John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee

[John Mooney]

John Pic gave an opinion about Ekdahl's height from when he was young.

We don't know what his actual height was.

In the marriage photo Marguerite looks 6" shorter than Ekdahl and she's wearing heels.

Coupled with that we have pictures of older Marguerite actually looking like her younger pictures (accounting for age).

Here we see older Marguerite is taller than Marina:

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics...-80-75.jpg

This is like "Paul is dead".

[Jim Hargrove]

We have put up a new John Armstrong article on the website showing that all the "evidence" linking the rifle and the pistol to Oswald and Hidell is false. Here is the direct link:

http://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Guns.html

Jim

[Phil Dragoo]

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David, your presentation of the two images in your post above prompts a comparison.

Sizing them to head height and eye-to-eye on-center, the skull width at ear top is eight per cent wider on our left.

With eyes on line horizontally, aligning head top and chin, ears are hung at different heights.

The ears differ in shape--this alone would be a disqualifier for identicality.

The chins are differently shaped and the mouth differently placed within the jaw; a significant difference from the lower ear attachment down.

The shape of the noses is different as is their placement.

The hairlines are different.

The models do use the same Maybelline No. 13 Sable eyebrow pencil, but, apart from the same intense expression, they are not identical.

[John Mooney]

One of pictures is taken from below eye level, one perhaps slightly above eye level.

The lighting conditions are different.

The cameras will have been different and thus the lens curvature, exposure, field of view and parallax will be different.

The pictures are taken at different times in Oswalds life, I assume in the marine picture he would have been lean and fit.

I don't see how you can conclude that these are two different people. I see the same person.

This reminds me somewhat of September Clues.

[Jim Hargrove]

Regardless of how people read the various images of "Lee Harvey Oswald," it is likely that the pictures will show two different people because there were two different people! John Armstrong's book, my website, many internet posts by David Josephs and others, show just how strong the evidence is for two Oswalds, although some people will never admit it. To take just one example, there are many indications that both Oswalds served in the US Marines.

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Below is a USMC Unit Diary showing that HARVEY Oswald was aboard the USS Skagit (AKA 105) bound for the South China Sea on Sept. 14, 1958. To the right of it is another Unit Diary showing that HARVEY OSWALD was in Ping-Tung, Taiwan on October 6, 1958.

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Good ole' American-born LEE Oswald did NOT go to Taiwan, however. While HARVEY was on his way to a station more than 1400 miles away, LEE was now famously being treated for VD at the Naval Hospital at Atsugi, Japan.

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No doubt Lone Oswald defenders will produce a DoD letter to Robert Blakey indicating Oswald never served in Taiwan, but can you say COVER-UP? What else could DoD say? How would this sound: "Well, sure, there were two guys using Oswald's ID, it was part of an intelligence operation to send a Russian-speaking guy on a false "defection" to the USSR. Well, yeah, the Warren Commission said one of the US Government employees assassinated President Kennedy, but... uh... well, may they just got it wrong." SURE!

Here is a much earlier letter from the Navy indicating Oswald did indeed serve in Taiwan.

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There are hundreds of other examples showing two people shared the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald in John Armstrong's book, and scores of other examples on my website: http://harveyandlee.net

Jim

[Tracy Riddle]

John, I'm inclined to agree that all the photos we have of Marguerite are probably the same woman. The photos of Oswald are more doubtful. If you read Armstrong's book, you'll see that there are numerous well-documented examples of Oswald being in more than one place at the same time, going back at least to the early 1950s.

[John Mooney]

I agree there is documentary evidence of someone impersonating Oswald.

I just don't see it in the photos.

[Peter Lemkin]

I agree there is documentary evidence of someone impersonating Oswald.

I just don't see it in the photos.

Its hard to, but one has to keep in one's mind all the different [some VERY odd!] photos of 'Oswald'. See the work Jack White has done on all the variations and how the are at least two different persons - and their images were being MANIPULATED. Also there were two Oswalds in the years before the assassination at different places at different times. Add to that Nagel having an Oswald ID on him that only differed in the photo and signature and many other things....you are limiting your 'view' too much, and ignoring the broader picture. IMO. It gets so crazy that it seems two Oswalds were taken out of the theater after the Tippit shooting. One, who later was shot by Ruby, from downstairs taken out the front; the other from the balcony and taken out the back and let go.....if you don't think globally of the evidence, you get fooled in exactly the ways they planned for people to be fooled. It was a Magic Trick....a treasonous one.

[John Mooney]

Peter, out of all those pictures there are two I would say are odd. But one of them looks tampered with (someone adding black lines/smudges in the facial crevices) and the other is blurred and washed out. The others are variations in photos that you would see in photos of anyone over a period of time. I'm sure we've all got some weird photos of ourselves or others.

I'm not a great fan of Jack White, god rest him.

I have taken his Apollo photos analysis to task many times over the years. He was well out his depth there.

PS.. I'll say again, I agree someone appears to have been impersonatig Oswald at various points.

[Peter Lemkin]

Peter, out of all those pictures there are two I would say are odd. But one of them looks tampered with (someone adding black lines/smudges in the facial crevices) and the other is blurred and washed out. The others are variations in photos that you would see in photos of anyone over a period of time. I'm sure we've all got some weird photos of ourselves or others.

I'm not a great fan of Jack White, god rest him.

I have taken his Apollo photos analysis to task many times over the years. He was well out his depth there.

PS.. I'll say again, I agree someone appears to have been impersonatig Oswald at various points.

I take exception with your take on Jack vis-a-vis Dallas [forget Apollo! damn it - these are separate things]. And those who were manipulating these photos were not researchers, but those who work in the intelligence shadows...most all were changed before one Oswald died - shot by Ruby on command and with the help of those in the DPD in on the hit and the set-up of the patsy. I think you are really missing the point. Faces were changed. Names were changed. IDs were changed. Heights and other info were changed. Other persons had 'Oswald' IDs and wallets and library cards and orders for rifles. It was one big magic trick...and you now want to ignore the hidden hands we can see?!