A Rich Man's Trick

[Tom Scully]

No, Brian, despite the overwhelming odds nothing will be found as far as new Tippit "hull" evidence, one Bill Miller maintains quite recently that one shot more than the consensus number was fired. You've articulated that your eyes are wide open as to what you've gotten yourself into. Researching Boise B Smith must almost seem like a respite from much of the rest of it. I was struck by his evacuation of displaced Japanese in cholera plagued, Nationalist Chinese territories in 1947 - 48 because it did not impress me as an assignment indicating much influence with higher ups in the CoC or intel connections, but it was a time of a long unwinding of WWII officer levels. The orders sending him into that may have been his best strategy to maintain his Lt. Col. rank of the options available.

I just took a run at "Gospel Jack," he even did a 2002 Oral history with the Sixth Flr. Museum that is not available on line. Jim Marrs has Jack emerging after 25 years to tell his story of a patron in the Texas Theater, only the third one known because the army of DPD in the Texas Theater did not take or took and did not preserve a verified list of the theater patrons. Jack got my notice because at first I thought he only allegedly talked to Marrs. I was skeptical of Jack's claims after I had uncovered the family background of witness John Gibson and found nothing relevant confirming he saw Oswald raise a revolver and heard the click of the hammer. Jack is called "Gospel Jack" because he has been a local radio personality for more than 35 years while also doing a 19 year long stint with Frito-Lay, so why the long silence on his 22 November lunchtime at the movies, if he is the real deal?

I try to avoid late to the party witnesses and advocating for any witness accounts, except for presenting the conflicting accounts. I try too avoid spending time on photo and movie film interpretation. If someone believes it is not Oswald's face and body depicted in the BYPs, how can they expect their own photo interpretations to be verified or carry much weight? I'm not making a judgment about the authenticity of the BYPs, but it is interesting that they do not pass the smell test yet they have yet to be discredited or as composites despite ever more sophisticated computer aided analysis.

Bill Kelly has written more than anyone I've read about the missing code book problem and the attempted work arounds on the cabinet plane that did the U-turn, but you probably know that.

Even the approach you described of assembling verifiable details as evidence that can be built upon, is fraught with the challenges posed by coincidences that seem too numerous. Former FBI agent IB Hale was married to Virginia Kingsley Hale. His post FBI position was as industrial security manager for the Fort Worth aircraft works recently purchased and managed by General Dynamics. Despite the existence of a 1962 FBI field agent's report that Hales twin sons were observed by the reporting agent forcing entry into Judith Exner's Los Angeles apartment financed by Roselli, and the FBI certain knowledge that one of those twins was the widower of John Connally's daughter and was investigated after he claimed to have slapped the long gun she was pointing at her own head to try to save her from injury an instant before it discharged and killed her, the FBI assigned IB Hale investigative assignments in the evening of 22 November, and simply described to the WC without further comment that Mrs. Virginia Hale of Fortune Rd. Fort Worth, employed by the Texas Employment bureau, contacted LHO and sent him on job interview to Leslie Welding that resulted in employment. Virginia Hale was the spouse of IB Hale and the couple were the in-laws of Gov. Connally's late daughter. I managed to preserve this in the "Texas Governor" section fo the Connally wikipedia article for many months.:

Warren Commission exhibit CE 1891[SUP][18][/SUP] states that Mrs. Virginia Hale of Fortune Road, employed in the Fort Worth office of the Texas Employment Commission, sent Lee Harvey Oswald to a job location at the Leslie Welding Company in July of 1962. Robert Allen Hale (son of Virginia and FBI agent Insall Bailey "I. B." Hale) had previously been cleared by a coroner's jury in Florida of responsibility related to the April 1959 shooting death of Connally's teenaged daughter (Kathleen Connally Hale). Robert Hale and Kathleen Connally Hale had been married 44 days at the time of her death.[SUP][19][/SUP][SUP][20][/SUP][SUP][21][/SUP][SUP][22][/SUP]

The wikipedia vanilla flavor enforcers insist that none of those details should be displayed in that article and now there is no mention of any Connally daughter other than the surviving one. The same scrubbing later was accomplished in the wikipedia article on Connally's former son-in-law Bobby "Papa Pilgrim" Hale.

