Three new developments.
1] the shooter of the policewoman in south of Paris knew the brothers.
2] at first they said they had established communication with the brothers in the warehouse and that they stated they wanted to die as martyrs. Later, it was learned that communications have NOT YET been established...so how did they know they wanted to die, rather than surrender?!....who's writing this script?!
3] despite there only being two men with guns and maybe a rocket launcher, authorities are holding one runway at the airport free of commercial craft...if they need it...indicating they keep open the possibility to bring in heavy troops, tanks and such.....
...given 1], might not others attack the scrum of police and troops from the rear...though it would be an act of suicide?!
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David Guyatt Wrote:Not to distract from these ongoing events, but looking around I see that several people have noted the fact that this event has completely spiked the Prince Andrew sex slave story from the media, and this is completely true. It is not now even being reported as a secondary story, or on the inside pages.
Curious that.
On the media I keep in contact with, it has rather eclipsed all news....but I'm not sure it was an event invented to do that....however, it seems this will be over fairly soon....hours to a day at most...then back to the normal grunge news.
Call me cynical by all means, but I'm willing to bet that "back to normal grunge news" will not feature the Prince Andrew with the same verve as two days ago.
Dave, you cynical!?...never in my wildest mind excursions would I place you in that category! ::hush::
Bless you, Pete. ::
Assuming that this whole affair is a false flag event - and this remains uncertain imo, but has that flavour to it - then I suspect that there were a number of converging reasons for it to happen. Would the Jeffrey Epstein sex ring form part of that rationale? Possibly. Would the French government concern about imposing more US contrived/forced sanctions against Russia be something that needed punishing? Possibly. And while it is not proven that the Mossad may be behind this, and also Epstein's activities? - I don't write these off as being impossible. It's just too early days yet for reaching lasting conclusions.
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Quote:And while it is not proven that the Mossad may be behind this
I'm in agreement but would probably state that it isn't proven that they are - but there will always be a lingering suspicion that they may be. Speaking of which -
Quote:Israel is being attacked by the same forces attacking Europe, and just as Israel stands with Europe, so too Europe must stand with Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.
The prime minister, speaking following a meeting with visiting Norwegian Foreign Minister Börge Brende, said that Wednesday's terrorist attack in Paris "clearly demonstrates the disdain of radical Islam for the values we hold dear. We cherish freedom and tolerance; they worship tyranny and terror.
And through this terror they seek to impose a new dark age on humanity."
Netanyahu said the terrorists were "part of a global movement and this necessitates a global response. I believe that with the strength of our resolve and the unity of our action, we can defeat this threat to our common civilization. And what the battle against terror requires is courage, clarity and consistency."
Deputy Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi said in an Israel Radio interview that precisely that type of determination has been missing up until now in France and elsewhere in Europe in the battle against terrorism.
The French in the past tried to delude themselves regarding the true nature of threat, saying "maybe it was only sporadic incidents, maybe it is only anti-Semitism, maybe it is only against the Jews," Hanegbi said.
The French at times tried to understand the terrorists' motivations, and at other times tried to downplay the terrorists' ties to Islam, he said. The sheer brutality of Wednesday's attack, especially the murder of the policeman on the sidewalk, will compel the French government to "look at the reality square in the face" and realize there is a serious danger at their gates, he continued.
Hanegbi predicted that France will be forced, as the US was after the September 11, 2001, attacks, to empower the security establishment with tools to effectively deal with the threats.
"France must deal with the threat coming from within," he said. Hanegbi added that Israel, unfortunately, has quite a wealth of experience dealing with terrorism, and that "anyone who cooperates with a country as experienced [in dealing with terrorism] as Israel, only benefits."
Israel has the capability to help France a lot more than the French have requested in the past, he said. Now, France "will have an interest in being helped by anyone who can help them, including Israel."
Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, meanwhile, took the Paris attack and used it to prove a point regarding domestic Israeli policies.
If there was an important lesson to be learned from the attack, he said, it is that extremist movements must be dealt with early, and that there are only small legal and semantic differences separating those organizations from terrorist groups.
Those who demonstrate tolerance toward those organizations will ultimately pay a high price in blood, as well as in threats to the very democracies that allow those organizations to work, Liberman said.
