JVB vs Scott Kaiser

[Albert Doyle]

If JVB is lying then so is Anna.

You think? Nah, there couldn't possibly be two liars?

But good deep political analysis would then ask why is Anna lying? What does she get out of it? Don't forget Anna has bona fides in her husband David Lewis. Plus Judyth names other witnesses.

If they're both lying then that creates the possibility of a live op. That then also creates the possibility that Baker was spooking Oswald from the start. That she had some kind of assignment that is now playing out in the form of disinformation ops.

[Scott Kaiser]

I have to really sit down and think this one out, I mean, back in the 60's including the 70's it wasn't normal for a woman to know what was going on, my father shared more with me then his own wife. I spent time with my father, went to Homestead AFB where there they made me the mascot of that base, I remember that everyone there knew my father as Lt. Kaiser, (Keiser) or (Keyser) here's the thing my father wasn't in the army.

One day while my father was showing me around the base I climbed up this wooden platform about seventy five feet in the air or so, stood on the base of that platform while some man hooked me up in a harness and hooked my harness to a wire line, I jumped off that tower sliding down this cable, when I reached the end another man gave me a card that said Honorary Paratrooper Scott Keiser, they spelled my name wrong.

I was only seven years old, didn't know better, didn't care, I was just happy to be apart of the army.

Now, my point is, if I really didn't know what my father was doing all these years as his son, and my mother surly didn't know, and I believe my father kept it that way to keep us safe, how is it these two woman JVB and Ana Lewis from the 60's knew what Oswald, Ferrie, Shaw and Banister were doing? That is what I cannot wrap my head around.

[Scott Kaiser]

I thought I was wrong, I mean, I went through over 4,000 files at the MFF very thoroughly on her last name Baker. I thought, what if I missed something, because after all she keeps saying that her book is well documented. So, I started to scratch my head and thought, well, perhaps, the reason I couldn't find anything, is because I needed to check her first name Judyth and not her last, and low and behold, I did find something at MFF. And, here it is.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...&docId=447


http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/judyth.htm

[Peter Lemkin]

Citing McAdams as the judge on anything related to JFK or covert operatives is a BIG mistake. The man is a known LN and disinformation agent who has been known to use false names and play other tricks.

As to your 'charge' that she seems to have been in the 'know' too much for a woman of those times is a bit sexist, IMO. At the same time, the slightly older Adele Edisen, to cite an example, was also informed about certain other limited things that are somewhat interrelated. In Adele's case, the picture didn't become clear on the meaning and importance of the information fed to her until after the assassination.

I'd say that it would not be unreasonable for her to be aware of what people close to her were doing if she was working with them, or involved with people who were working with them. I don't think she claims that the awareness then was as total as it is now. The veracity of her story will have to be judged on its merits - and her own, but not because she was a woman of those times....and, please, McAdams is no valid judge of anything - he is simply trying to bolster up, by hook or crook, the official version - and cut anyone down who does not.

On another note, interesting that your father was given an honorary military rank. So was Johnny Rosselli [already not his birth name], who was known at the gate of JM/WAVE as Col. Rosselli and elsewhere as Col. Ralston - when he was not a Col. at all. False names, false ranks, false titles and job descriptions, false IDs/documents and false 'legends' were all part of the tradecraft. When working with Tosh Plumlee long ago on his life I came across different military records that had him with different heights, DOB, and tatoos that were not possible. He also had many nom de guerre he used at various times.

[Magda Hassan]

Yeah, McAdams is not credible. I would not trust him if he told me the sun was yellow. Judyth's story will have to stand on its own merits or lack there of. But I agree with Peter that it is entirely credible that a woman could be involved in such events in those days. Adele is the perfect example. Guy Bannister's secretary and mistress another.

[Scott Kaiser]

Citing McAdams as the judge on anything related to JFK or covert operatives is a BIG mistake.

I don't know anything about the man, and I had really no idea he was also an advocate pushing Oswald acted alone. This is all new to me. All I was doing was posting what I found about JVB.


You see, while I was in the shower this morning I was thinking about all this with JVB, don't ask me why I'm going to turn 51, may be it has something to do with my age. Anyways, I was thinking, if she says her book is well documented, and she's having lunch or dinner with Oswald and sleeping with him at some hotel and you have all theses CIA and FBI agents running all over N.O. wouldn't you think that someone who saw them together and would have made note of that somewhere?

I mean, wouldn't you think that someone would have wanted to infiltrate the two to find out who Oswald was having this affair with? IDK... I could be wrong, but I'll tell you one thing, whenever my father was with someone, someone else always knew, documented it, and made a report out of it.

Sorry about McAdams, don't really know much about him. Like I said, I only wanted to show what I found at MFFF site, and it wasn't much, in this case citing McAdams, I found nothing at all..

[Jim DiEugenio]

McAdams has about s much credibility as Baker.

You can flip a coin between the two.