I learned too slowly why researchers keep what they find to themselves for years or even decades before assembling it in a book and selling it. It seems better when you pay for it, and is weightier. I regret not attempting to package and sell my discovery that Oliver North's trusted courier, Rob Owen, was the son of Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller's 39 year employee, lobbyist, and PR flack, Dwight Owen, Sr. Godfrey's daughter Marion, was married to Robert G. Stone, Jr.

Deceptive Investing | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

www.thecrimson.com/.../deceptive-investing-harva...


The Harvard Crimson


Oct 15, 2002 - Harvard's shady deal with Harken smacks of corporate decadence and irresponsibility. By The CRIMSON Staff, October 15, 2002 ... seven-member top governing board, included Robert G. Stone Jr. '45 among its members. Stone ... yet students and Faculty have no meaningful input in the selection of the ...

His son, Godfrey Anderson Rockefeller was a member of Bush's Andover secret society, A.U.V. and he married Constance Vauclain Hamilton, raised by her grandfather, Samuel, president of Baldwin Locomotive and Remington, Eddystone.:

Dastardly Plot Killed 150 Eddystone Munition - Google News

news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat...J...Google News

President Vauclain said today: The disaster occurred in the building devoted to ... was nothing in it. stock of the Eddystone1 is all in American hands," he said. ... from the site of the,, building destroyed Is the smokeless -powder magazine of ...

Eddystone Disaster Victims Monument - Find A Grave

Birth: unknown. Death: Apr. 10, 1917
Decorations still appear at this grave site today - likely brought by descendants of some of these unidentified souls. Originally, there were 52 bodies laid to rest, but there were three more bodies added later making a total of 55 buried here

You will not find the Eddystone disaster listed among the industrial incidents with the greatest loss of life,
despite the gruesome and sudden fate of nearly as many victims as in the NYC Triangle Shirt Waist Factory fire, circa 1912.

1942:

The other fellow pictured in the Phillips Andover yearbook photo was an heir to the Alka-Seltzer fortune.

Cumberland Evening Times from Cumberland, Maryland ...

www.newspapers.com/newspage/1190843/


D. Rockefeller, was married to ^Constance .. Vauclain Hamilton-.to' a^fashionable .ceremony Saturday fin Ithe .Church ... Rockefeller .is a-son of : Godfrey Stillman-:Rockefeller of 1 Greenwich Conn. ..

......Godfrey A Rockefller, pictured above, son of Godfrey s. Rockefller, married Constance Vauclain Hamilton , sister of this man, in 1948:
http://www.pennock.w.../nti163596.html
Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA) - November 18, 1997
Deceased Name: SAMUEL M.V. HAMILTON
BROKERAGE EXECUTIVE, 73 Samuel M.V. Hamilton, 73, a senior vice president at Janney Montgomery Scott, died of cancer Sunday at his home in Wayne.
Mr. Hamilton, also executive director of 218 Enterprises and an owner of Samuels, a restaurant in Spread Eagle Village, was a partner in Montgomery Scott & Co. for many years before the firm merged with Janney, Battles & E.W. Clark in 1971.
Active in civic and cultural affairs, Mr. Hamilton was a member and former chairman of the board of the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts, and was a former member of the board of the Franklin Institute. He was on the board of Fox Chase Cancer Center and the Hamilton Family Foundation. He was a director of the Coaching Club of America, which preserves the tradition of traveling by horse-drawn coach.
Born in New York, Mr. Hamilton was raised in Rosemont by his grandfather Samuel M. Vauclain, chairman of the board of Baldwin Locomotive Works. He graduated from the Choate School in Wallingford, Conn., and from the University of Pennsylvania. An Army lieutenant, he served with the Office of Strategic Service and the CIA during the Korean War.
Surviving are his wife, Dorrance Hill Hamilton; daughter, Margaret H. Duprey; sons, Nathaniel P. and S. Matthews V. Jr.; a sister; a brother; and nine grandchildren..........