Israel's lesson, he said, must be not to tarry and to stop the activities of Raed Salah and the northern branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel.
Liberman said Salah's organization was an inseparable link in the chain of terrorist organizations that includes Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al-Qaida and Islamic State. He said the organization "shares exactly the same values of the perpetrators of the massacre in Paris and its intolerance of criticism and of anything inconsistent with its extreme worldview."
The northern branch is a threat to Israeli democracy and the country's citizens, and it needs to be outlawed, Liberman said.
Netanyahu on Thursday sent a condolence letter to President François Hollande, saying that the attack on France "is an attack on us all. Free people everywhere must unite to confront radical Islamist terrorism and to protect ourselves against this threat to our common civilization."
The Israeli people "stand with the people of France at this difficult time," Netanyahu said.
Some of Netanyahu's comments of support above do evoke feelings of deja vu.
A huge line of buses are about to enter the town to evacuate 1] first students in a school ADJACENT to the warehouse, and then 2] other citizens in the town who want to leave....seems to me that they might try a 'MOVE' type siege - incendiary bombs to burn down the warehouse.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Long distance tv shots take at Dammartin shows a couple of guys - both dressed in Khaki pants and wearing black jackets with initials (or a name) on their backs (it's too distant to see what the initials are), but I assume (but don't know) this is not French military, security or police uniform and I wonder if they are US - possibly FBI?
Btw, it's a very similar uniform, in fact, to the Craft International men present at the Boston Bombing (pic below)
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Shooters were radicalized in Europe, sent to Syria, returned, have been previously arrested by Western security agencies for terrorism and long on the watch-list of French and other Western intelligence agencies. Yet "somehow" they still managed to execute a highly organized attack in the heart of Europe. In an all too familiar pattern and as predicted, the shooters involved in the attack in Paris Wednesday, January 7, 2015, were French citizens, radicalized in Europe and exported to Syria to fight in NATO's proxy war against the government in Damascus, then brought back where they have now carried out a domestic attack. Additionally, as have been many other domestic attacks, the suspects were long under the watch of Western intelligence services, with at least one suspect having already been arrested on terrorism charges. USA Today would report in an article titled, "Manhunt continues for two French terror suspects," that:
The suspects are two brothers Said, 34, and Cherif Kouachi, 32, both French nationals and Hamyd Mourad, 18, whose nationality wasn't known, a Paris police official told the Associated Press. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
USA Today would also report (emphasis added):
The brothers were born in Paris of Algerian descent. Cherif was sentenced to three years in prison on terrorism charges in May 2008. Both brothers returned from Syria this summer.
The implications of yet another case of Western-radicalized terrorists, first exported to fight NATO's proxy war in Syria, then imported and well-known to Western intelligence agencies, being able to carry out a highly organized, well-executed attack, is that the attack itself was sanctioned and engineered by Western intelligence agencies themselves,. This mirrors almost verbatim the type of operations NATO intelligence carried out during the Cold War with similar networks of radicalized militants used both as foreign mercenaries and domestic provocateurs. Toward the end of the Cold War, one of these militant groups was literally Al Qaeda a proxy mercenary front armed, funded, and employed by the West to this very day. Additionally, in all likelihood, the brothers who took part in the attack in Paris may have been fighting in Syria with weapons provided to them by the French government itself. France 24 would report last year in an article titled, "France delivered arms to Syrian rebels, Hollande confirms," that:
President Francois Hollande said on Thursday that France had delivered weapons to rebels battling the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad "a few months ago."
Deflecting blame for the current attack on "radical Islam" is but a canard obscuring the truth that these terrorists were created intentionally by the West, to fight the West's enemies abroad, and to intimidate and terrorize their populations at home.
We Must Sidestep the Canards
As with any false flag attack engineered by a government for the purpose of manipulating public perception and pushing through otherwise unjustifiable policy both foreign and domestic, a series of canards are erected to distract the public from the true nature of the attack. In the recent attack in Paris, France, the canards of "free speech," "condemning radical Islam," "tolerance," and "extremism" have all taken center stage, displacing the fact that the terrorists who carried out the attack were long on the leash not of "Islamic extremists" but Western intelligence agencies, fighting in a Western proxy war, as a member of a well-funded, armed, and trained mercenary force that has, on record since as early as 2007, been an essential component of Western foreign policy.