The idea that if you get one person to vouch for you, then somehow that gives you ballast, that simply does not wash. Because Slatzer did this with his phony Marilyn MOnroe story and Summers fell for it. Turned out that he gave someone three hundred bucks to back up his fairy tale.

Carol Hewett did a ton of work on Baker way back when CBS was going to do a 60 Minutes segment about her. After spending months trying to verify her story, she decided there was no use in doing so. The other night I asked her what was the turning point and she said there were three things.

1. She kept changing and augmenting her story.

2. She told Carol that one night she had dinner with Oswald, Ruby, Ferrie and Clay Shaw. (She apparently said this with a straight face.)

3. She said that her and Lee used to go horseback riding on the beach in New Orleans. (If you have ever been to New Orleans, you will know how far out that sounds.)

She also said that there was a big part of her life that she felt Judyth was trying to hide from her. This was when she graduated from high school and then went to UF for college. Carol said that there were so many gaps from there forward and that Baker was so mysterious about that, that she just lost any faith in her story and her at that point.

Carol has been a practicing lawyer for over thirty years and she just retired. She is one of the very best researchers we ever had in the JFK case. Her work on the Paines is unparalleled.

How people like Martin Shackleford and Fetzer bought into Baker just astounds me. Its actually kind of scary.

[Scott Kaiser]

Please Mr. Lemkin, I wouldn't want you to read into anything to "hard" about what I say, I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to be "sexiest" at all. What I'm trying to be is logical. As Spock would say, live long and prosper.

I'm a thinking man, not a dummy, a realist, not a dreamer, a truth seeker, not a conspiracy theorist.

The following evening Rivera gave Adele a tour of Washington. When they passed the White House he asked Adele, "I wonder what Jackie will do when her husband dies?" After Adele replied "What!", Rivera said, "Oh, oh, I meant the baby. She might lose the baby."

Later that evening Rivera asked Adele to carry out a couple of tasks when she arrived home in New Orleans. This included contacting Winston DeMonsabert, a member of the faculty at Loyola University. He then asked her to call Lee Harvey Oswald at 899-4244. "Write down this name: Lee Harvey Oswald. Tell him to kill the chief." Rivera then said, "No, no, don't write that down. You will remember it when you get to New Orleans. We're just playing a little joke on him."

Adele phoned this number in early May and was told by the man who answered that there was no one there by the name of Oswald.

Chalk another one up for the history books!

The veracity of her story will have to be judged on its merits - and her own

No! It will be judged by God, neither you nor I can judge her, I'm only saying that I don't believe, not believing what she is saying, is not judging her. I just don't believe she worked in any covert operations with Lee, Shaw, Ferre or Banister, if she had it would have jeopardized Oswald's cover. Another words, here is a lady working with Oswald to develop a bio weapon to inject Castro with, yet Oswald is proclaiming himself to be a Marxist?

You sir may believe what you want and that's my honest opinion, however, I will believe what I want, I'm not trying to change your mind or influence you in any way. So, when you say,

As to your 'charge' that she seems to have been in the 'know' too much for a woman of those times is a bit sexist

It appears that you are judging me.

[Scott Kaiser]

McAdams has about s much credibility as Baker.

You can flip a coin between the two.

The idea that if you get one person to vouch for you, then somehow that gives you ballast, that simply does not wash. Because Slatzer did this with his phony Marilyn MOnroe story and Summers fell for it. Turned out that he gave someone three hundred bucks to back up his fairy tale.

Carol Hewett did a ton of work on Baker way back when CBS was going to do a 60 Minutes segment about her. After spending months trying to verify her story, she decided there was no use in doing so. The other night I asked her what was the turning point and she said there were three things.

1. She kept changing and augmenting her story.

2. She told Carol that one night she had dinner with Oswald, Ruby, Ferrie and Clay Shaw. (She apparently said this with a straight face.)

3. She said that her and Lee used to go horseback riding on the beach in New Orleans. (If you have ever been to New Orleans, you will know how far out that sounds.)

She also said that there was a big part of her life that she felt Judyth was trying to hide from her. This was when she graduated from high school and then went to UF for college. Carol said that there were so many gaps from there forward and that Baker was so mysterious about that, that she just lost any faith in her story and her at that point.


Carol has been a practicing lawyer for over thirty years and she just retired. She is one of the very best researchers we ever had in the JFK case. Her work on the Paines is unparalleled.
How people like Martin Shackleford and Fetzer bought into Baker just astounds me. Its actually kind of scary.

I completely agree with Jim. Just that Jim knows a lot more then I do, and can say it better then me.

[Tracy Riddle]

Whenever a person's story changes and grows over time, it's a good idea to stop listening to them. It's the reason I can't trust anything Jean Hill said beyond the late 1960s.

It seems to be human nature for memories to "improve" like that, though, and they may not even consciously realize they are lying. Many people are capable of convincing themselves of almost anything.