So I try to be content looking for patterns. I present them, and CIA fanboys attempt to contradict them.:

Tom Scully - April 15, 2015
Avinash,
Thank you for clearing that question up! Now kindly answer this question…. does Bush owe the American people any explanation?
At Gerald Ford's funeral, Bush announced.:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/washin....html?_r=0 "…And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford's word was always good…."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...elPageId=2 "…I learned that Mr. George HW Bush, DCI designate has prior knowledge of the now terminated Project…" http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...elPageId=2 "…WUbriny/1 … why M. Charles was accompanied by George DeMohrenschildt."
http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/on-thi...ent-428729 April 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm Mr. McAdams particularly, as well as others who practice such vigorous political partisanship cannot have it both ways. They cannot assert as if it was proven fact Oswald shot at Edwin Walker and the DeMohrenschildts soon met with Oswald and left him and Dallas with awareness of his crime and not demand a frank public accounting today from living persons of their knowledge of what happened just days later. DeMohrenschiltd arrived in New York City and on April 25 met along with Clemard Charles, a CIA associate, Thomas J. Devine (aka WUbriny(1)). CIA documents inform that after the first meeting DeMohrenschildt was clearly the priority of interest of Devine and his CIA superior, C. Frank Stone III. Three subsequent meetings or encounters between DeMohrenschildt and Devine were described in CIA documents by May 19,1963. Last fall I discovered Devine had attended Rochester, NY area Allendale-Columbia school from grades K-12 and that his father Adrian was that school board's chairman. There were 20 in Devine's class and newspapers of the time reported that Peter Dryer was one of them. When I questioned Joan Mellen about this, she shared that Dryer's brother Joseph told her that Devine had been his best friend in Rochester. I documented it here.:

Four days after CIA's Devine and his Rochester friend, Joseph F, Dryer, Jr. just happened also meet with Charles and DeMohrenschildt in NYC on that very same day, 25 April, 1963.:

[URL="http://http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=102967&relPageId=2&search=gale_and%20allen"]
MEMO: GEORGE DEMOHRENSCHILDT [/URL]
29 April, 1963:
....Gale Allen, DODS case officer, has requested an expedite check on Subject, exact reason unknown.

....and in 1975 :
MEMORANDUM:MESSRS. GEORGE BUSH AND THOMAS J. DEVINE, pg 2 Found in: DDP (Deputy Director for Plans) Files
Director of Operations SUBJECT: Messrs. George Bush and Thomas J. Devine Through Mr. Gale Allen, C/CCS/PRG, I learned that Mr. George Bush, DCI designate
operations in Europe. He became aware of this project through Mr. Thomas J. Devine, a former CIA Staff Employee and later, oil-wildcatting associate with Mr
sold. After the sale of Zapata Oil, Mr. Bush went into politics, and Mr. Devine became a member of the investment firm of Train, Cabot and Associates, New ......

Pg. 3 http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docI...3&tab=page
Gale Allen describes the relationship of Bush and Devine, and a sanitized description of Devine coming out
of CIA retirement to participate in the 1963 Op in which he met with DeMohrenschildt and Gale Allen requested an expidited check on DeM. Gale Allen ends by calling Devine the most discreet and securiity conscious ..... the he, Allen, has met.

Gale Allen passed away ten months ago.: He was with the CIA at least 32 years.
Earlier this year, I sent an email to former HSCA counsel Ed Lopez, author of the Lopez report, with the above information.

CIA Fanboy Posted 14 October 2015
........

So, the FBI had this information on Easter Sunday, 1963. George and Jeanne DM left the USA within days, and never saw the Oswalds again.


So -- did George DM tell the CIA about the Walker shooting, if he refused to tell the FBI about the Walker shooting? .......

