However, even if the wallet in the newsfilm footage isn't Oswald's arrest
wallet, the fact remains that former Special Agent Barrett insists an Oswald
wallet with both Oswald ID and fake Hidell ID was found at the scene, and that
Barrett clearly recalls that he was asked if he knew who Oswald or Hidell was by
the policeman who was examining the wallet. Nor does it change the fact that
former Special Agent Hosty confirmed that Barrett told him about the finding of
an Oswald wallet at the Tippit scene. Nor does it change the fact that there is
newsfilm footage of policemen examining a wallet right next to Tippit's patrol
car. The Dallas police said they found Oswald's "real" wallet on his person
while they were driving him to the police station. So the Oswald wallet that was
found at the Tippit scene was fake and was planted there in an effort to frame
Oswald.
While there appears to have been up to 4 OSWALD WALLETS the two important ones are the ARREST BILLFOLD and what was found at the TIPPIT MURDER SCENE.
Whether the SSS HIDELL card was ever in his ARREST WALLET is not known for sure...
CD5 suggests one and only one wallet had contents in it.... http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...6&relPageId=96
The sum total of the evidence that OSWALD was HIDELL based on Oswald's behavior in presenting himself as Hidell or using this ID, shows that the ONLY TIME Oswald is connected to Hidell is thru the purchase of C2766.
This is not to say Oswald was not indeed presenting himself as HIDELL... the is simply no evidence offered to support it.... other than what Oswald supposedly said to Hill and Bentley
2:00 - 2:15 P.M. Drive to Police Dept. "What is this all about? . . . I know my rights. . . . A police officer has been killed? . . . I hear they burn for murder. Well, they say it just takes a second to die. . . . All I did was carry a gun. . . . No, Hidell is not my real name. . . . I have been in the Marine Corps, have a dishonorable discharge, and went to Russia. . . . I had some trouble with police in New Orleans for passing out pro-Castro literature. . . . Why are you treating me this way? . . . I am not being handled right. . . . I demand my rights."
2) Is that Oswald's writing on the Order Coupon and Envelope to Kleins?
HSCA Writing experts panel conclusions: http://www.history-matters.com/archi...onclusions.pdf
(27) With the restrictions and reservations stated in each panel
member's final report,*
*In particular. members noted that not all documents were available in
their original . It is standard practice in the profession ofquestioned document
examination to make definitive conclusions only about documentsexamined in
their original. Thus the panel members gave only tentative opinions foritems
provided them in some type of facsimile.
Item #30 was an "ENLARGEMENT OF A MICROFILM REPRODUCTION" of both the coupon and the envelope with the coupon copied directly onto the envelope.
[size=12]
[size=12][size=12]Conclusions of David Purtell (71)
Five items of evidence were not examined in the original, but
were copies . Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce
all the fine details in handwriting needed in making an examination
and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an image
as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations,
a result of the contrasting process of reproduction . In addition, it is
possible to incorporate or insert changes and alterations into copies . A
method frequently used is to paste together parts of documents to make
one fradulent document, which is then copied. If the first copy can
pass inspection, it will be used ; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate
all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the
finished product. This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste"
method
[/SIZE]
Item #29 is the Kleins Money Order
(75) Item 29 was a Xerox copy made from a microfilm copy. Such a
second generation copy has the defects of both processes.
[/SIZE][/SIZE]
Yet... Charles Scott write:(139) Question. Although they purport to be the handwriting of one
Hidell, were the postal money order (item 29) and the envelopeaddressed
to Kleins (item 30) actually written by the person who wrote
the signatures and other writings which purport to be Oswald's?
(140) Opinion. The original of the money order (item 29) was examined
and compared with the original writings purporting to be
Oswald's.
Any ideas how one HSCA expert describes #29 as a bad copy while another tells us it was in the Original form..... ??
Again - Conclusion here is that the HSCA experts were given 2 pieces of evidence related to the rifle and BOTH were poor reproductions OF reproductions.
A conclusive determination of whether Oswald indeed wrote those documents has to be further corroborated by the actions needed to accomplish such things....
Finally, does HIDELL's order of a C20-T750, a 36" M91/38 TS rifle equate to Oswald with C2766 in the SE corner of the 6th floor.... ?
3) Was the Money Order purchased and sent by Oswald?
That that particular MO did not go thru a bank clearing process is very suspect. Did other Kelins received Money Orders look the same?
The MO was purchased at a "Dallas G.P.O." on March 12th.
By 10:30 on March 12th an envelope is mailed from "DALLAS 12" supposedly with $10 cash and the coupon.
Jack White wrote:
Between November 14 and December 6 ( 3 1/2 weeks) the US post office in Dallas sold 3887 money orders-slightly more than 1000 per week. Three months later, on March 12, 1963, Oswald allegedly purchased the following money order from the main post office (GPO) in Dallas:
2,202,130,461 $21.45 March 12, 1963 GPO Dallas
Money orders were issued in numerical sequence from both the Dallas and Ft. Worth post offices. By March 12, had they continued selling 1000 money orders per week, the Dallas post office should have seen selling money orders beginning with 1,158,389,000. However, the money order allegedly purchased by Oswald numbered 2,202,130,461. It is doubtful that the Dallas Post office sold 1,043,745,864 (one billion, 43 million, seven hundred forty five thousand.......) money orders in 3 months. The number on the money order made payable to Kleins Sporting Goods suggests that either the money order came from another location or, if from the Dallas post office, came from a different series of money orders.
He also wrote that Oswald was at work on MArch 12 from 8am on. That there would be little to no time to go to one PO to buy the MO and another to mail it, all beofre 10:30 am
That the MO was never cashed, was severely out of sequence and was proivided for analysis in its worst possible form... I believe we can conclude that Oswald had nothing to do with the MO, the coupon or the rifle that was found
4) Did Kleins actually ship C2766 in place of the ordered C20-T750?
On February 22nd, 1963, workers in the receiving department controlled by Klein's generaloperating
manager Mitchell Scibor opened the carton and allegedly assignedcontrol numbers
to the rifles, listing them with their serial numbers as the weapons were un-packed.
Klein's control number VC 836 allegedly showed (from February 22nd on}a
corresponding serial number, C 2766.
The following are the packing slips fromwhich C2766 was shipped to Kleins and from which they were transferred to the VC "master" list.
One might expect to see a carton of rifles unpacked together and listed together on the VC list... not so much.
The VC#'s assigned are next to each of the two packing slips I chose... Below that is the MASTER VC list... There are short black, long black, red and Blue indicators of 10 rifles each
that do not appear to follow any order or organized manner of unpacking.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5102[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5103[/ATTACH]
The Microfilm, as John Armstrong has told us, that contained the HIDELL ORDER and other related documents is a CE exhibit Cadigan Exh #1, and is now empty.
The microfilm contained the orders 269688 thru 270596
the HIDEL ORDER was 270502... 94 orders from the last and 814 orders from the first....
If Kleins shipped the 40" FC rifles for C20-T750 orders rec'd since Aug 1962 when C20-T750 began being advertised as a scoped rifle for $19.95... we could see what was shipped for each and every one of them during this and any other time.... in addition, we could see what order #'s were used when the actual 40" FC rifles were ordered. In April 1963, C20-T750 became the official designation Item # for the FC 40" rifles.
So in addition to Evica's presentation of the evidence as told by Marina... which has little to no corroboration or authentication and REEKS of influence... the physical evidence left behind does not support Oswald, at least not the one arrested and killed, ever ordering,paying for or picking up said rifle.... let alone getting it to where it was found on 11/22.
Cheers
DJ
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
