Magda Hassan Wrote:I don't think Poroshenko has even signed it.
No he didn't. No official representative from Ukraine signed it.
I wonder if they did to him what Kerry did to Abbas recently? Pretend to have a meeting and then present him with a prearranged statement that they present to the media as the final agreement but he was never consulted or had any input? In any case Putin, Merkel and Hollande have by passed any US involvement so all good on that front. Unless one considers Merkel and Hollande stalking horses for the US.
That's the question I have too. Are the Europeans imposing their own solution and giving the US a one finger salute or are they still playing loyal NATO flunkies? It's not at all clear which? To me anyway.
But if John R Schindler at the XX Committee blog is to be believed, we are dealing with a war shy Obama who won't get militarily involved plus weak and "impotent" European leaders (Merkel and Hollande) in the face of the "military weakling" Putin, resulting in a "feckless" European foreign policy. Said he in yesterday's post.
So, I guess if he is to be believed then it is down to Merkel Hollande and Putin and the fuck America approach to destroying the Euro and Europe.
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In a few hours, the armistice is supposed to be in effect shortly. Zacharchenko has decreed that soldiers remaining inside the DPR, i.e. the boiler, will have to surrender or die. Ukraine continues to insist that there is no boiler. The US will probably continue to hold the RF to blame, which means ...
And so on.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Second hand: Poroshenko 3 minutes before the deadline has ordered a cease fire. He has assured his country that there is no boiler and that resupply just happened today with a rotation of troops. The fighting going on there is the result of terrorist actions. I would imagine he is keeping his staunch ally Obama abreast of the situation in real time.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Another armistice is now official and things are quieter. Supposedly Azov battalion is moving towards the front in Mariupol -- Azov is not under the command of the government. Yarosh has ordered his Praviy Sektor units to keep fighting in the Debalstevo boiler. Debalstevo was leafleted again via artillery shells calling for surrender versus death. Mixed reports have been coming in on Debalstevo itself so far.
Here is an interesting comment from the Quemodo Institute, one of the critics of the Minsk II agreements. Their point is that the declaration of independence on the behalf of the DPR seems to have been forgotten. Then Zacharchenko goes and totally redeems himself:
Quote:Zakharchenko Reinstates DPR Independence. In a brilliantly executed turnabout, Donetsk People's Republic Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko has in essence reinstated the DPR Declaration of Independence, according to his statements in this Euromaidan Press video. A very rough transcript of his words, typed fom the subtitles, reads as follows: "We regard the Minsk agreement a victory, paradoxically, in that we will be able to change Ukraine itself. Ukraine's constitution and political processes are controlled by us. The Minsk agreement is vague and open to interpretation. Note that the Minsk agreement does not mention Debaltsevo. Ukraine has betrayed the 5000 men in the Debaltsevo paocket. We will regard any attempts of Ukraine troops to break out of the pocket or deblockade it as a violation of the Minsk ceasefire. Kiev WILL try this, which is why the Minsk ceasefire has already been violated. We will follow our own election law, already adopted by the People's Council. Local elections will be governed by this law. I don't know what Poroshenko hopes for. This allowed us to understand the Minsk agreements in this way. We understand it as de facto independence, and will go from there. This is the way we signed them and the way we understand them. We are breaking none of the agreements. Minsk allows for providing us with special powers. If our demands of de facto independence are not met, we will keep insisting the territory held by Ukrainian army is illegally occupied and the borders of the Donetsk People's Republic are the borders of the Donetsk region. We have the right to live separately and have separate economic policies. The processes happening here actually have nothing to do with Ukraine. The way Ukraine sees them does not matter at all." The video is found at Terrorist leader Zakharcheko rejects key points of Minsk agreements (Feb 14). Quemado Institute rejoices at this turn of events and fully supports Zakharchenko's efforts.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I
"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
A picture says a thousand words. Clearly, in this picture one of the four present is uncomfortable and the rest are at ease.
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"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
Quote:Ukrainian security forces are striving mightily to take control of the village Logvinova , which is located nearby Debaltseve. This is due not only to the fact that it is a key location, situated on the road Debaltseve - Artemivs'k, but also because close to Logvinova is a rather large unit of the armed forces of NATO and/or Western mercenaries trying to get out of the boiler. During the last couple of days, Ukrainian Armed Forces have launched desperate and costly attacks on the militia in order to release these troops.
According to radio intercepts obtained by Novorossian intelligence, most of the voices are English and Polish. The same thing was remarked a few days earlier by the Ministry of Defence DNR, Edward Basurin, who said that according to available data, foreign troops from France, Poland, and, apparently, from the UK or the US. He also said that the Ukrainian security forces were busy eliminating all evidence of these foreign troops, as well as the fact that the Kievan junta forces are using American weapons.
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
15-02-2015, 03:59 PM (This post was last modified: 15-02-2015, 10:54 PM by Magda Hassan.)
Was wondering if this was the case. The cease fire is holding fairly well in most places except here and Mariupol where Azov is being their dumb fascist selves. So what's the big deal here. Some thing to hide? The DPR would have given safe passage (they don't want to feed 5,000 men for a start) to all the P.O.Ws but mercenaries are not P.O.Ws.
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