Brian, I've shared all of this with you in the hope of showing you that I may be down, demoralized, but I am not out. I scrape along and I make a case while making a sincere effort to present well supported facts and not sensationalize. The facts above are parts of Bush's legacy, and at this point he's chosen to go to the grave without making any effort to qualify his absurd comments in his 2007 eulogy of Gerry Ford. Weeks before the 50th anniversary, exactly two years ago, I emailed the above details about the "coincidental" April 25, 1963 meetings of close friends, Devine and Dryer, Jr. to the investigative editor t the Rochester Gannett newspaper, Dick Moss. It was on a weekend and I had earlier briefly described the details to one of Moss's reporters who said he had to take another call and would get back to me. Dick Moss replied to my email in less than two hours and advised that he could not justify even the expense of making an inquiry to the local Allendale-Columbia school where Devine's graduating class of ten in 1944 had included Dryer's brother and Haitian kenaf cultivation partner, Peter, until ninth grade, and earlier student, Joseph Dryer, Jr. Mr. Moss explained that his father had been the archivist at the JFK Library and that his father's influence persuaded Dick Moss that DeMohrenschildt was of little importance and thus he anticipated there would be little local readers' interest in a fifty anniversary story of two Rochester private school friends who had conducted secret meetings with DeMohrenschildt just days after the alleged April 10, attempted shooting of Gen. Walker in Dallas. Moss's father is the subject of a wikipedia page.:
William W. Moss

[Tracy Riddle]

Brian, I started studying the JFK assassination a couple of years before I got on the internet, which in some ways was a benefit because I couldn't be buried in so much junk information. It would be great to have a place where all of the information was compiled and organized perfectly, but that would take a tremendous amount of work.

And even then the best researchers still disagree about all kinds of things. There are areas of this subject where I disagree with Jim DiEugenio, Harold Weisberg, Sylvia Meagher, Gerald McKnight and other researchers whom I really respect overall.

You have to be the final judge about the truth, to the best of your ability.

Here is my list of the most essential articles and books on the subject. Hopefully it will help cut through the crap.

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...iUIo9KrRAk

[Lauren Johnson]

Brian and Tracy

I agree laying out the final truth especially about the JFK case is a recipe for failure, as Tracy said.

HOWEVER, there is much to be said for providing a resource that describes the landscape of research distinguishing what is known from what is not yet settled. There are certainly very credible, high quality researchers who are not at all in agreement on certain points. Delineating the points of agreement and disagreement would provide a valuable resource.

I could imagine researchers here producing a series of white papers on various aspects of the investigation with references for the young researcher or interested lay person.

[Tracy Riddle]

We actually have a JFK Wiki set up here someplace, but I've never had the time and energy to work on it. It would be such an enormous undertaking, properly footnoted, sourced and all.

[Lauren Johnson]

We actually have a JFK Wiki set up here someplace, but I've never had the time and energy to work on it. It would be such an enormous undertaking, properly footnoted, sourced and all.

Actually, Tracy, I am thinking of projects much less ambitious than the JFK Wiki, not withstanding that the various projects would entail work.

[Brian Castle]

Brian and Tracy

I agree laying out the final truth especially about the JFK case is a recipe for failure, as Tracy said.

HOWEVER, there is much to be said for providing a resource that describes the landscape of research distinguishing what is known from what is not yet settled. There are certainly very credible, high quality researchers who are not at all in agreement on certain points. Delineating the points of agreement and disagreement would provide a valuable resource.

I could imagine researchers here producing a series of white papers on various aspects of the investigation with references for the young researcher or interested lay person.

We actually have a JFK Wiki set up here someplace, but I've never had the time and energy to work on it. It would be such an enormous undertaking, properly footnoted, sourced and all.

We actually have a JFK Wiki set up here someplace, but I've never had the time and energy to work on it. It would be such an enormous undertaking, properly footnoted, sourced and all.

Actually, Tracy, I am thinking of projects much less ambitious than the JFK Wiki, not withstanding that the various projects would entail work.

Hi Lauren, hi Tracy - y'all are warming my heart! Talking my language. We're on the same page. (Finally! Whew... for a while I though I was alone in the wilderness or something, lol).

