09-01-2015, 03:51 PM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2015, 04:09 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Magda Hassan Wrote:
David Guyatt Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:
David Guyatt Wrote:Call me cynical by all means, but I'm willing to bet that "back to normal grunge news" will not feature the Prince Andrew with the same verve as two days ago.
Dave, you cynical!?...never in my wildest mind excursions would I place you in that category! ::hush::
Bless you, Pete. ::
Assuming that this whole affair is a false flag event - and this remains uncertain imo, but has that flavour to it - then I suspect that there were a number of converging reasons for it to happen. Would the Jeffrey Epstein sex ring form part of that rationale? Possibly. Would the French government concern about imposing more US contrived/forced sanctions against Russia be something that needed punishing? Possibly. And while it is not proven that the Mossad may be behind this, and also Epstein's activities? - I don't write these off as being impossible. It's just too early days yet for reaching lasting conclusions.
Well some of us have noted this and wont be forgetting any time soon.
Anthony Thorne Wrote:I'm in agreement but would probably state that it isn't proven that they are - but there will always be a lingering suspicion that they may be. Speaking of which -
Quote:Israel is being attacked by the same forces attacking Europe, and just as Israel stands with Europe, so too Europe must stand with Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.
The prime minister, speaking following a meeting with visiting Norwegian Foreign Minister Börge Brende, said that Wednesday's terrorist attack in Paris "clearly demonstrates the disdain of radical Islam for the values we hold dear. We cherish freedom and tolerance; they worship tyranny and terror.
Some of Netanyahu's comments of support above do evoke feelings of deja vu.
David Guyatt Wrote:Long distance tv shots take at Dammartin shows a couple of guys - both dressed in Khaki pants and wearing black jackets with initials (or a name) on their backs (it's too distant to see what the initials are), but I assume (but don't know) this is not French military, security or police uniform and I wonder if they are US - possibly FBI?
Btw, it's a very similar uniform, in fact, to the Craft International men present at the Boston Bombing (pic below)
Exactly what I thought too. Eerily so.
The French Police [Gendarmerie] have three flavors - local, national, and special forces - and when not in Ninja suits or plainclothes do wear clothes with large back patches similar to US FBI and other such agencies. I don't think any US intel people are there in any great number - and certainly not in uniform. French special special forces [several flavors] are also present around these incidents, but usually don't wear such labeled uniforms...but some leaders and ancillary persons in their ranks do on occasion. They all have the large back patch, stating what service they are with.
As to who is REALLY behind this, I think it is too early to tell.....a 'good' false-flag operation leads the primary actors to not even know who is behind it.... time will tell.... all options are IMO open.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Things change by the minutes. The man holding hostages in East Paris [five hostages or so], says he will start killing his hostages IF police move in on or hurt the Kouaci brothers. The French authorities have a very 'interesting' situation on their hands!...and there are thoughts by more than I that before this is over there may well be more than two active hostage situations in play.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:At least their behaviour is strange. Why did they go backward in the direction of Paris and not try to leave the country?
Yep - say 5mins in the wrong office, 10mins in the right office, so perhaps 15mins for the police to arrive, a shoot-out or two taking more time, then the U-turn they've done. I think the police have pretty sensibly backed-off or at least paused once the situation's become more clear - automatic gunfire/multiple shooters; then the shooters have pretty casually legged-it. Still seems odd that (as I take it) they've had extra footware, which I'd assume is towards a plan of escape, that they were so casual, and then there's obviously been no plan of escape as they didn't even have any food or fuel with them.
Martin Luther King - "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
Albert Camus - "The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion".
Douglas MacArthur — "Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons."
Albert Camus - "Nothing is more despicable than respect based on fear."
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Dave, you cynical!?...never in my wildest mind excursions would I place you in that category! ::hush::
Bless you, Pete. ::
Assuming that this whole affair is a false flag event - and this remains uncertain imo, but has that flavour to it - then I suspect that there were a number of converging reasons for it to happen. Would the Jeffrey Epstein sex ring form part of that rationale? Possibly. Would the French government concern about imposing more US contrived/forced sanctions against Russia be something that needed punishing? Possibly. And while it is not proven that the Mossad may be behind this, and also Epstein's activities? - I don't write these off as being impossible. It's just too early days yet for reaching lasting conclusions.
Well some of us have noted this and wont be forgetting any time soon.
Anthony Thorne Wrote:I'm in agreement but would probably state that it isn't proven that they are - but there will always be a lingering suspicion that they may be. Speaking of which -
David Guyatt Wrote:Long distance tv shots take at Dammartin shows a couple of guys - both dressed in Khaki pants and wearing black jackets with initials (or a name) on their backs (it's too distant to see what the initials are), but I assume (but don't know) this is not French military, security or police uniform and I wonder if they are US - possibly FBI?
Btw, it's a very similar uniform, in fact, to the Craft International men present at the Boston Bombing (pic below)
Exactly what I thought too. Eerily so.
The French Police [Gendarmerie] have three flavors - local, national, and special forces - and when not in Ninja suits or plainclothes do wear clothes with large back patches similar to US FBI and other such agencies. I don't think any US intel people are there in any great number - and certainly not in uniform. French special special forces [several flavors] are also present around these incidents, but usually don't wear such labeled uniforms...but some leaders and ancillary persons in their ranks do on occasion. They all have the large back patch, stating what service they are with.
As to who is REALLY behind this, I think it is too early to tell.....a 'good' false-flag operation leads the primary actors to not even know who is behind it.... time will tell.... all options are IMO open.
Ther identification word on the back of the jacket was shorter, and the word "FBI" would, I think, have fitted that. Possibly "police" as well, but not Gendarmerie, although it was a telephoto lens shot and not clear. FBI are issued with khaki coloured 5-11 tactical pants, so I think it could still be them (by no means certain though) - and, of course, FBI agents are stationed in almost all countries anyway, so their presence at a hostage situation would not be so strange, I think.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Explosions of some type and shooting in Dammartin-en-Goele now after special forces were seen on the roof of the warehouse. Helicopters are also starting their engines to circle over the building....so things are heating up now! Don't know about the brothers, but have a bad feeling that the hostage is no longer alive...now what will happen at the Kosher restaurant hostage taking?!....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Shooting at the print warehouse. Smoke from the roof vents. Previously I saw several police on the roof. Looks like they've gone in. Let's hope the kosher deli guys don't have tv. But probably do.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Magda Hassan Wrote:Shooting at the print warehouse. Smoke from the roof vents. Previously I saw several police on the roof. Looks like they've gone in. Let's hope the kosher deli guys don't have tv. But probably do.
Yep, I'm seeing the same thing. The police have stormed the place.
BBC has put a 60 second delay on live transmission. Mustn't let the public see anything...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Magda Hassan Wrote:Shooting at the print warehouse. Smoke from the roof vents. Previously I saw several police on the roof. Looks like they've gone in. Let's hope the kosher deli guys don't have tv. But probably do.
Yep, I'm seeing the same thing. The police have stormed the place.
It is now totally silent...so much for taking the two men alive......they may very well never have wanted that scenario.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Simultaneous assault on the hostage taking in East Paris Kosher shop!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Simultaneous assault on the hostage taking in East Paris Kosher shop!
Yep, just got that too. BBC lagging here though. 5 loud explosions, no gunfire. Stun grenades I would guess.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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