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Peter Lemkin Wrote:I've not vetted this 'theory'....just putting it out there for your enlightenment and amusement....if someone can even imagine such a complex scenario, imagine what scenario was really undertaken!..... Stranger things have happened and we have proof of!.....
While the USA is withdrawing from Afghanistan one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed it into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Taliban want is money. They offered to sell the system to the Russians & the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine but the Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defence scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia , thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they were determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese decided that it would be safest to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American would not hijack or harm a civilian aircraft ... So MH370 was the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with the Boeing's operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 was about to leave Malaysian air space and was reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How can AWAC do this ? Remember the 9/11 incident ? After the 9/11 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) were fitted with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings can be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system is used to control pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They did not dare to fly east to the Philippines or Guam because the whole of the South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed in the Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of the Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead people will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers took off again via remote control and crashed into the South Indian Ocean, causing the world to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and hence blame the defiant captain and co-pilot.
The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort into the South China Sea while the plane made its way to the Indian Ocean . Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is complicit.
The amount of effort put in by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean, is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly because of the high value cargo and its 8 top defence scientists.
An interesting theory, and one that would explain many strange things....BUT, one thing that would not make sense here is flying the 'cargo' to China - as Afghanistan and China have a land border....but such a complex story, to me, smells of intelligence-inspired disinformation to hide the real magic that went on!....and is going on still....
As far as I know the cargo manifest has NOT been released. There were rumors of lithium batteries - but only rumors. I'm inclined to think the cargo may hold [pun intended] the answers.
From the Maskargo page ( http://www.maskargo.com/fleet/aircraft/boeing-777-200)
Quote:Areas of Destinations
Frankfurt, Zurich, Rome, Vienna, Newark, Kuching, Narita, Hong Kong, Dubai, Auckland, Brisbane, Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne, Pudong.
Cargo Capacity
Between 7-12 tons with full passenger load
How did they get this thing from Taliban territory to Malaysia again? And why not just put it on a ship and sail it up the South China Sea? One can only imagine how many containers arrive in China every day.
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Quote:In the United States, the "Safe Aviation Flight Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2003" was introduced on June 26, 2003 by Congressman David Price (NC) and Congressman John Duncan (Tennessee) as a bipartisan effort to ensure investigators have access to information immediately following commercial accidents.[27] On July 19, 2005, a revised SAFE Act was introduced and referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the U.S. House of Representatives. The bill was referred to the House Subcommittee on Aviation during the 108th, 109th, and 110th congresses.[28][29][30] On March 12, 2014 in response to the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Congressman David Price re-introduced the concept in the House of Representatives.[31] The SAFE Act calls for implementing the NTSB 1999 recommendations. Under the NTSB's recommendations, operators would be required to install two sets of combination Cockpit Voice and Data Recorder (CVDR) systems (or "Black Boxes"). The SAFE Act calls for making the second CVDR set "deployable or ejectable". The "deployable" recorder combines the cockpit voice/flight data recorders and an emergency locator transmitter (ELT) in a single unit. The "deployable" unit would depart the aircraft milliseconds before impact, activated by sensors. The unit is designed to "eject" and "fly" away from the crash site, to survive the terminal velocity of fall, to float on water indefinitely, and would be equipped with satellite technology for immediate location of crash impact site. The "deployable" CVDR technology has been used by the U.S. Navy since 1993.[32] The recommendations would involve a massive retrofit program. However, government funding would negate cost objections from manufacturers and airlines. Operators would get both sets of recorders for free: they would not have to pay for the one set they are currently required by law to carry. The cost of the second "deployable/ejectable CVDR" (or "Black Box") was estimated at $30 million for installation in 500 new aircraft (about $60,000 per new commercial plane). The SAFE ACT legislation failed to pass in 2003 (H.R. 2632) or in 2005 (H.R. 3336) or in 2007 (H.R. 4336).
VERY strange that this legislation, which anyone can see was long needed and cheap besides FAILED three times and has not been attempted to vote on since 2007....someone 'high up' IMHO doesn't want the capacity for REALLY knowing what has happened to crashed airplanes - which so conveniently can get rid of certain persons or cargo or create false-flag or other black operations.
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Flight MH370: insurers make first pay out on missing Malaysia Airlines planeFamilies of passengers on the Boeing 777 have received hardship payments and the airline has been paid for the planeA woman writes on the message board in support of the passengers and family members of the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, at a shopping mall in Bangsar near Kuala Lumpur Photo: REUTERS
By Harry Wilson, Banking Editor
9:42PM GMT 23 Mar 2014
Malaysia Airlines has already been handed $110 million (£67 million) by insurers over the loss of its missing Boeing 777 on flight MH370 that is the subject of an international search after disappearing more than two weeks ago.
Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty has paid the money into an escrow account and also agreed to make hardships payments to the families of the missing airliner's passengers, to cover their costs while the hunt for the plane continues.
The payment was made in accordance with standard air travel industry policy which says that if a plane has been missing for more than two days then it is assumed it has been destroyed.
The policy was originally taken out in Malaysia but, as is common practice in the industry, it was reinsured with a group of large international financial groups lead by Allianz.
