28-03-2014, 04:23 AM (This post was last modified: 28-03-2014, 05:00 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
A partial list of leads or purposely mis-leads or red herrings or...?
* an oil rig worker who reports seeing something that stretches the limits of human perception; * a couple of eyewitness accounts of a large unidentified aircraft flying low over the Malay Peninsula; * a couple of eyewitness accounts of a large unidentified aircraft flying low over the Maldives; * a lone (suspected) fire bottle washed up on a Maldives beach; * RADAR contacts that seem to be beyond the capabilities of a loaded B777 (more information on how the apparent climb and descent rates and time at FL450 compare with the capabilities of the B777 might clarify this) * an "expert" who theorises that a captain with over 18000 hours logged, when faced with smoke in the cockpit, not only deviated from the "oh fuck my plane's burning" checklist, but completely disregarded it and attempted his own highly speculative procedure.
...there are many others....:hock::::bluebaron::
I think there was something VERY special about that flight - I don't know what - but can speculate...so special they refuse to tell what it is...and spin stories to make one look in other directions. i.e. a deep dark secret handled the way a magician would - with misdirection of attention.
And a re-direction of the Southern search zone by over 1000Km! - very odd ::bowtie:: placing it almost exactly at the Diamantina Deep - the deepest part of the Indian Ocean - methinks not a coincidence! IF [BIG IF!] the plane went down there...I wish them luck in finding the flight recorders at that depth!!!! [7.3 Km down!]:tampfeet:: Now, that's DEEP!
The Diamantina Deep is located in the Diamantina Trench southwest of Perth, Western Australia. The Diamantina Trench is in the eastern part of the larger Diamantina Fracture Zone, which stretches from the Ninety East Ridge to the Naturaliste Plateau, which lies off the lower part of Southwest Australia.[SUP][1][/SUP] A survey in 1961 by the Australian oceanographic survey ship HMAS Diamantina (K377) confirmed the bathymetry as well as conducting a scientific survey. The trench was named after her. It is located about 1,125 km west-southwest of Perth at 35°S and 104°E and has been measured at 8,047 m (26,401 ft) deep. However, current etopo1-data[SUP][2][/SUP] show a maximum depth of only 7,299 m (23,947 ft) at 34.83°S 102.57°E.
The search area for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been updated after a new credible lead was provided to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA). As a result today's search will shift to an area 1,100 kilometres to the north east based on updated advice provided by the international investigation team in Malaysia. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), Australia's investigation agency, has examined this advice and determined that this is the most credible lead to where debris may be located. The new search area is approximately 319,000 square kilometres and around 1,850 kilometres west of Perth. The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost. It indicated that the aircraft was travelling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance the aircraft travelled south into the Indian Ocean. ATSB advises the potential flight path may be the subject of further refinement as the international investigative team supporting the search continues their analysis. The Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation is re-tasking satellites to image the new area. Weather conditions have improved in the area and ten aircraft are tasked for today's search. They include two Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard jet, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea C130 Hercules, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese military Ilyushin IL-76, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft, and one civil jet acting as a communications relay. A further RAAF P3 Orion has been placed on standby at Pearce to investigate any reported sightings. There are now six vessels relocating to the new search area including HMAS Success and five Chinese ships.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
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This is really melting down. They need to create some low frequency type of pinger that sends a signal further and is easier to find. That would save a lot of expensive equipment-intensive searching.
28-03-2014, 08:06 AM (This post was last modified: 28-03-2014, 09:11 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Old and new search areas....and they were so sure [both by calculations of satellite data, withheld data, and satellite images of 'debris in the old areas....what a difference a day makes in this wild, Wild Goose Chase! Don't believe much anything, until it is officially denied......
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5830[/ATTACH] You can see the deep, deep trench just under the last arrow.....what a coincidence ::! Is it possible someone wanted all evidence 'deeply hidden'? [in both senses of that term]....the amount of wasted search effort is amazing - and not yet over by a long shot!
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Pan Am 103 occurred on 21 December 1988 and is only NOW getting close to being solved in the public forum....it is still being actively covered up by multiple countries and parties. Will we have to wait as long to know the truth here? My hunch is yes!...maybe longer, given the 'deep' burial [apparently] of the evidence and the very deep nature [implied] of the 'reasons' for whatever happened.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
As you suggest in your earlier post, all the new "viable" search zone does is take us on another merry - and surely ultimately fruitless - chase. Each new twist takes us all further away from the truth.
If this is the case, then the obvious thing to do is focus research efforts on the early days and early facts, because the wizards wouldn't need to employ their tricks of deflection if there wasn't something in the other hand.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
31-03-2014, 06:50 AM (This post was last modified: 31-03-2014, 07:18 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
Things are getting very strange 'out there'. No floating items in the ocean have been found that can be attributed to the flight - most found thus far has been standard ocean garbage [of which there is all too much worldwide]. Now, there is making the rounds a very strange story [which I have no reason to believe as true rather than a manufactured hoax] that one American engineer named Wood sent an all BLACK photo of himself [no image visible - the articles showing it claim because he is in a dark prison cell] via his iPhone which he hid up his anus, but with the coordinates for Diego Garcia [US secret military base] embedded in the dark 'no image image'. Again, I spent some time looking into this today, and can only say that while the GPS data is included, a good hacker could have conjured that - or someone purposely diverting attention from the real location. Go figure. ::willynilly::While not impossible - the whole scenario is IMHO very very implausible and likely a cruel hoax...from the putting an iPhone up one's anus [doable, but not likely nor free from painful!] to a prisoner never having light - very unlikely. Add to that why would the military which controls Diego Garcia have need of a plane or these passengers as hostage? - I can think of no such scenario....that makes much sense.
