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30-06-2014, 05:45 AM
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Interesting summary of contentious parts of the case by the National Committee to Reopen the Rosenberg Case
HERE!
[Will download a pdf of 11 pages]
Their website is at
www.ncrrc.com
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I agree that it is a stretch to say the "Lee" in the Chicago case is Oswald.
It may be or it may not be. It sure as heck is interesting.
BTW, over at Morley's site, JFK Facts, the lone nutters go apoplectic with the Edwin Black article. Its like vampires being exposed to sunlight: McAdams, Von Pein, Jean Davison.
Its a great article. And Black is such a superb researcher/writer.
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Drew Phipps Wrote:Remember, too, the "confidential informant" named "Lee" whose tip to the FBI caused the detention of 2 of 4 suspicious individuals (and also one lone nut) in Chicago, and led to JFK cancelling his trip there at the last minute. There is more than one way for Oswald to be "in on" a plot (i.e. have some foreknowledge). Whether or not he was (the/a) shooter, you do have to find a plausible explanation for his anomalous behaviors, both prior to, and after, the assassination.
"Lee" was involved. "Harvey" was not. He was the fall guy. Who did what his alphabet agency handlers told him.
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Right. Whoever that was in the lunchroom obviously wasn't involved. He was probably ordered to the lunchroom to keep him from interfering with the men Richard Carr and Arnold Rowland saw.
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I think Sean Murphy has a tiger by the tail.
He makes a good case that Prayer Man is Oswald.
ANd the alleged lunchroom incident is very dubious. If you look at Baker's first day affidavit, he was never there.
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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I think Sean Murphy has a tiger by the tail.
He makes a good case that Prayer Man is Oswald.
ANd the alleged lunchroom incident is very dubious. If you look at Baker's first day affidavit, he was never there.
Got to disagree with that. It defies common sense that of all the dozens of people who would have seen Oswald there on the front steps that none of them would have mentioned it.
Didn't other Depository employees see Oswald asking for change etc? And isn't Oswald being in the lunchroom corroborated by your own work on Carolyn Arnold?
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Albert Doyle Wrote:Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I think Sean Murphy has a tiger by the tail.
He makes a good case that Prayer Man is Oswald.
ANd the alleged lunchroom incident is very dubious. If you look at Baker's first day affidavit, he was never there.
Got to disagree with that. It defies common sense that of all the dozens of people who would have seen Oswald there on the front steps that none of them would have mentioned it.
Didn't other Depository employees see Oswald asking for change etc? And isn't Oswald being in the lunchroom corroborated by your own work on Carolyn Arnold?
My read is that Prayer Man was standing way back in the corner of the entry way and might well have arrived just shortly before the assassination. He might well have not been noticed as all eyes were straining out away from the TSBD. He doesn't appear to be too interested in what is going on out front, either.
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That is my take also.
I have been trying to get Sean to go ahead and do a long article on this with photos and a timeline for CTKA.
He really does have a lot of the details worked out to a fine degree.
The amount of deception by the Warren Commission and the FBI is staggering, even for someone as jaded as me.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I think Sean Murphy has a tiger by the tail.
He makes a good case that Prayer Man is Oswald.
ANd the alleged lunchroom incident is very dubious. If you look at Baker's first day affidavit, he was never there.
Got to disagree with that. It defies common sense that of all the dozens of people who would have seen Oswald there on the front steps that none of them would have mentioned it.
Didn't other Depository employees see Oswald asking for change etc? And isn't Oswald being in the lunchroom corroborated by your own work on Carolyn Arnold?
Albert, that is not the problem with the people on the front steps. The main problem lies with Buell Wesley Frazier. He is looking directly at "Prayer Man" in one of the captures from the film, yet does not identify anyone in this position, let alone identify this person as Oswald.
Do you find it strange that Frazier fails to mention the existence of a person he is looking directly at, immediately following the assassination? Do you also find it odd that Frazier had no recollection of a motorcycle cop running up the stairs and past him, immediately following the assassination?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
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The main problem with Oswald being in the Altgens photo is that he denies it himself, and tells Fritz and the boys he was in the lunchroom. Why would Oswald give up a verifiable alibi for a less verifiable one?
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