Depending on the outcome of the search and rescue operation for MH370, which is now thought to havecrashed in the Indian Ocean more than 1,000 miles off the west coast of Australia, the insurers could pay out tens of millions of pounds more to bereaved families of the 239 people on board. International rules stipulate a minimum payment per passenger of £105,000.
If terrorism or negligence is found to have played a role it could alter the size and liability of the payouts and insurers are watching closely the hunt for the missing jet.
The Boeing 777 went missing in the early hours of the morning of March 8 on a flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing.
An investigation into the loss have looked at potential terrorism and hijacking, as well as the possibility the plane's pilots could have been a deliberate attempt to reroute the aircraft for unknown reasons.
If this were found to be the case, it could have a bearing on the ultimate liability of the insures, though a source close to the underwriters said it was "too early" to speculate on the fate of the plane.
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If these pinger signals are real it narrows it down and they should be on it soon. That would wipe a lot of northern route material off the screen.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:If these pinger signals are real it narrows it down and they should be on it soon. That would wipe a lot of northern route material off the screen.
Maybe - unless two or one or three pingers and/or flight data recorders were 'salted' along the S. Route. It is nothing short of amazing [given the information made public] that anyone found the signals so quickly. I'll wait and see.....color me skeptical. Even IF they belong to the mystery aircraft [and as said I remain skeptical] anyone who would have gone to the trouble they did would also have made sure the flight data recorders contained NO information - which is not very hard to do. Salted FDRs could, of course, contain salted [fake] flight data. I think this whole thing is far from over.
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Steve Franklin Wrote:Which "analysis" has been debunked by Duncan Steel: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/549
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Steve, this question was put to Duncan:
Thermal satellite is fairly easy technology. If you look at weather satellites they give high-contrast color separation to cloud temperatures that vary by only 125 degrees or so. The heat exhaust off the 777 engine would be hundreds of degrees against a -50 degree background and should be easily within existing technology. Especially when the aircraft was allegedly flying well out of normal flyways in the middle of nowhere. Especially with a 7 hour lead time post-9/11.
To which he replied:
" Sorry, but you show there a total lack of understanding of the physics involved. According your comment a satellite sensor working in the thermal IR (say around 5 micron wavelength) should be able to detect the heat from a lighted cigarette from orbit. Before one can say anything useful one must understand far more about physics than you do. "
Duncan sounds like a bit of a phony to me since jet exhaust is 1600f degrees. His cigarette answer is silly and makes me think he's a bit of a pompous bluffer. If a weather satellite can put extreme color coding contrast on cloud temperature differences of only a few tens of degrees then heat signature detection satellites should be able to identify the 1600 degree exhaust of a jet engine against a -50 degree backdrop. I think our snobby expert just doesn't want to admit he's clueless.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Flight MH370: insurers make first pay out on missing Malaysia Airlines plane
Families of passengers on the Boeing 777 have received hardship payments and the airline has been paid for the plane
Insurance companies always have access to privileged inside information.
This tells me that they know the plane and passengers are gone and probably also know why.
The rest of the continuing news about the aircraft is deflection. And has been for weeks past imo.
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They are now saying that the signals are at a depth of 15.000 ft - the deepest part of the Indian Ocean - what are the chances of that - as most of the Indian Ocean is less than half that depth. Whatever this is, whatever is finally found and where - this was a professional job, IMHO.
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Within the last hour two reports that seem both 'confident' and 'lacking confidence' - go figure?! ::headbang::
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[TD="class: alt2, bgcolor: #E6E6F0"]The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said an initial assessment of the possible signal detected by a RAAF AP-3C Orion aircraft yesterday afternoon has been determined as not related to an aircraft underwater locator beacon.
"The Australian Joint Acoustic Analysis Centre has analysed the acoustic data and confirmed that the signal reported in the vicinity of the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield is unlikely to be related to the aircraft black boxes," Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said.
"Further analysis continues to be undertaken by Australian Joint Acoustic Analysis Centre.
"Today Ocean Shield is continuing more focussed sweeps with the Towed Pinger Locator to try and locate further signals that may be related to the aircraft's black boxes. It is vital to glean as much information as possible while the batteries on the underwater locator beacons may still be active.
"The AP-3C Orions continue their acoustic search, working in conjunction with Ocean Shield, with three more missions planned for today.
"A decision as to when to deploy the Autonomous Underwater Vehicle will be made on advice from experts on board the Ocean Shield and could be some days away.
"On the information I have available to me, there has been no major breakthrough in the search for MH370. I will provide a further update if, and when, further information becomes available.[/TD]
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[TD="class: alt2, bgcolor: #E6E6F0"]Australian PM 'very confident' signals are from MH370 black box
updated 11:50 PM EDT, Thu April 10, 2014
(CNN) -- Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott told reporters in China on Friday that authorities are "very confident" the signals picked up by acoustic detectors are coming from the black box of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, CNN affiliate Sky News Australia reported.
The remarks came after search officials reported a possible fifth signal detected by a plane on Thursday. But on Friday, the Australian agency coordinating search efforts said that signal "is unlikely to be related to the aircraft black boxes."
"On the information I have available to me, there has been no major breakthrough in the search for MH370," retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said in a statement. "I will provide a further update if, and when, further information becomes available."
It's unclear whether Abbott was referring to four signals detected earlier this week.[/TD]
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