That said, I have no good lead on what actually did happen. It seems to me that whoever pulled this event off carefully planned every detail to hide the path and fate of the plane and those within it. I think it will be a long time before we learn - if ever. Perhaps that is the 'message' - and the effects this will have on aviation, generally. I would expect airport frisking/searching/scanning/interrogations to intensify manifold!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
PETALING JAYA: International search and rescue efforts are still scouring the vast surface of the Indian Ocean for debris, but when the time comes for a deep-sea underwater search, the tools for it are ready for deployment.
It has been 23 days since Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 went missing, and 26 nations have contributed both manpower and technology to find the wreckage of the Boeing 777 aircraft, which was said to have ended its journey in the sea.
However, the need to locate the aircraft's flight data recorder - the so-called black box - is growing, and time is fast running out as its on-board batteries are said to be able to last for 30 days before it stops emitting locator pings.
However, what exactly will be used in the event of a deep-sea, underwater search? Phoenix Towed Pinger Locator 25
According to the US Navy, which operates the Towed Pinger Locator or TPL-25, it is a 29kg system which "meets the Navy's requirement for locating emergency relocation pingers on downed Navy and commercial aircraft down to a maximum depth of 20,000 feet anywhere in the world", according to its page on the official Navy website. The US Navy's TPL-25 Towed Pinger Locator.
The website explains that the TPL-25 consists of the tow fish, tow cable, winch, hydraulic power unit, generator, and topside control console.
"Navigation is accomplished by using algorithms incorporating the amount of cable in the water, the depth indication from the pressure sensor and other parameters. The generator provides electrical power for the system or power from the support platform can be used if it is compatible. The tow fish carries a passive listening device for detecting pingers that automatically transmit an acoustic pulse," it adds.
The official page adds that most pingers transmit every second at 37.5kHz, although the TPL can detect any pinger transmitting between 3.5kHz and 50kHz at any repetition rate.
"The Pinger Locator is towed behind a vessel at slow speeds, generally from one to five knots depending on the depth. The received acoustic signal of the pinger is transmitted up the cable and is presented audibly, and can be output to either an oscilloscope, or signal processing computer. The operator monitors the greatest signal strength and records the navigation coordinates," it said. Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle
The Bluefin-21 is a 750kg, 4.93m-long "modular autonomous underwater vehicle able to carry multiple sensors and payloads at once" according to the Bluefin Robotics website. The Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle is launched from a ship.
"It boasts a high energy capacity that enables extended operations even at the greatest depths. The Bluefin-21 has immense capability but is also flexible enough to operate from various ships of opportunity worldwide," said Bluefin Robotics on its official page.
Bluefin Robotics added that the Bluefin-21 is used for off-shore survey, search and salvage, archaeology and exploration, oceanography, mine countermeasures and unexploded ordnance searches. 'Abyss' type deep-sea submarine
Three deep-sea submarines used to search for wreckage of the crashed Air France Flight 447 have also been sent to aid in the search for MH370.
The three "Abyss" type submarines can dive to depths of 6,000m and stay submerged for up to 24 hours. Two researchers stand behind the "Abyss" deep-sea submarine in this file picture. - EPA
They are used by two organisations, the Helmholtz Oceanography Institute in Kiel, Germany, which owns one and the Woods Hole Institute in Massachusetts in the United States which owns the other two.
The Abyss submarine has bathymetry, temperature, water velocity, salinity, sound speed, sidescan sonar, sound speed, optical backscatter and flourescence sensors, among others.
According to its official page on the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute website, "the deep ocean version, known as Semi-Autonomous Mapping System (SAMS), dives to 6,000m and can be operated from most any research vessel or ship that can accommodate a portable lab."
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Things are getting very strange 'out there'. No floating items in the ocean have been found that can be attributed to the flight - most found thus far has been standard ocean garbage [of which there is all too much worldwide]. Now, there is making the rounds a very strange story [which I have no reason to believe as true rather than a manufactured hoax] that one American engineer named Wood sent an all BLACK photo of himself [no image visible - the articles showing it claim because he is in a dark prison cell] via his iPhone which he hid up his anus, but with the coordinates for Diego Garcia [US secret military base] embedded in the dark 'no image image'. Again, I spent some time looking into this today, and can only say that while the GPS data is included, a good hacker could have conjured that - or someone purposely diverting attention from the real location. Go figure. ::willynilly::While not impossible - the whole scenario is IMHO very very implausible and likely a cruel hoax...from the putting an iPhone up one's anus [doable, but not likely nor free from painful!] to a prisoner never having light - very unlikely. Add to that why would the military which controls Diego Garcia have need of a plane or these passengers as hostage? - I can think of no such scenario....that makes much sense.
