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They've made Iraq and Syria the unstable places they wished them to be in order to jusify their Bush era CIA regime-change invasions.
Whether ISIS is CIA created/controlled or not it is now being used as a pretext for the invasion of Syria.
America has also suffered a similar destabilization with its neo-cons running around unchecked in government and domestic.
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Getting rid of Assad is IMO the reason for attacking ISIS in Syria. Control of the worlds natural resources, with as many deaths as possible is the ultimate destination. Does The New World Order want to want to eliminate 75%, or is it 80% of the Earths population ?
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IS - it's all about oil and gas, silly.
I particularly found the section dealing with the IS oil/gas sanction busting - via Turkey to Israel and thence to Europe, who "pretends" it is Israeli in origin - to be of great interest.
From VoltaireNet:
Quote:Behind the anti-terror alibi, the gas war in the Levantby Thierry Meyssan
Though everyone adheres to Washington and its Gulf allies' anti-terrorist discourse, everyone understands that it is only a rhetorical justification for a war that has other purposes. The United States say they want to destroy the Islamic Emirate which they created and which performs for them the ethnic cleansing necessary to its plan for the remodeling of the "Broader Middle East". Stranger still, they say they want to fight in Syria alongside the moderate opposition which is composed of the same jihadists. Finally, they destroyed Rakka buildings that had been evacuated two days earlier by the Islamic Emirate. For Thierry Meyssan, behind these apparent contradictions the gas war continues.
Ignoring international law, the American president, Barack Obama, fine tunes his aerial bombing campaign in Syria with his allies in the Gulf (New York, September 23, 2014).The US air campaign in Iraq and Syria is puzzling: it is impossible to destroy a terrorist group exclusively by air strikes. In Iraq, the United States and the GCC coupled their actions with those of Iraqi troops and Kurdish ground forces. In Syria, they have no serious force to fight against the Islamic Emirate. And even in this case, "the bombings are not able to affect the capacity of the Islamic Emirate or its operations in other parts of Iraq or Syria," according to General William Mayville, chief of operations at the US Chiefs of Staff. [1]Moreover, and despite official declarations, the Islamic Emirate is a creation of the United States and the GCC, and it unflaggingly serves their interests: In May 2013, Senator John McCain came to Syria illegally to meet the staff of the Free Syrian Army (moderate), including Abu Youssef, also known as Abu Du'a, alias Ibrahim al-Baghdadi, the current caliph Ibrahim (Head of the extremists) [2]. In January 2014, Reuters revealed that President Obama had called a secret session of Congress during which it voted to fund and arm the "rebels" in Syria, including those of the Islamic Emirate until September 2014 [3]. It was indeed a secret session and not just behind closed doors. The entire American press complied with the censorship of this information. Proud of this acknowledgement, Saudi state television clamored the fact that the Islamic Emirate was headed by Prince Abdul Rahman al-Faisal. [4] Meanwhile the head of Israeli military intelligence, General Aviv Kochavi, warned against a proliferation of anti-Syrian fighters and found that members of al-Qaida, including those of the Islamic Emirate (which it had not yet divorced) were trained in three camps in Turkey [under NATO control] located in Şanlıurfa, Osmaniye and Karaman. [5] In May 2014, Saudi Arabia handed over new heavy weapons and quantities of new Toyotas (purchased in Ukraine) to the Islamic Emirate to invade Iraq. The transfer was carried out by a special train chartered by the Turkish secret services. On May 27, Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish regional government in Iraq, went to Amman to coordinate the invasion of Iraq between Iraqi Kurds and the Islamic Emirate. An additional meeting was held, also in Amman, with numerous Sunni partners on June 1. ["PKK revelations on ISIL attack and creation of "Kurdistan"", Voltaire Network, 8 July 2014.]] In early June, the Islamic Emirate and the Local Government of Kurdistan went on the attack. The Islamic Emirate, in accordance with its mission, spread terror in order to accomplish the ethnic cleansing that the US army had been unable to achieve in 2003. Thus is realized, to use the expression of the US Chiefs of Staff adopted in 2001, the remodeling the "Greater Middle East".So there is no reason for the United States to destroy the Islamic Emirate, if not the publicized - and suspect - death of three of their nationals, which cannot justify the deluge of fire.While it is clear that the main target of the air campaign is not the one that is announced, no one is able to say precisely what it seeks to destroy. The most that can be said is that the United States and its GCC allies bombed empty buildings in Rakka - which had been evacuated two days earlier by the Islamic Emirate, and a dozen refineries in eastern Syria.