So... how about if I can help? I have an idea, how about this - start with the people. Keep it simple, and provide a growth path that leads to where it needs to end up. And meanwhile, provide a mechanism whereby it can be easily updated in real time. Just like a Wiki - so, y'all are talking about a Wiki, and the scope of that is broad, wiki's are about events, they're about people, they're about models and concepts...

How about this - start simple. First, do "just the people". So, like, a "Who's Who". A list of people. And if done properly, what this will give us eventually is a database of "People" records, upon which we can build "Events", consisting of People who participate in them.

Now - I'm aware of several "Who's Who's" about the JFK case. There is one in book form, and there is another one on the internet (I think it's called A-Z, or something like that).

The "work" involved, is to enter the list of People into the database, with as much supporting information as is desired.

Once the records are in the database, they can be "presented" in any desired form - a wiki, or whatever format happens to be useful.

I don't know about y'all, but I find Wiki's data entry method(s) to be somewhat cumbersome, I don't much like the way they do their annotations for instance - so perhaps some elements of the "technical" side of this, and the "user interface" side of this, could be improved and made a whole lot easier to use and a whole lot more efficient in terms of time and effort and space needed to maintain.

So... I'm a computer guy (one of my many talents, ha ha) - and I could bring up a meat-and-potatoes version of this in record time (a week? maybe two?), and I could do it in such a way that the data would be backed up automatically on a nightly basis so nothing would ever get lost.

And, not only that, I already have seed data. I already have the entire Who's Who list that was originally on the internet, and it has already been embellished with several hundred additional records. Names like IB Hale are probably not on it though, they'd need to be added. And this is where y'all come in, 'cause I just heard about IB Hale for the very first time moments ago, so like, my role in this would be to provide y'all with a convenient data entry and storage method, and I could do that entirely for free for y'all, no stupid ads or nothin' like that... y'know... a real genuine professional research site that brings the information right into the layman's living room and yet is still useful for the serious researcher.

Would y'all be willing to participate in the building of a credible "Who's Who"? I can maintain the entire back end of it at no cost to you, I already have all the facilities in place (or, you can do it yourselves if you wish, I'm not trying to hog information or anything - in fact I'll share not only the database I already have, but all the code I've already written around it, with whoever wants it - and in fact, getting an export of this database should be do'able by anyone at any time, that's one of the wonderful benefits of having data in this form - and you can search it, alphabetically or otherwise - if we do this right we can build on it, and then use it as a building block when we're thinking about more ambitious stuff like broad Wiki's and possibly even things like the timelines that are being discussed in the sticky-thread).

What do you think? Would you be willing to do "a little" work, in terms of participating in the data-entry and data-verification parts of such an effort? If we get enough people to chip in, it wouldn't be that much work for any one individual. And, we'll know when we're "there", when no one's adding any more new names to the list, lol. It wouldn't take that long, I'm pretty sure if we start with what's already there, we could build a very credible repository of People in a very short time.

[Tracy Riddle]

Brian, many years ago I might have been up to working on a project like that, but I've got too many other things in my life now, and not enough energy these days.

[R.K. Locke]

You might be able to create a JFK Consensus Panel - along similar lines to the 9/11 one - if only you could get more than two JFK researchers to actually agree on anything.

[Brian Castle]

Brian, many years ago I might have been up to working on a project like that, but I've got too many other things in my life now, and not enough energy these days.

Okay.

Just to attach numbers to some of these concepts, the number of names currently in the basic who's who is 4,000 (give or take a few hundred). At one point I estimated that the total number of People records in a finished product would be somewhere just south of 20,000. What's there already, are the "common" names in the literature, and for about six months before I got sick (I've been out of commission for about six months, just coming back on line) I was doing a "background task" of loading names. I personally loaded about a thousand names, to add to the several thousand that were already there.

So, here's how it worked for me in practice. Initially, I'd be reading some article I found on Google (or equivalently, I'd come across a book). Suddenly I'd encounter a name I never heard before (to use a concrete example, Igor Vaganov was one of those names, it wasn't in the initial list and at one point I didn't know who this fellow was). So, the first thing I did, is create a "placeholder", an empty record with only the name and nothing else. The record is fine in this form, and I'll explain why in a moment (it has to do with a "status" attached to records), and the name as is will show up in search results.