That said, I have no good lead on what actually did happen. It seems to me that whoever pulled this event off carefully planned every detail to hide the path and fate of the plane and those within it. I think it will be a long time before we learn - if ever. Perhaps that is the 'message' - and the effects this will have on aviation, generally. I would expect airport frisking/searching/scanning/interrogations to intensify manifold!
Diego Garcia keeps popping up doesn't it. It featured in that Russian language post I made some days back. But it is impossible to make a reasonable judgement on it, so free of actual evidence it is.
An iPhone? Blimey. That'd bring real tears to your eyes...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
David Guyatt Wrote:Diego Garcia keeps popping up doesn't it. It featured in that Russian language post I made some days back. But it is impossible to make a reasonable judgement on it, so free of actual evidence it is.
An iPhone? Blimey. That'd bring real tears to your eyes...
I've been rooting around the fringe sites on this too. None of these links come with any kind of recommendation but they do contain some thought-provoking stuff.
Actual evidence is needed and the eye-watering i-phone + pic IS evidence of a sort; viz, Genuine, planted (Cass Sunstein-like) or malicious (per some sicko - on the "Sunsein-like" payroll or not)? that is the question.
But as you say Diego Garcia does keep popping up. Apparently a Maldives overfly would gel with a Diago Garcia approach from the last position provided by the Malays and a sighting of a low-flying 'airliner' was reported
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David Guyatt Wrote:Diego Garcia keeps popping up doesn't it. It featured in that Russian language post I made some days back. But it is impossible to make a reasonable judgement on it, so free of actual evidence it is.
An iPhone? Blimey. That'd bring real tears to your eyes...
I've been rooting around the fringe sites on this too. None of these links come with any kind of recommendation but they do contain some thought-provoking stuff.
Actual evidence is needed and the eye-watering i-phone + pic IS evidence of a sort; viz, Genuine, planted (Cass Sunstein-like) or malicious (per some sicko - on the "Sunsein-like" payroll or not)? that is the question.
But as you say Diego Garcia does keep popping up. Apparently a Maldives overfly would gel with a Diago Garcia approach from the last position provided by the Malays and a sighting of a low-flying 'airliner' was reported
Well, I agree that just as they have with so many other black operations [which I'm more and more inclined to include in that rubrik], Sunstein-like false evidence trails help with the general confusion and making anyone trying to do honest research look like a fool to most. Yes, Diego Garcia keeps popping up. Now, that could mean that it was in some way involved [either in cloaking the flight - or in being used as the landing/hiding place for it] - or it could be that throw-away false trail to keep many from looking in the correct direction. Diego Garcia is UK owned, but US operated and HIGHLY secret as to what goes on there. I don't believe anyone ever admits to being stationed there - before, during, or after - even being there - let alone what one does/did there and what goes on there is top secret and not spoken about. It has an airport and it has many highly sophisticated electronics facilities - whether they handle ground based or space based information - likely both - is not known. It is a black site in the true sense.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
MI6, CIA involvement in flight MH370 probe sparks terrorism speculation
Malaysian authorities have revealed secret services from the UK, the US and China have been involved in the investigations into the disappearance of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, adding to speculation that the plane’s disappearance could be down to terrorism, The Independent reported today. It said MI6, the CIA and Chinese... It said MI6, the CIA and Chinese agencies have been looking into the flight simulator found in the home of the flight's Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, though acting transport minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein (pic) said the FBI has found nothing sinister in the device.
The report said Hishammuddin had said the Inspector-General of Police had highlighted the "four possible scenarios of what could have caused the plane to disappear, which are terrorism, hijacking, personal and psychological problems, or technical failure.
"These scenarios have been discussed at length with different intelligence agencies," he was quoted as saying in the report.
The Sydney Morning Herald in its report today said crash investigators believe the disappearance of the plane and the decision to disable the communications system appear to have been deliberate. But they have found no evidence of a motive.
It said MI6 is understood to have helped with extensive background checks on each of the 239 passengers and crew on the plane but nothing suspicious has emerged.
SMH reported that Hishammuddin had said MI6 was also examining "pings" emitted by the plane which are being used to plot its route over the seven hours after its communications systems were disabled.
The Malaysia Airlines flight vanished off radar screens on its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing more than three weeks ago. An explanation for its disappearance has so far proved elusive.
The plane turned wildly off course, its communications systems were "deliberately" disconnected and it carried on flying south over the Indian Ocean. It is thought to have run out of fuel and crashed into the southern part of the Indian Ocean west of Perth, Western Australia.
The suggestion that intelligence agencies are involved will renew speculation that its disappearance was a criminal act, not mechanical failure.
The Malaysian police investigation has centred on MH370's pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah. But an examination of a flight simulator seized from his home has uncovered "nothing sinister", Hishammuddin said.
Zaharie, 53, a father of three and a veteran pilot, used the simulator to play games.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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