Scott Kaiser Wrote:First off, I'd like to say, this is NOT an "operation 40" pic. There are however, a few operation 40 members in this pic, and if this is Tosh, was Tosh also apart of Op40? Secondly, has Tosh ever mentioned who he had his arm around in the pic? And lastly, could he name all the guy's in the photo? I know every single one of them and who they are, and in-fact met a few. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
P.S. Can you provide the FBI documents that says it's Tosh Plumlee? Thank you Dawn.
To my knowledge, there are NO publicly available documents about who is in the photo - but surely the CIA and FBI [possibly others] have detailed analysis/documents of the photo and the meeting it represents. At one time, after it emerged, when I was sure it was Tosh [hiding his face], he was denying it. More recently, he has admitted it to Dawn, myself, and others in emails and elsewhere. I said elsewhere that he certainly could tell you everyone in the photo [and the reason for the celebration/meeting], but he has refused to tell me anything more than where and when - but that is buried somewhere in many emails and I'm not in the mood to try to locate it just now. I'd suggest you, Scott, ask Tosh to name the persons. Some are obvious and there is no doubt. A few are. To my memory, Tosh never said he was 'part' of Op-40, but he often said he was associated with/supporting it [or persons/ops within it]. You'd have to ask him the subtle difference[s].
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Scott Kaiser Wrote:First off, I'd like to say, this is NOT an "operation 40" pic. There are however, a few operation 40 members in this pic, and if this is Tosh, was Tosh also apart of Op40? Secondly, has Tosh ever mentioned who he had his arm around in the pic? And lastly, could he name all the guy's in the photo? I know every single one of them and who they are, and in-fact met a few. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
P.S. Can you provide the FBI documents that says it's Tosh Plumlee? Thank you Dawn.
To my knowledge, there are NO publicly available documents about who is in the photo - but surely the CIA and FBI [possibly others] have detailed analysis/documents of the photo and the meeting it represents. At one time, after it emerged, when I was sure it was Tosh [hiding his face], he was denying it. More recently, he has admitted it to Dawn, myself, and others in emails and elsewhere. I said elsewhere that he certainly could tell you everyone in the photo [and the reason for the celebration/meeting], but he has refused to tell me anything more than where and when - but that is buried somewhere in many emails and I'm not in the mood to try to locate it just now. I'd suggest you, Scott, ask Tosh to name the persons. Some are obvious and there is no doubt. A few are. To my memory, Tosh never said he was 'part' of Op-40, but he often said he was associated with/supporting it [or persons/ops within it]. You'd have to ask him the subtle difference[s].
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As I said in a previous post on a thread we all had the very same discussion about not long ago, this is not something I'm willing to discuss as I have much respect for him, and a conversation I'm not willing to get into [with him] knowing, I'm not going to win.
Scott Kaiser Wrote:First off, I'd like to say, this is NOT an "operation 40" pic. There are however, a few operation 40 members in this pic, and if this is Tosh, was Tosh also apart of Op40? Secondly, has Tosh ever mentioned who he had his arm around in the pic? And lastly, could he name all the guy's in the photo? I know every single one of them and who they are, and in-fact met a few. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
P.S. Can you provide the FBI documents that says it's Tosh Plumlee? Thank you Dawn.
To my knowledge, there are NO publicly available documents about who is in the photo - but surely the CIA and FBI [possibly others] have detailed analysis/documents of the photo and the meeting it represents. At one time, after it emerged, when I was sure it was Tosh [hiding his face], he was denying it. More recently, he has admitted it to Dawn, myself, and others in emails and elsewhere. I said elsewhere that he certainly could tell you everyone in the photo [and the reason for the celebration/meeting], but he has refused to tell me anything more than where and when - but that is buried somewhere in many emails and I'm not in the mood to try to locate it just now. I'd suggest you, Scott, ask Tosh to name the persons. Some are obvious and there is no doubt. A few are. To my memory, Tosh never said he was 'part' of Op-40, but he often said he was associated with/supporting it [or persons/ops within it]. You'd have to ask him the subtle difference[s].
