Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

[Peter Lemkin]

James Randii as a reference?! Oh dear, oh dear....He doesn't know does he?

Randii, a very accomplished magician knows all about misdirection of attention - the first and foremost effort of the magic show - I know, my uncle was a professional magician and taught me the basics. A few of these people are just honestly misguided or blinded by the societal patriotic (sic) mythology. I fear all too many are actively involved in keeping the strings hidden of the men behind the curtain from the viewing public.

[Magda Hassan]

Oh, there is a lot more to the magician than magic. It concerns credit cards, unconsenting children, a certain intel organisation and the effort to hide the evidence.

[Jan Klimkowski]

For further laughs look at his an my exchanges - though he is way out of his depths on this one.....way, way, way.......

An chance of a url - cos I'm still in the dark on this one?

Peter P (to distinguish you from Peter L), this is a tricky subject.

There is another site that many of us used to post on, and a few here still do. I have asked for my account and my posts there to be deleted, and this request has eventually been granted.

Whilst I have nothing but contempt for the way that site is moderated, my own personal view is that I do not want DPF sullying with threads moaning about that other site.

However, the issue is complicated by the fact that the straw that broke this camel's back concerned claims by a third website, a "debunking 911 conspiracies" site, that it published peer-reviewed papers when it in fact it posts papers which have not been peer-reviewed and allows authors to use pseudonyms in supposedly "academic" and "peer-reviewed" papers.

[Charles Drago]

Peter,

I too was a regular contributor to that site. And I'm proud to take partial credit for exposing the cover identity of which I've written as just that -- a vessel in which representatives of the national security state travel to debunk and otherwise disrupt legitimate efforts to expose deep political operations to the light of day.

On that forum I demonstrated how the cover identity is used by writers of widely divergent literary and cognitive abilities simply by posting a side-by-side comparison of the identity's then-recent offerings.

The cover identity himself, by the way, is the son of a scientist who aided and abetted Big Tobacco in their conspiracy to poison the world.

Another ham-handed agent provocateur who -- believe it or not -- enjoys moderator status on that forum is a member of the Australian military. He has been known to spend scores of hours per week monitoring the Deep Politics Forum, and I can't believe that he's capable of doing so exclusively on his own time. So he's either commiting actionable offenses against his employer's rules, or he is acting under orders. It's that simple.

Like the son of Big Tobacco, the moderator seems to have instant -- that's the key -- access to a vast database not commonly available to everyman.

The forum is owned by two individuals. One of them, as I posted earlier, is a congenital liar and an intellectual coward. On two occasions he has attempted to engage me in battles of wits and ideas, has been soundly thrashed, and has responded by erasing my posts and/or locking the threads.

His most recent perfidy: He has arranged for my computer to be banned from accessing his forum even as he publicly claims otherwise. On two occasions I posted from a friend's computer; then suddenly it too was banned.

The other owner, I am pained to note, is a man I once thought to be honorable and who, in the spirit of full disclosure, has done important work on behalf of the truth. But his silent acquiescence to his partner's treachery is nothing short of damning.

I stand with Jan in not wanting to distract readers of our forum with a running dialogue against the other Internet venture. But I can assure you that the agents provocateurs who have deeply penetrated that site regularly monitor these pages, so I'll take this opportunity to send a message their way:

We see you ...

[Peter Lemkin]

Sorry gang, if I sullied the Forum by bringing attention to all this/that. I'll not further and return to the original thread. I find some of the posts on the http://www.911blogger.com site interesting. Jones is being active and posting some challenges to his article by other scientists and his responses; requests have come in from other labs for authentic samples of WTC dust to test in their labs, etc. I'll just say one last thing about the other site. The immoderator hasn't a clue as to what is or is not peer-review. I edit peer-review papers weekly and the letters of the reviewers and the responses of the scientist/authors, as well. I know what the process is. I know that some do pay for both my editing and publication. Some publications don't charge and are supported other ways. The immoderator and the boy from Brazil wouldn't know peer-review from pier-rearview, IMO. :bootyshake::bootyshake::captain:

[Jan Klimkowski]

Sorry gang, if I sullied the Forum by bringing attention to all this/that.

Peter L - no need whatsoever for an apology.

However, my own view is that there is much of importance to be discussed, and not enough time to discuss it.

I do not want to be diverted into blind alleys.

I do not want to spend time in an aviary full of mockingbirds.

Perhaps that should be Aviary and Mockingbird. :vollkommenauf:

[Charles Drago]

Perhaps that should be Aviary and Mockingbird.

It should, and it is.

I'm with you. 'Nuff said, Jan.

Although I'd just love to ...

[Peter Lemkin]

The red-herring barrel is very full and stocked with rotting 'ammo' on 'that' thread 'over there'. Just looked and started to reply, then decided not to......if the viewers there can't see what is going on, it not worth my efforts. Like father, like son - blowing smoke to hide the truth with deception from the People, so the rich and powerful can prevail. He's been well trained, however, in the black arts.

[Peter Presland]

Thanks to all for bringing me up to speed.

I agree that there are only so many hours in the day such that, to have any hope of discovering something of the reality behind the facade that is 'the official narrative' of pretty much anything, focus on hidden and obfuscated facts is required. It is too easy to be distracted by 'flame wars' and the personality issues that stoke them up. That said, it is always interesting and very revealing to note the lengths that well-rewarded shills for 'the official narrative' will go to in the perennial quest to maintain the façade. The antics of the 'financial entertainers' of CNBC et al are another case in point - superbly documented by Patrick Byrne at 'Deep Capture' and taken apart by Jon Stewart in that clip I posted a while back. Another superb case study in the syndrome is the behaviour of the IPCC and Met Polce over the death of Ian Tomlinson at the G20 Summit protests in London last week - still developing and probably worthy of a separate thread here too.

I have reached a stage in life where I quite literally do not give a toss who I offend when questioning 'the official narrative' of anything. I certainly do NOT set out to offend but, if anyone IS offended by honest questioning of Power and it's real motives, then they are either:

1. Naive (the vast majority)
2. Feel genuinely threatened by such questioning (ie career, religion, life-time loyalties that define them as individuals etc)
3. Paid - or at least well rewarded shills
4. The uber-ambitious who understand the structures of Power (though birth, elite education etc) and whose single-minded goal is to climb those structures and to hell with any other consideration - the true psychopaths in other words - I count Tony Bliar as a pre-eminent example.

There are clearly a couple of examples of 3 in that other place/thread - but of course they are all over the place because the money/status, whatever is good.

Having lived most of my life in categories 1 and 2, my 'single-minded goal' these days is to try to understand 'the reality behind the facade'. If some people get upset by that then so be it. Life is short and most of mine is vanishing in the rear-view mirror

[Peter Lemkin]

I've been given notice 'over there' - stop MY attacks or be gone. The immoderator has spoken. A guess pitbulls see the other dogs they go for the necks of as the instigator, 'they made me do it...'