Sean Murphy's research deserves more

[Tony Fratini]

I think Sean's work on Prayer Man is very important.

It is is many ways some of the most crucial work to emerge of late in the field. Hands down.

To think of some of the people who spoke at the recent 50th conferences, and yet Sean did not?

That says a lot.

If he is correct, and it sure does seem that he is right now, its a game changer.

Jim,

if you combine that with the Victoria Adams story, one can demonstrate that her testimony was tampered with. I spent a long time mapping her and Sandra Styles movements post shots on another Forum, at it was very clear that she did indeed exit the TSBD within a minute.

Frazier very likely knew who PM was, he was standing within feet of him.

The research re PM is at a stalemate unless a higher quality image can be found/obtained.

[Bob Prudhomme]

I think Sean's work on Prayer Man is very important.

It is is many ways some of the most crucial work to emerge of late in the field. Hands down.

To think of some of the people who spoke at the recent 50th conferences, and yet Sean did not?

That says a lot.

If he is correct, and it sure does seem that he is right now, its a game changer.

Jim,

if you combine that with the Victoria Adams story, one can demonstrate that her testimony was tampered with. I spent a long time mapping her and Sandra Styles movements post shots on another Forum, at it was very clear that she did indeed exit the TSBD within a minute.

Frazier very likely knew who PM was, he was standing within feet of him.

The research re PM is at a stalemate unless a higher quality image can be found/obtained.

The stalemate could also end if BWF's memory was to "improve".

[Bob Prudhomme]

Sean quit posting at the Ed. Forum last year and hasn't been seen there since. Has anyone seen him on any other forums?

[Tony Fratini]

I think Sean's work on Prayer Man is very important.

It is is many ways some of the most crucial work to emerge of late in the field. Hands down.

To think of some of the people who spoke at the recent 50th conferences, and yet Sean did not?

That says a lot.

If he is correct, and it sure does seem that he is right now, its a game changer.

Jim,

if you combine that with the Victoria Adams story, one can demonstrate that her testimony was tampered with. I spent a long time mapping her and Sandra Styles movements post shots on another Forum, at it was very clear that she did indeed exit the TSBD within a minute.

Frazier very likely knew who PM was, he was standing within feet of him.

The research re PM is at a stalemate unless a higher quality image can be found/obtained.

The stalemate could also end if BWF's memory was to "improve".

Bob,

BWF didn't even recognise himself in the Darnell frame. But it finally proved he was correct all along where he said he stood on the steps. He of course can not be seen in Altgens 6. There is no way that BWF is going to suddenly get "total recall" on who PM was. Too many years have gone by to start causing any "controversies" at this stage of his life. He was after all 19 when all this went down and it completely changed everything for him thereafter. PM appears to be wearing "workers" clothes and was likely holding a bottle in his hands. There are photos that show a soda pop bottle and bag on the very same spot as PM was standing.

However, how did everyone fail to see him/her standing there? If PM was LHO, what about the second floor encounter? It's enough to do one's head in.

[Albert Doyle]

In my mind for Sean's theory to work you have to have Oswald in the lunchroom at 12:25 according to Arnold (and Oswald per Fritz). Then he has to go down to the front steps unseen and appear in front of the whole host of front step characters unseen. He has to be standing right next to Lovelady unseen and then be seen right square in the face by the several dozen people shown in Darnell without any of those persons mentioning it. If you then compare this scenario to the statistical average of the reporting seen elsewhere in the assassination it is impossible that Oswald would come up zero as far as fringe witnesses chiming-in like they did elsewhere. Don't forget Oswald also has to then rush back in and get to the lunchroom in time for Baker and Truly unseen.

If you look at sample photos of persons holding Coke bottles you can clearly see the bottle. The Prayer Man shot shows nothing. Also, the shot showing a glint in Prayer Man's hand is almost certainly his hand sticking out into the sunlight coming around the edge of the portal. It shows no bottle. You can see his left forearm is also partially illuminated by it.

I think this is a common sense issue. Darnell shows what is basically being claimed as Lee Harvey Oswald right out in the open in the portal. Do you honestly think nobody would mention this?

[Bob Prudhomme]

In my mind for Sean's theory to work you have to have Oswald in the lunchroom at 12:25 according to Arnold (and Oswald per Fritz). Then he has to go down to the front steps unseen and appear in front of the whole host of front step characters unseen. He has to be standing right next to Lovelady unseen and then be seen right square in the face by the several dozen people shown in Darnell without any of those persons mentioning it. If you then compare this scenario to the statistical average of the reporting seen elsewhere in the assassination it is impossible that Oswald would come up zero as far as fringe witnesses chiming-in like they did elsewhere. Don't forget Oswald also has to then rush back in and get to the lunchroom in time for Baker and Truly unseen.

If you look at sample photos of persons holding Coke bottles you can clearly see the bottle. The Prayer Man shot shows nothing. Also, the shot showing a glint in Prayer Man's hand is almost certainly his hand sticking out into the sunlight coming around the edge of the portal. It shows no bottle. You can see his left forearm is also partially illuminated by it.

I think this is a common sense issue. Darnell shows what is basically being claimed as Lee Harvey Oswald right out in the open in the portal. Do you honestly think nobody would mention this?

You miss the whole point here, Albert. It is not just that PM is not seen, recognized and remembered as Lee Harvey Oswald by the persons on the steps, including Frazier who appears to be looking directly at PM, it is that PM is not remembered by anyone. Of course, Frazier also claims not to recall seeing a white helmeted police officer run past him, either, on his way into the TSBD. This alone stretches the imagination almost to the breaking point.