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As I said in a previous post on a thread we all had the very same discussion about not long ago, this is not something I'm willing to discuss as I have much respect for him, and a conversation I'm not willing to get into [with him] knowing, I'm not going to win.
I rest my case.
Tosh is likely not going to tell any researchers I know answers to these kinds of questions, at this time....there was a time he would - but that is not the situation now. I worked with him for years and had I the photo then, he would have. Not now. I'm sure the same will likely hold for Dawn and anyone else I know. Perhaps there is someone I don't know who still can get him to answer such things.......
....however, given the conversation I heard you and he had, I don't understand your reluctance to ask him in an email or as part of another phone conversation. It couldn't hurt.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Peter Lemkin Wrote:....however, given the conversation I heard you and he had, I don't understand your reluctance to ask him in an email or as part of another phone conversation. It couldn't hurt.
Yeah, I agree that it is worth giving Tosh a try since he knew your dad and you two have already spoken. Worth a shot.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Scott Kaiser Wrote:First off, I'd like to say, this is NOT an "operation 40" pic. There are however, a few operation 40 members in this pic, and if this is Tosh, was Tosh also apart of Op40? Secondly, has Tosh ever mentioned who he had his arm around in the pic? And lastly, could he name all the guy's in the photo? I know every single one of them and who they are, and in-fact met a few. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
P.S. Can you provide the FBI documents that says it's Tosh Plumlee? Thank you Dawn.
Why would I have FBI documents? Tosh is an old friend of mine and if he says this is him in the pic then it's him.
As I stated on another thread and above, Tosh has told me [as well as Dawn] that it is he hiding behind his suit in the photo.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Scott Kaiser Wrote:First off, I'd like to say, this is NOT an "operation 40" pic. There are however, a few operation 40 members in this pic, and if this is Tosh, was Tosh also apart of Op40? Secondly, has Tosh ever mentioned who he had his arm around in the pic? And lastly, could he name all the guy's in the photo? I know every single one of them and who they are, and in-fact met a few. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
P.S. Can you provide the FBI documents that says it's Tosh Plumlee? Thank you Dawn.
Why would I have FBI documents? Tosh is an old friend of mine and if he says this is him in the pic then it's him.
Dawn
Why would I have FBI documents? Well, lets see! Is it because you said, "Says the FBI files say it's him too." Dawn. That is your name isn't it or did someone else hack into Dawns account?
"Tosh is an old friend of mine" Can't be any older than Tosh's and my father's now can it?
"and if he says this is him in the pic then it's him." I see! Than, gee whiz, golly gee! It's him. All that matter's is who I know it is, do you really want to be in on a little secret? The truth is on my side.
I wonder could it be that Tosh and my father knew the same "Sergio"? After all, that was Sergio's old telephone number, check it out yourself, research it! these are the things that make you go Hmmmm? And, yes! It's a 305 area code...
06-07-2014, 05:13 PM (This post was last modified: 06-07-2014, 05:32 PM by Scott Kaiser.)
If you can truly convince me that it is Tosh covering his face please ask him to identify the man sitting next to Felix Rodriguez with the glasses on, I'll give you the time needed to reply, if I don't hear back from you or get any response in the next few days, than I will post his name, I have NOT given out this mans name regarding this photo at anytime, so, I'll know, if what you say is the truth about the man covering his face and who he really is.
I'll give you till Tuesday to respond with Tosh's answer, fair enough? I'll even provide you the photo to show him again. Just so we are absolutely clear on who I'm speaking of so there will be no miss confusion or sob story as to identifying the wrong person I'm speaking about the second man on the left hand side of the take with his arm touching Felix, the very same man with the glasses on his face, ask Tosh who that man is. Shouldn't be all that hard, after all, that man is sitting "directly" in front of Tosh, so there should be no reason for Tosh to not be able to identify him right?