Indeed, Al Qaeda and its various rebrandings are not the creation of "Islamic extremism," but rather Western foreign policy using "extremism" as part of indoctrinating the rank and file, but directed by and solely for the purpose of serving an entirely Western agenda.
To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia's government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.
In reality, without Western backing, "laundered" through the Persian Gulf autocracies and manifesting themselves in a global network of mosques jointly run by Persian Gulf and Western intelligence agencies, there would be no "Islamic extremism" to speak of. To focus on "extremism" as a cause, rather than as a means used by the true perpetrators of this global-spanning campaign of Western-sanctioned terrorism, is not only to perpetuate such canards, but to invite the perpetuation of this very terrorism we are shocked and horrified by.
West Apparently Maintaining Domestic Radicalization/Recruitment Centers The recent Sydney cafe hostage crisis featuring an Iranian dissident granted Australian asylum and featured in anti-Iranian propaganda, exposed a vast network of radicalization and recruitment run in the Australian city of Sydney, used to organize support and fighters to be sent to the West's proxy war in Syria. The network included many notorious individuals, well known to Australian law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and many of whom had traveled to Syria, taken part in fighting alongside known terrorist organizations, and were allowed to return and continue their political activities in Australia. The Daily Mail's article, "Why did police ask former terror suspect for an ISIS flag?" would state:
Counter terrorism police have contacted Sydney man and one time terror accused Zaky Mallah and asked him for an ISIS flag.
Just over four hours into the Martin Place siege, officers the NSW Police Joint Counter Terrorism Team and asked him if he could give them an ISIS flag.
Zaky Mallah, 30, from Westmead in western Sydney offered the Counter Terrorist police the flag that hangs on the wall of his apartment, the moderate Islamic Front flag, but they weren't interested'.
The article would also state:
Two years ago Mr Mallah travelled to Syria and lived with the FSA rebels engaged in the bloody civil war against Muslim hardliner President Bashar el Assad before it got crazy over there'. After returning home, he encouraged young people to go to Syria and engage in jihad to experience the freedom fight taken up against El Assad…
As in Australia, France apparently also has a stable of former terrorists who had traveled to Syria and returned, all while on their watch lists and in Australia at least some of these terrorists are literally on security agency speed dials and are clearly a part of a network the intelligence community both monitors and in fact, maintains. Such networks have turned out thousands of recruits to fight in NATO's war in Syria. The BBC would report in an article titled, "Islamic State crisis: '3,000 European jihadists join fight'," that:
The number of Europeans joining Islamist fighters in Syria and Iraq has risen to more than 3,000, the EU's anti-terrorism chief has told the BBC.
Gilles de Kerchove also warned that Western air strikes would increase the risk of retaliatory attacks in Europe.
How exactly is the public expected to believe that such a vast number of terrorists can migrate overseas to fight alongside terrorist forces the West is currently, allegedly, fighting, without the West being able to stem such a tide? Clearly, just as arming Al Qaeda in Syria was done intentionally, so to have the floodgates been open, allowing European terrorists to both join NATO's proxy war in Syria, and to return home and join NATO's growing war against its own people. Operation Gladio on Steroids Such networks don't just mirror NATO's "stay behind networks" formed during the Cold War, supposedly created to activate in the wake of a full-scale Soviet invasion of Western Europe, but instead used as a covert front of political and terroristic provocation such networks today are a continuation of NATO's secret armies.
NATO's provocateurs used during the Cold War were a mixture of nationalists, anti-communists, former Nazi SS officers, and extremists of every stripe. Their particular beliefs were, however, ultimately irrelevant since they were used for a singular agenda defined not by these beliefs, but by NATO's own agenda.Many of the militants and extremists NATO used were liquidated upon the completion of the many false flag attacks NATO organized at the cost of hundreds of innocent European lives. Likewise, today, many of the gunmen or bombers involved in the long string of suspicious domestic attacks carried out by NATO's modern "stay behind network" are either killed on sight, or imprisoned and forgotten. While NATO's Cold War operations appeared confined to conducting terrorism upon its own people, today's networks are used to carry out both proxy wars overseas as well as to carry out terrorist attacks at home. The expansive nature of this network and the threat it poses to global peace and stability should be at the center of the Paris attack debate not the alleged beliefs, religion, or supposed agenda of the attackers who, just like their Cold War counterparts, were nothing more than patsies and pawns amid a much larger and insidious game. Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine "New Eastern Outlook".
