Earl Rose isn't given the respect due to him in the mainstream media, so this really is for him and his memory and since most realise what a mistake it was to remove the body I'm just pointing out the lack of respect he get's from TV's "historians".
No respect.
Anita,
the JP was still on his way to Parkland and Rose did in fact stop the body from being removed until he got there. When he arrived, Ward being rather inexperienced just did not have the clought to handle the situation but what he should have told the Whitehouse crowd was to leave the body right where it was.Correct?
By all accounts the Ward did just that, with a little encouragement from Rose he told them all to wait till he made some calls.
He called DA Wade, Wade after consulting Burkley and Curry said let them go.
That's when Rose stepped aside. Threats of violence did not impress him.
Legend.
Regarding LBJ.
As mastermind?
That's not what I said or believe, even when I looked at it through Lifton's eyes years ago, LBJ was only considered a tool, I never saw him as the "Brains" of the thing and I don't think David did either. Let me get this straight though, if they continue to wash over what Rose tried to do and how it would have been better for all if he had succeeded then yes I'll jump on that wagon asap rather than listen to the media's current ignorant chorus.
I said above that LBJ gave the order, for selfish reasons, that's what history records fwiw.
Johnson said he wasn't leaving without Jackie(because it would have made him look bad).
I'd enjoy going over that aspect of the case.
02-12-2013, 03:33 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2013, 04:20 PM by David Andrews.)
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Has the possibility that both or all one of you might just have shit for brains? I can imagine the clock is ticking for you on here.
Seamus: while people may disagree as to the time and place of alteration, testimony on "surgery to the head area" performed before the official Bethesda autopsy is compelling, including that of FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill. Do you care to address that instead?
(Seamus) However, like CD I am suspicious of people who turn up without pics and play dumb.
Seamus, my picture has been up for years at the "London Forum" (Education Forum - JFK debate), and I have been reading your writing at CTKA and elsewhere for that long. If you search the DPF forum, you will find my occasional posts, as I have been a member since 2009.
I "turn up" here now with an issue that I invite members to research, because I have never seen it done.
Though I do read this forum, and know many of the members from previous membership at Simkin's forum, I tend to prefer that other forum to this one. I wonder, Why?
02-12-2013, 04:35 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2013, 05:06 PM by Seamus Coogan.)
Donald I apologise, for your tribute concerning Earl Rose degenerating into a gay bondage, free for all, with ponies. In saying that Earl obviously believed he was doing the right thing and had balls to stand up to the secret service. Had the autopsy been carried out in Texas I have no doubt we would be a lot clearer on the evidence. As it stands, obviously Earl was in a gray area. If you want to learn more about JFK. The DPF, and Lancer are the two best forums. However, her as you can see the mods are shall I say "loose" and "Fun." Jeff Morley isn't as shit hot as he thinks he is. However, he is still okay-ish. Most peeps here would say CTKA is where all the best research stuff is. In particularly in as much as debunking LBJ and Parkland.
This piece and the article it links to will help you out.
As for Dave Andrews a refugee from the Ed Forum... well, well, well, and you like it there more than here. Some refugee lol... you should be grateful. You have obviously never partaken in a DPF whipping and pony ride session. It will certainly purge you of your vile EF ways lol. I would very much love to purge you of your inflight JFK body hacking fantasies anytime you wanted cowboy! Sadly I am currently doing a review of Phil Nelson's bilge. However, I am sure beautiful wall flowers like yourself can wait! Till then Davey boy I hope you can dig a pony!::brony::
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
Erm what precisely have you not seen done? Research into faux coffins and faux alterations? You have me there, that stuff has never been discussed before has it? Except by John Hankey, Jim Fetzer, and a little fellow with a big roar, and a crap reputation David Lifton.
Essentially your whole theory is based on Tom Robinsons Comment about the autopsy surgeons enlarged the head wound. Well of course they did; how else can you get the brains out. Humes even testified to sawing the head. Yawn!!!!!!
Here's the testimony.
Dr. HUMES: ...To better examine the situation with regard to the skull, at this time, Boswell and I extended the lacerations of the scalp which were at the margins of this wound, down in the direction of both of the President's ears. At that point, we had even a better appreciation of the extensive damage which had been done to the skull by this injury. We had to do virtually no work with a saw to remove these Portions of the skull, they came apart in our hands very easily, and we attempted to further examine the brain, and seek specifically this fragment which was the one we felt to be of a size which would permit us to recover it. (2H354)
Read Roger Feinman, Weisberg, and Harrison Livingstone's demolitions of Lifton's stuff. There is nothing fresh about your questions in any manner. You are clearly pushing an agenda. Nonetheless, I am glad you read our stuff at CTKA. However, I do not know if you take much in. The reason being I can see in this thread here.
Anyhow, must run Dave. I am a little more open to the possibility of some photographic alterations than Marty. However, the type of Liftonesque stuff you are punting for is not worth talking about.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Erm what precisely have you not seen done? Research into faux coffins and faux alterations? You have me there, that stuff has never been discussed before has it? Except by John Hankey, Jim Fetzer, and a little fellow with a big roar, and a crap reputation David Lifton.
