My question, although clumsily constructed, was aimed at producing documented evidence that Rose did a craniotomy on Oswald. For all I know that might well exist already? I have never seen an autopsy report for Oswald.
thanks
Martin
Commission Exhibit 3002 is the typed autopsy report for OSWALD. It ends with the brain weight and detailed description of his brain. It does not say outright that a craniotomy was performed, yet it also does not state his brain came out by any other means.... leaving us to make a pretty good assumption.
Martin et al... the very questioning helps spark thought to suggest an answer and pursue its meaning and corroboration..... and even then we find that the tables can be turned.
The lengths taken to conceal who the man Ruby killed really was, and the ignoring of LEE interacting with key members of the same circles suggests planning
and a very real need to conceal...
HOOVER had agents get Oswald's JHS records from 10 years prior, on Nov 23, 1963... less than 8 hours after OSWALD is formally charged with JFK's murder, in order they would not be found.
If anyone can answer for that without H&L a reality enacted in 1952 (planned well in advance as so many people are migrating to the US post WWII) carried thru and substantiated by the WCR records themselves... with the same men who came out of WWII in a position to continue/initiate the activity...
IDK gentlemen and ladies. I actually went as far as to research to field work into James Earl Ray's education... and life for that matter...
not nearly the page turner as Oswald... nor nearly as important.
Let's put it this way, it either exists or was set up to look as if it does... whether it's one other LEE" playing the lead role or 10... with back stories and intrigue...
the Oswald killed was not the man pulling any triggers... and for that he was silenced.
He didn't talk over that weekend. He must have believed he was getting out of it if he kept his mouth shut, or he really did not know exactly how he was set up... only that he was.
Voice stress says he spoke the truth about being a patsy... nothing in the interrogation notes be they real or padded suggests any knowledge of a plot...
Which means LEE is at ODIO's with Hernandez and ??? I forget the name.
OK, rant over... ::
Saw the movie "NOW YOU SEE IT" with the central message from the magician: "Get closer, real close... closer you are the less you see"
The farther we step back from JFK the event and see it as JFK the puzzle piece, the more context we may discover...
DJ
Nice 'rant' DJ!...and, yes, it is a pretty hard trick to weigh a brain at autopsy without doing a craniotomy. I think only the ancient Egyptian embalmers had a technique for that!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Since there is no reason a european rescue organization for children would have any information on a boy in Ft Worth and New Orleans this is very interesting. I wonder how the Commission dealt with this particular rumor and speculation?
Jim Hargrove Wrote:Since I posted a link a few days ago, John has reworked my original write-up on the Mexico City mini-page to describe more fully the history of each of the four different images of "Lee Harvey Oswald." Definitely worth another look if you just saw my write-up:
After developing a physical condition earlier that required surgery in October, I am a little behind on the posts in this forum and likely will not catch up, so if this issue has been discussed I do apoligize. But, the picture id'd as at the Cuban Consulate that is supposedly LHO, to me at least, resembles the Dealey Plaza Umbrella Man.
LR Trotter Wrote:...... But, the picture id'd as at the Cuban Consulate that is supposedly LHO, to me at least, resembles the Dealey Plaza Umbrella Man.
Well, he does look quite like him, at that....Do we have any photos of him in direct profile...I can't think of one.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
David Josephs Wrote:Seems to me Umbrella man was much thinner...
I do see a resemblence to THIS guy though...
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No, no, not that man...the one to the left of him on the four photos!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Jim Hargrove Wrote:There is new information from just the last few days sure to be of interest to those following the research of John Armstrong about Harvey and Lee Oswald.
It concerns the International Rescue Committee (IRC), which was founded in 1946 by Leo Cherne following a request by Albert Einstein. For four decades, from 1951 to the early 1990s, Cherne served as IRC chairman and seemed to have reasonably obvious CIA ties. In its first year, 1946, the IRC began resettling Eastern European WWII refugees to the United States, including children.