As for the 2nd floor meeting with Baker, Truly and Oswald, it is quite apparent this meeting never actually took place. Baker makes no mention of it in his first day statement, only making a vague reference to stopping an employee on the 3rd or 4th floor who was seen walking away from the stair landing.

Do yourself a favour. Go to the Ed. Forum and read the thread.

[Lauren Johnson]

As for the 2nd floor meeting with Baker, Truly and Oswald, it is quite apparent this meeting never actually took place. Baker makes no mention of it in his first day statement, only making a vague reference to stopping an employee on the 3rd or 4th floor who was seen walking away from the stair landing.

OK. NOW I get it. And here I thought he was updating his Facebook page.

Heading over to EF right now.

[Albert Doyle]

You miss the whole point here, Albert. It is not just that PM is not seen, recognized and remembered as Lee Harvey Oswald by the persons on the steps, including Frazier who appears to be looking directly at PM, it is that PM is not remembered by anyone. Of course, Frazier also claims not to recall seeing a white helmeted police officer run past him, either, on his way into the TSBD. This alone stretches the imagination almost to the breaking point.

You're just conflating speculation. Although I do agree Frazier isn't credible for many reasons, from the car pool to the Oswald walking down the Houston Street sidewalk.

As for the 2nd floor meeting with Baker, Truly and Oswald, it is quite apparent this meeting never actually took place. Baker makes no mention of it in his first day statement, only making a vague reference to stopping an employee on the 3rd or 4th floor who was seen walking away from the stair landing.

Do yourself a favour. Go to the Ed. Forum and read the thread.

I must have missed your response to my previous submission that Oswald was known to be a spook and was already recorded as having his statements concealed by the Dallas Police. It is very possible Baker either knew Oswald was a spook or someone told him to not mention him in his first affidavit. You forget that Oswald being in the lunchroom at 12:25 and then bridging over to 12:31:30 makes it likely he was there in between. There's witnesses for that. Your theory, on the other hand, has Oswald taking a long route of exposure for which there is zero witnessing. Why is it that you quote the Victoria Adams' witnessing of Oswald's absence yet ignore this conspicuous absence?

Another easily understandable explanation for Baker's lack of mention of Oswald in his first affidavit is a rather obvious one isn't it? He was told not to mention the encounter because it exonerated Oswald and put him in a place at a time that history proved he couldn't have gotten to from the 6th Floor. It's very easily explained as being proof of the ongoing conspiracy that was trying frame Oswald in advance.

In my repeated posting of the number of people who would absolutely have to had stared Oswald right in the face in the Darnell Film I have yet to see you give a direct answer to that. It's beyond statistical possibility that that many persons would be exposed to Oswald standing right out in the open and not say anything. It really doesn't go past this if you use common sense (in my opinion).


I have read the Education Forum thread. It contains no more valid evidence than this thread.


I have a very good eye. If you look closely in the Darnell motion clip at the very end you can see the outline of Prayer Man's hands in contrast to the background. There's no bottle in his hand.

[Tony Fratini]

In my mind for Sean's theory to work you have to have Oswald in the lunchroom at 12:25 according to Arnold (and Oswald per Fritz). Then he has to go down to the front steps unseen and appear in front of the whole host of front step characters unseen. He has to be standing right next to Lovelady unseen and then be seen right square in the face by the several dozen people shown in Darnell without any of those persons mentioning it. If you then compare this scenario to the statistical average of the reporting seen elsewhere in the assassination it is impossible that Oswald would come up zero as far as fringe witnesses chiming-in like they did elsewhere. Don't forget Oswald also has to then rush back in and get to the lunchroom in time for Baker and Truly unseen.

If you look at sample photos of persons holding Coke bottles you can clearly see the bottle. The Prayer Man shot shows nothing. Also, the shot showing a glint in Prayer Man's hand is almost certainly his hand sticking out into the sunlight coming around the edge of the portal. It shows no bottle. You can see his left forearm is also partially illuminated by it.

I think this is a common sense issue. Darnell shows what is basically being claimed as Lee Harvey Oswald right out in the open in the portal. Do you honestly think nobody would mention this?

Albert,

PM can not have his hand sticking out into the sunlight, because that would mean having his hand extend past BNL, who himself is half in shadow. Also you can not see PM in Altgens 6, so he clearly is behind BNL. What does capture the sunlight could either be a glass object or a bracelet?

If PM is not LHO, then who is he/she? Strange spot to observe the POTUS go by, don't you think? Most people are on the other side. By a process of elimination, either PM is a random stranger from the public or is LHO. If PM was LHO, NOT withstanding all the issues that you raised, then the second floor encounter is bogus.

I am curious on how someone could be standing a mere few feet from BNL and BWF and remain incognito? Everyone on those steps could state who they were with, all bar PM.

[LR Trotter]

I suppose I am the only person to believe that the person identified as "PrayerMan" is quite possibly a female, somewhat stocky with short hair, and maybe middle aged, and holding their arms that way to hold a purse by the strap. Yes, I suppose I'm the only one.
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No you're not, I suggested something like that further upstream in the thread.

Yes Tracy, after looking back, I found 2 posts where you referenced the possibility of PM being female. I believe post #6 and post #17, and I'm thinking maybe I forgot they were posted, because they seem familiar after a re-read. Thanks.
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