Essentially your whole theory is based on Tom Robinsons Comment about the autopsy surgeons enlarged the head wound. Well of course they did; how else can you get the brains out. Humes even testified to sawing the head. Yawn!!!!!!
Here's the testimony.
Dr. HUMES: ...To better examine the situation with regard to the skull, at this time, Boswell and I extended the lacerations of the scalp which were at the margins of this wound, down in the direction of both of the President's ears. At that point, we had even a better appreciation of the extensive damage which had been done to the skull by this injury. We had to do virtually no work with a saw to remove these Portions of the skull, they came apart in our hands very easily, and we attempted to further examine the brain, and seek specifically this fragment which was the one we felt to be of a size which would permit us to recover it. (2H354)
Read Roger Feinman, Weisberg, and Harrison Livingstone's demolitions of Lifton's stuff. There is nothing fresh about your questions in any manner. You are clearly pushing an agenda. Nonetheless, I am glad you read our stuff at CTKA. However, I do not know if you take much in. The reason being I can see in this thread here.
Anyhow, must run Dave. I am a little more open to the possibility of some photographic alterations than Marty. However, the type of Liftonesque stuff you are punting for is not worth talking about.
Seamus, I am not pushing an agenda other than discussion. Surgery to the top of the skull prior to the officially recorded Bethesda autopsy was duly noted by several medical and law enforcement witnesses. It is painful to witness your need to pre-empt consideration of this matter out of your own impatience and self-aggrandizement. Having read your more rational work, I would never have expected this treatment from you.
I rather suspect that your agenda is that you are posting while drunk. My recommendation is that you go forthwith and do to yourself what your parents were compelled to do to each other in order to produce a misbegotten creep such as yourself. If this costs me my membership, so be it.
Magda Hassan Wrote:Seamus my lad. You might want to edit your post to make it less personal about who has or has not got shit for brains and focus more on what the brain comes up with in the way of supported or unsupported research. ::
Hmmmm, I really like the latest reply, that's smart, and that's real research by Anita. Quite clearly Earl got his facts wrong. I am not asking people be as good as her. However, like CD I am suspicious of people who turn up without pics and play dumb. We know where this is going... however, thanks for the lash. I was feeling in the mood yes, yes, whip the CD out of me! ROFL... again, again ROFL.
If you are referring to Earl Rose, he was very aware of the law and knew what was required. I made the post to simply highlight what his limitations were that day.
I shall ignore the last post by Dave Andrews. He really is no fun... sheesh people that don't like a beer are so rude to people that do sometimes.
Anita the whippings and horses were not aimed at you. Indeed, I find what you have to say intriguing. Furthermore, I find Donalds post is actually very interesting. Please tell me if Earl was well aware of the law why did he put up such a struggle? A common myth indeed one I believed until a few hours ago was the "Old Texas law" line. Was Earl just being obnoxious, if so that goes against a lot of reports stating Earl was a really decent guy.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
Seamus Coogan Wrote:Erm what precisely have you not seen done? Research into faux coffins and faux alterations? You have me there, that stuff has never been discussed before has it? Except by John Hankey, Jim Fetzer, and a little fellow with a big roar, and a crap reputation David Lifton.
Essentially your whole theory is based on Tom Robinsons Comment about the autopsy surgeons enlarged the head wound. Well of course they did; how else can you get the brains out. Humes even testified to sawing the head. Yawn!!!!!!
Here's the testimony.
Dr. HUMES: ...To better examine the situation with regard to the skull, at this time, Boswell and I extended the lacerations of the scalp which were at the margins of this wound, down in the direction of both of the President's ears. At that point, we had even a better appreciation of the extensive damage which had been done to the skull by this injury. We had to do virtually no work with a saw to remove these Portions of the skull, they came apart in our hands very easily, and we attempted to further examine the brain, and seek specifically this fragment which was the one we felt to be of a size which would permit us to recover it. (2H354)
Read Roger Feinman, Weisberg, and Harrison Livingstone's demolitions of Lifton's stuff. There is nothing fresh about your questions in any manner. You are clearly pushing an agenda. Nonetheless, I am glad you read our stuff at CTKA. However, I do not know if you take much in. The reason being I can see in this thread here.
Anyhow, must run Dave. I am a little more open to the possibility of some photographic alterations than Marty. However, the type of Liftonesque stuff you are punting for is not worth talking about.
Seamus, I am not pushing an agenda other than discussion. Surgery to the top of the skull prior to the officially recorded Bethesda autopsy was duly noted by several medical and law enforcement witnesses. It is painful to witness your need to pre-empt consideration of this matter out of your own impatience and self-aggrandizement. Having read your more rational work, I would never have expected this treatment from you.
I rather suspect that your agenda is that you are posting while drunk. My recommendation is that you go forthwith and do to yourself what your parents were compelled to do to each other in order to produce a misbegotten creep such as yourself. If this costs me my membership, so be it.
"Surgery to the top of the skull prior to the officially recorded Bethesda autopsy was duly noted by several medical and law enforcement witnesses."
Really? Who were they then?
Your parting comments to Seamus weren't very nice. Might I suggest you try to develop a sense of humour?
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