The startling new information involves an FBI report from 12/9/63 indicating that six days earlier an IRC official had informed the NYC FBI office that the IRC had "information pertaining to OSWALD and that same would be made available to Special Agents of the New York Office." This is clearly another fascinating indication that Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald may have been removed from Europe as a child and resettled in the U.S.
JA has worked up several drafts examining the new information, and his finished report should be up on harveyandlee.net within a few days. Thanks to all here for keeping interest in John's work alive.
Jim
Hey there Jim...
The only info I can find on the IRC and the Oswalds has to do with their requests to return from Russia in 61/62. And that EKDAHL was his Stepfather for 3 years... (why include that??) and his divorce info (Fred Korth his attorney)
Are you referring to something else that suggests involvement between LHO and IRC prior to 1961 ??
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Rec...05-37a.pdf Information received re EDWINALBERT EKDAHL, subject's stepfather, set forth.Information contained in files of International Rescue Committee, NYC, re subjectset forth. Interview of DORIS EBEL, whose sistermarried subject's stepbrother, and interview of MARY FUHRMAN, motherof EBEL, set out. On 12/5/63, JOHN J. ABT, Attorney for GUSHALL - BENJAMIN J. DAVIS Defense Committee, NYC, furnished itemsor correspondence between subject (LHO) and above Committee and same setout herein. Employee of General - Services Administration, NYC,advised that one HUGO T. SEGARRA, a co-worker, had stated to herPresident KENNEDY would probably - be killed some day by either aCuban or a Cuban organization. SEGARRA's interview set forth. (DJ: This is the beginning of last of the 4 letters in the archives from the IRC....) LEE H.OSWALD Kalininia St.4, Apt. 24 Minsk,U.S.S.R. [B]January 26,1962[/B] InternationalRescue Committee 215 Park Ave South 'New York, NY "DearSirs, "I'dlike to request your aid in helping myself and my wifeto get resettled in the U.S.A. I am a citizen of theUnited States, I have lived in the Soviet Union since October 1959.My wife is a Soviet citizen, bornin the USSR in 1941.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
The only info I can find on the IRC and the Oswalds has to do with their requests to return from Russia in 61/62. And that EKDAHL was his Stepfather for 3 years... (why include that??) and his divorce info (Fred Korth his attorney)
Are you referring to something else that suggests involvement between LHO and IRC prior to 1961 ??
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Rec...05-37a.pdf Information received re EDWINALBERT EKDAHL, subject's stepfather, set forth.Information contained in files of International Rescue Committee, NYC, re subjectset forth. Interview of DORIS EBEL, whose sistermarried subject's stepbrother, and interview of MARY FUHRMAN, motherof EBEL, set out. On 12/5/63, JOHN J. ABT, Attorney for GUSHALL - BENJAMIN J. DAVIS Defense Committee, NYC, furnished itemsor correspondence between subject (LHO) and above Committee and same setout herein. Employee of General - Services Administration, NYC,advised that one HUGO T. SEGARRA, a co-worker, had stated to herPresident KENNEDY would probably - be killed some day by either aCuban or a Cuban organization. SEGARRA's interview set forth.
(DJ: This is the beginning of last of the 4 letters in the archives from the IRC....) LEE H.OSWALD Kalininia St.4, Apt. 24 Minsk,U.S.S.R. [B]January 26,1962[/B]
InternationalRescue Committee 215 Park Ave South 'New York, NY
"DearSirs,
"I'dlike to request your aid in helping myself and my wifeto get resettled in the U.S.A. I am a citizen of theUnited States, I have lived in the Soviet Union since October 1959.My wife is a Soviet citizen, bornin the USSR in 1941.
Hi, David,
Megathanks for that link! I had seen just the report from O'Flaherty and not the following one in the file you linked quoting the 1/62 letter to IRC from Oswald in Minsk. That certainly could account entirely for Vanden Heuvel's FBI tip, ruining our excitement. OTOH, it could also indicate Harvey Oswald had experience(s) with IRC before, understood what they did, including with WWII orphans, and therefore contacted them in 1962. Don't have the information to prove or disprove that speculation now, though. Thanks again.
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