Bombing of a Syrian refinery by the US Air Force, September 24, 2014. Refineries are among the most expensive industrial investments.So what do these refineries signify in a war allegedly waged against terrorism? According to the Pentagon, they were controlled by the Islamic Emirate and brought it much income.The answer is obviously false. When states under embargo try to sell gas or oil on the international market, they do not succeed. But the Islamic Emirate does, despite resolutions 1373 (2001) and 2170 (2014) of the Security Council. Publicly notorious, it steals oil in Iraq and Syria, routing it by pipeline to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, from where it is transported to Israel by tankers of the Palmali Shipping & Agency JSC, the Turkish-Azeri company of billionaire Mubariz GurbanoÄŸlu. At the port of Ashkelon, Israeli authorities provide false certificates of origin from Eilat, then they are exported to the European Union, which pretends to believe they're Israeli.Above all, the same firm serving also to export gas and oil stolen by the local government of Iraqi Kurdistan, the United States and the GCC, if they acted pursuant to resolutions 1373 (2001) and 2170 (2014) should also attack Iraqi Kurdistan. Instead, they support it (not against the Islamic Emirate, but against the central government in Baghdad). [6]The bombing of these facilities cannot be understood as other than a desire to deprive Syria of its refining capacity when peace returns.Prince Khaled, son of the heir to the throne of Saud, Prince Salman, participates in the bombing of Syria at the controls of an F-15.It is common knowledge that in this case, the United States relies on members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, and particularly Saudi Arabia. In this regard, if it is clear that Saudi planes are not taking off from their country, information published by Iranian media according to which they are based in Israel, is still not ruled out, but probable.We have often noted that one of the main aims of the war against Syria is the control of its gigantic reserves of natural gas and that of its territory by which could either pass a pipeline from Iran or its rival, Saudi Arabia from Qatar.However, since the resistance of Novorussia and support provided by the Russian Federation, the European Union is trying to overcome its dependence on Russian gas. Hence the Iranian government's idea to offer its gas on this market, as announced by Deputy Oil Minister Ali Majedi, August 9. [7] For Iran it would be an alternative to the blocking by the Islamic Emirate of Iraq's road to Syria.This option, which defends Iran state interests, but abandons the anti-imperialist struggle of President Ahmadinejad, could be approved by Washington as part of a broader agreement during the 5 + 1 negociations. Iran would be willing to abandon its groundbreaking research on a method for producing nuclear energy able to free the third world from its dependence on oil energy, while "Westerners" would lift their sanctions.However, this changeover, if it is to occur, would significantly alter regional equilibrium. It would be hard to sell to Russia, which has just welcomed Iran into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. In addition, it would involve an investment of $ 8.5 billion to build 1,800 miles of pipeline and connect production fields to the Nabucco system. Iranian gas would transit through Azerbaijan and Turkey and Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, to be distributed in the European Union from Austria. This was confirmed by Sheikh Hassan Rohani to President Hans Fischer, on the sidelines of the General Assembly of the United Nations. [8]Iranian President Sheikh Hassan Rohani came to explain to his Austrian counterpart, Hans Fisher, his proposal to deliver gas to the European Union (New York, September 24, 2014).The revival of the Nabucco system would be a boon to Azerbaijan which could more easily export production from its Shah Deniz gas field. Thus, Baku would also move away from Moscow to be closer to Washington, which would explain the sudden purchase of arms from Israel.From the Syrian perspective, a shift in Iranian energy policy is not necessarily a bad thing: most of the enemies of Syria - except Israel - would have no reason to continue the war. In addition, the removal of Iran would strengthen the usefulness of Syria to Russia. If the agreement were signed, Washington would further pursue instability in the Sunni areas of Iraq, to maintain a physical separation between Tehran and Damascus, and certainly would support Daesh in Deir ez-Zor, but leave the rest of the Syria in peace.
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Roger Lagassé
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[1] "U.S. Air Strikes Are Having a Limited Effect on ISIL", Ben Watson, Defense One, 11 August 2014.[2] "John McCain, Conductor of the "Arab Spring" and the Caliph ", by Thierry Meyssan, Voltaire Network, 18 August 2014.[3] "Congress secretly approves U.S. weapons flow to 'moderate' Syrian rebels", par Mark Hosenball, Reuters, 27 January 2014.[4] "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant led by Prince Abdul Rahman", Translation Alizée Ville, Voltaire Network, 4 February 2014.[5] "Israeli general says al Qaeda's Syria fighters set up in Turkey", par Dan Williams, Reuters, 29 January 2014.[6] "Jihadism and the Petroleum Industry", by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Roger Lagassé, Al-Watan (Syria), Voltaire Network, 23 June 2014.[7] « Iran ready to supply energy to Europe via Nabucco », Irna, 9 August 2014.[8] « Iran Ready to Supply Energy to Europe », Shana, 24 September 2014.