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
uh-oh. Just reported a shootout in east Paris at a Kosher supermarket.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Peter Lemkin Wrote:On the media I keep in contact with, it has rather eclipsed all news....but I'm not sure it was an event invented to do that....however, it seems this will be over fairly soon....hours to a day at most...then back to the normal grunge news.
Call me cynical by all means, but I'm willing to bet that "back to normal grunge news" will not feature the Prince Andrew with the same verve as two days ago.
Dave, you cynical!?...never in my wildest mind excursions would I place you in that category! ::hush::
Bless you, Pete. ::
Assuming that this whole affair is a false flag event - and this remains uncertain imo, but has that flavour to it - then I suspect that there were a number of converging reasons for it to happen. Would the Jeffrey Epstein sex ring form part of that rationale? Possibly. Would the French government concern about imposing more US contrived/forced sanctions against Russia be something that needed punishing? Possibly. And while it is not proven that the Mossad may be behind this, and also Epstein's activities? - I don't write these off as being impossible. It's just too early days yet for reaching lasting conclusions.
Well some of us have noted this and wont be forgetting any time soon.
Anthony Thorne Wrote:
Quote:And while it is not proven that the Mossad may be behind this
I'm in agreement but would probably state that it isn't proven that they are - but there will always be a lingering suspicion that they may be. Speaking of which -
Quote:Israel is being attacked by the same forces attacking Europe, and just as Israel stands with Europe, so too Europe must stand with Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.
The prime minister, speaking following a meeting with visiting Norwegian Foreign Minister Börge Brende, said that Wednesday's terrorist attack in Paris "clearly demonstrates the disdain of radical Islam for the values we hold dear. We cherish freedom and tolerance; they worship tyranny and terror.
Some of Netanyahu's comments of support above do evoke feelings of deja vu.
David Guyatt Wrote:Long distance tv shots take at Dammartin shows a couple of guys - both dressed in Khaki pants and wearing black jackets with initials (or a name) on their backs (it's too distant to see what the initials are), but I assume (but don't know) this is not French military, security or police uniform and I wonder if they are US - possibly FBI?
Btw, it's a very similar uniform, in fact, to the Craft International men present at the Boston Bombing (pic below)
Exactly what I thought too. Eerily so.
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09-01-2015, 03:05 PM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2015, 03:48 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Now there is ALSO a supermarket hostage taking in East Paris, connected to all this. I'm going to guess that there will be many more such incidents [now 4] in the next hours and days.
Aha, now I look and see this was posted above...sorry. Well, kosher is close to halal, in fact identical...so the gunmen can eat without problems....
...al Jazeera and other news outlets are having a hard time covering all of these 'breaking stories' that are all so high-profile.
By the way, the number of school children next to the warehouse with the two original Paris shooters number 1000, and the Police report that the brothers have agreed to their removal - so if these are terrorists, they are under certain circumstances, very civil ones. When they took one woman's car, they didn't hurt her, and told her [reportedly] to only tell the authorities the car was being taken in the name of al Qaeda in Yemen. They didn't hurt the man at the service station either. Whether any or all of the reports are true we really don't know...but it is interesting if they are.
Also new, the hostage taking male at the Kosher Supermarket [he has his girlfriend as co-hostage taker along] is the same man who shot and killed the policewoman in South Paris, and is a friend of the brothers......all very interesting. Paris has, of all European countries, the highest numbers and percentage of both Jews and Muslims....and this event seems pointed not at the French state, nor 'blasphemous cartoonists', but at persons who who would frequent a Kosher market [mostly Jews].
Paris is one busy place right about now....and my guess is it will get even busier in the next hours and days.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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