McCain:
Quote:The Illegal Trip to Syria, April 2013In May 2013, Senator John McCain made his way illegally to near Idleb in Syria via Turkey to meet with leaders of the "armed opposition". His trip was not made public until his return to Washington. [6]This movement was organized by the Syrian Emergency Task Force, which, contrary to its title, is a Zionist Organization led by a Palestinian employee of AIPAC [7]John McCain in Syria. In the foreground at right is the director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force. In the doorway, center, Mohammad Nour. In photographs released at that time, one noticed the presence of Mohammad Nour, a spokesman for the Northern Storm Brigade (of the Al-Nosra Front, that is to say, al-Qaeda in Syria), who kidnapped and held 11 Lebanese Shiite pilgrims in Azaz. [8] Asked about his proximity to al-Qaeda kidnappers, the Senator claimed not to know Mohammad Nour who would have invited himself into this photo.The affair made a great noise and the families of the abducted pilgrims lodged a complaint before the Lebanese judiciary against Senator McCain for complicity in kidnapping. Ultimately, an agreement was reached and the pilgrims were released.Let's suppose that Senator McCain had told the truth and that he was abused by Mohammad Nour. The object of his illegal trip to Syria was to meet the chiefs of staff of the Free Syrian Army. According to him, the organization was composed "exclusively of Syrians" fighting for "their freedom" against the "Alouite dictatorship" (sic). The tour organizers published this photograph to attest to the meeting.John McCain and the heads of the Free Syrian Army. In the left foreground, Ibrahim al-Badri, with which the Senator is talking. Next, Brigadier General Salim Idris (with glasses). If we can see Brigadier General Idriss Salem, head of the Free Syrian Army, one can also see Ibrahim al-Badri (foreground on the left) with whom the senator is talking. Back from the surprise trip, John McCain claimed that all those responsible for the Free Syrian Army were "moderates who can be trusted" (sic).However, since October 4, 2011, Ibrahim al-Badri (also known as Abu Du'a) was on the list of the five terrorists most wanted by the United States (Rewards for Justice). A premium of up to $ 10 million was offered to anyone who would assist in his capture. [9] The next day, October 5, 2011, Ibrahim al-Badri was included in the list of the Sanctions Committee of the UN as a member of Al Qaeda. [10]In addition, a month before receiving Senator McCain, Ibrahim al-Badri, known under his nom de guerre as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, created the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ÉIIL) all the while still belonging to the staff of the very "moderate" Free Syrian Army. He claimed as his own the attack on the Taj and Abu Ghraib prisons in Iraq, from which he helped between 500 and 1,000 jihadists escape who then joined his organization. This attack was coordinated with other almost simultaneous operations in eight other countries. Each time, the escapees joined the jihadist organizations fighting in Syria. This case is so strange that Interpol issued a note and requested the assistance of the 190 member countries. [11]
The foregoing article on McCain is extracted from a longer piece HERE.
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The Hague (AFP) - The Dutch public prosecutor said on Tuesday that motorbike gang members who have reportedly joined Kurds battling the Islamic State group in Iraq are not necessarily committing any crime.
"Joining a foreign armed force was previously punishable, now it's no longer forbidden," public prosecutor spokesman Wim de Bruin told AFP.
"You just can't join a fight against the Netherlands," he told AFP after reports emerged that Dutch bikers from the No Surrender gang were fighting IS insurgents alongside Kurds in northern Iraq.
The head of No Surrender, Klaas Otto, told state broadcaster NOS that three members who travelled to near Mosul in northern Iraq were from Dutch cities Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Breda.
A photograph on a Dutch-Kurdish Twitter account shows a tattooed Dutchman called Ron in military garb, holding a Kalashnikov assault rifle while sat with a Kurdish comrade.
Video footage apparently from a Kurdish broadcaster shows an armed European man with Kurdish fighters saying in Dutch: "The Kurds have been under pressure for a long time."
Many countries including the Netherlands have been clamping down on their nationals trying to join IS jihadists who have taken over swathes of Iraq and Syria.
Measures include confiscating would-be jihadists' passports before travelling and threatening prosecution should they return.
"The big difference with IS is that it's listed as a terrorist group," said De Bruin.
"That means that even preparing to join IS is punishable."
Dutch citizens could not however join the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), as it is blacklisted as a terrorist organisation by Ankara and much of the international community, De Bruin said.
Dutch citizens fighting on the Kurdish side would of course be liable to prosecution if they committed crimes such as torture or rape, De Bruin said.
"But this is also happening a long way away and so it'll be very difficult to prove," said De Bruin.
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The Anti-Empire Report #133 By William Blum Published October 16th, 2014
The Islamist StateYou can't believe a word the United States or its mainstream media say about the current conflict involving The Islamic State (ISIS).
You can't believe a word France or the United Kingdom say about ISIS.
You can't believe a word Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Jordan, or the United Arab Emirates say about ISIS. Can you say for sure which side of the conflict any of these mideast countries actually finances, arms, or trains, if in fact it's only one side? Why do they allow their angry young men to join Islamic extremists? Why has NATO-member Turkey allowed so many Islamic extremists to cross into Syria? Is Turkey more concerned with wiping out the Islamic State or the Kurds under siege by ISIS? Are these countries, or the Western powers, more concerned with overthrowing ISIS or overthrowing the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad?
You can't believe the so-called "moderate" Syrian rebels. You can't even believe that they are moderate. They have their hands in everything, and everyone has their hands in them.
Iran, Hezbollah and Syria have been fighting ISIS or its precursors for years, but the United States refuses to join forces with any of these entities in the struggle. Nor does Washington impose sanctions on any country for supporting ISIS as it quickly did against Russia for its alleged role in Ukraine.
The groundwork for this awful mess of political and religious horrors sweeping through the Middle East was laid laid deeply by the United States during 35 years (1979-2014) of overthrowing the secular governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. (Adding to the mess in the same period we should not forget the US endlessly bombing Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen.) You cannot destroy modern, relatively developed and educated societies, ripping apart the social, political, economic and legal fabric, torturing thousands, killing millions, and expect civilization and human decency to survive.
Particularly crucial in this groundwork was the US decision to essentially throw 400,000 Iraqis with military training, including a full officer corps, out onto the streets of its cities, jobless. It was a formula for creating an insurgency. Humiliated and embittered, some of those men would later join various resistance groups operating against the American military occupation. It's safe to say that the majority of armored vehicles, weapons, ammunition, and explosives taking lives every minute in the Middle East are stamped "Made in USA".
And all of Washington's horses, all of Washington's men, cannot put this world back together again. The world now knows these places as "failed states".
Meanwhile, the United States bombs Syria daily, ostensibly because the US is at war with ISIS, but at the same time seriously damaging the oil capacity of the country (a third of the Syrian government's budget), the government's military capabilities, its infrastructure, even its granaries, taking countless innocent lives, destroying ancient sites; all making the recovery of an Assad-led Syria, or any Syria, highly unlikely. Washington is undoubtedly looking for ways to devastate Iran as well under the cover of fighting ISIS.
Nothing good can be said about this whole beastly situation. All the options are awful. All the participants, on all sides, are very suspect, if not criminally insane. It may be the end of the world. To which I say … Good riddance. Nice try, humans; in fact, GREAT TRY … but good riddance. ISIS … Ebola … Climate Change … nuclear radiation … The Empire … Which one will do us in first? … Have a nice day.
Is the world actually so much more evil and scary today than it was in the 1950s of my upbringing, for which I grow more nostalgic with each new horror? Or is it that the horrors of today are so much better reported, as we swim in a sea of news and videos?
After seeing several ISIS videos on the Internet, filled with the most disgusting scenes, particularly against women, my thought is this: Give them their own country; everyone who's in that place now who wants to leave, will be helped to do so; everyone from all over the world who wants to go there will be helped to get there. Once they're there, they can all do whatever they want, but they can't leave without going through a rigorous interview at a neighboring border to ascertain whether they've recovered their attachment to humanity. However, since very few women, presumably, would go there, the country would not last very long.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:The groundwork for this awful mess of political and religious horrors sweeping through the Middle East was laid laid deeply by the United States during 35 years (1979-2014) of overthrowing the secular governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
This. Definitely this. I trace it back to Afghanistan when the US began setting up the Madrasses in Pakistan and writing the religious wing nut version of Islam text books to counter secular education in Afghanistan (also secular USSR education). It was also the same time the lunatic fundamental version of some Christian brand was being created in the US.
Peter Lemkin Wrote:After seeing several ISIS videos on the Internet, filled with the most disgusting scenes, particularly against women, my thought is this: Give them their own country; everyone who's in that place now who wants to leave, will be helped to do so; everyone from all over the world who wants to go there will be helped to get there. Once they're there they can all do whatever they want, but they can't leave without going through a rigorous interview at a neighboring border to ascertain whether they've recovered their attachment to humanity. However, since very few women, presumably, would go there, the country would not last very long.
Agreed. Some thing worth supporting. Will have to be an island though. Or the moon. If they can send one man to the moon why not these men? Only trouble is like Christianity Islam is a colonialist religion. It is not content to practice within its own community but seeks to interfere with others to convert them and make them speak their so called god approved language and cultural rituals of dress and food and social relations etc. destroying local languages and customs and mores. Like all colonialists they will just conquer and take the women regardless.
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Quote:Agreed. Some thing worth supporting. Will have to be an island though. Or the moon. If they can send one man to the moon why not these men? Only trouble is like Christianity Islam is a colonialist religion. It is not content to practice within its own community but seeks to interfere with others to convert them and make them speak their so called god approved language and cultural rituals of dress and food and social relations etc. destroying local languages and customs and mores. Like all colonialists they will just conquer and take the women regardless.
As much as this is true, try not to forget the many Christians who were and are seen as enemies of all that you write. Many were tortured and murdered in
Central and South America specifically for their faith. Liberation theology was and still is targeted The Empire.
Now of course you may say that it is still all bullshit. But at least honor those who have suffered greatly. For example, The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey From Torture to Truth, Dianna Ortiz.
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:As much as this is true, try not to forget the many Christians who were and are seen as enemies of all that you write. Many were tortured and murdered in
Central and South America specifically for their faith. Liberation theology was and still is targeted The Empire.
Now of course you may say that it is still all bullshit. But at least honor those who have suffered greatly. For example, The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey From Torture to Truth, Dianna Ortiz.
Oh, I agree Lauren. I was using it less in the personal experience than the use the State has for it in both cases, Christianity and Islam. But ISIS has pretensions to be a State and its use of Islam is therefore imperial and colonial in intent and practice. As it is in the hands of the House of Saud and Indonesia and Malaysia etc. All of whom have indigenous cultures preceding Islam and all resisting to varying degrees. Many of my personal heroes and heroines, including sister Dianna and Oscar Romero, have been practising Christians and so Christ like that they pose a threat to both the official church and the State. And they have suffered greatly and for them I do honour their lives and example. How could one not be moved by their sacrifice? If only I could be 1% as dedicated to the cause as they are. But it also seems clear that secularism is also a target by The Empire(s) and millions of nameless individuals who have led quiet lives of no great or particular significance other than not wanting to be subjected to someone's superstitious mental straightjacket are also being murdered. They too deserve honour though we will never know them.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:As much as this is true, try not to forget the many Christians who were and are seen as enemies of all that you write. Many were tortured and murdered in
Central and South America specifically for their faith. Liberation theology was and still is targeted The Empire.
Now of course you may say that it is still all bullshit. But at least honor those who have suffered greatly. For example, The Blindfold's Eyes: My Journey From Torture to Truth, Dianna Ortiz.
Oh, I agree Lauren. I was using it less in the personal experience than the use the State has for it in both cases, Christianity and Islam. But ISIS has pretensions to be a State and its use of Islam is therefore imperial and colonial in intent and practice. As it is in the hands of the House of Saud and Indonesia and Malaysia etc. All of whom have indigenous cultures preceding Islam and all resisting to varying degrees. Many of my personal heroes and heroines, including sister Dianna and Oscar Romero, have been practising Christians and so Christ like that they pose a threat to both the official church and the State. And they have suffered greatly and for them I do honour their lives and example. How could one not be moved by their sacrifice? If only I could be 1% as dedicated to the cause as they are. But it also seems clear that secularism is also a target by The Empire(s) and millions of nameless individuals who have led quiet lives of no great or particular significance other than not wanting to be subjected to someone's superstitious mental straightjacket are also being murdered. They too deserve honour though we will never know them.
Thanks for clearing things up. I was hoping this would be your answer. ::rockon::
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The USA has admitted that one of many parachute-drops of weapons, supposedly to the Kurdish fighters in Kobane, Syria fell into the hands of ISIL - who made a nice video celebrating the event.
Own goal?
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