Then, at some point, I'd finish the article (or the book), and then I'd decide what I wanted to say about this person. Usually I tried to get about two or three paragraphs' worth of description, in the first round. Sometimes that was impossible (like in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald, three paragraphs is nowhere near enough), and sometimes there wasn't even a full paragraph's worth of information available on a particular person. So, once I decided on the content, I'd update the record. And I could do this iteratively, so if I changed my mind later, or came across new information, I'd simply update the record again.

This is easy work, right? You can sort of tell when you encounter a new name, whether it's likely to already be on the list or not. Right now, the list is already pretty extensive, so names like Igor Vaganov are on it, but names like IB Hale are not. So if you run into "Thyraud de Vosjoli", it's probably worth checking whether it's on the list or not. If it's not, put in the placeholder, all you have to do is enter the name and press the ok button. This is a "background task", yes? It's something you can do while you're doing whatever else you're doing. It takes maybe 15 seconds out of every 60 minutes, or something like that.

Look, let me be serious about this. I can set this up in one week, with automatic peer review. AND user roles, AND user groups, so it'll accommodate everything from lone wolf researchers, to small research teams, to big research groups. You can turn each feature on or off, so if you don't want any peer review just turn it off. You can configure the site to enforce or not enforce rules, or enforce them "gradually" or "with latitude".

If a random web user without a user ID surfs to the Who's Who page, they can only do simple things, like print out the list, or search alphabetically.

If one of you researchers with a user ID surfs to the same page, you can see additional details in each record, including a full audit trail of who modified the record, when it was modified, and any notes or comments as to why it may have been modified (in other words, the history of the record). Ordinary web surfers can not modify data, but researchers can, and the rules for how that's done are easily configurable, they include features like peer review and so on.

Initially, I would turn peer review off, for the purpose of loading data. (Because I imagine there could be some data-loading in volume, just based on some of the threads I'm reading around here I've already encountered dozens of name that should be in the Who's Who, like that whole bit about the Connally in-laws and etc). However at some point it might be useful to turn the automatic peer review on, and what happens in that case is, whenever a record gets modified, whichever group or person is responsible for that record gets notified. They get a little "to-do list" when they log in, showing what's been changed since the last login, and each user can choose whether to process the items on the list or ignore them (it's just a notification, however you can turn on the enforcement if you wish to "strictly enforce" peer review). That kind of thing.

So maybe, I should just show you, instead of typing all these words. Maybe build a "prototype", and then y'all could comment on it?

I would like to repeat though, that in terms of making this a real research tool, it's nothing something I can do myself. I can do the computer programming part of it, and I can even be a webmaster of sorts, but when it comes to JFK research I'm just a n00b, and the success of a good Who's Who would depend heavily on people such as yourselves who are much more advanced than I am. You know who these people are, I don't. I could browse through the historical threads here, looking for names, but I'm not savvy enough to know (yet) which names are important and which are just fluff. I don't want to load up a great research tool with fluff, I'd like some expert sets of eyes on this, some experienced researchers who can say, "this part was disproven by so-and-so in 1989", or, "you left out this piece of vital information".

And, I don't want to build an encyclopedia on the first pass, either. For instance - take a name like "Jack Ruby". You could writes books and books about the guy, but really, a short biography would be nice (with references to longer biographies, of which there are many), and then some bullet points with references. Jack Ruby owned the Carousel Club (reference). Jack Ruby is though to have been associated with the Mafia (reference). Jack Ruby shot Oswald (reference). Jack Ruby died of cancer while in jail awaiting a new trial (reference). It seems to me, that much is quite sufficient for a first pass. It could be approximately at the level of a Spartacus page, maybe with less text and more references.

Later on, as this thing grows, we can deal with the issue of content. The problem with links is they change, they go dead. At some point when enough people are thinking this is a useful research tool, then we could maybe discuss copying some content, with permissions as needed, and in cases where that's not possible we could annotate why.

Now - here is another helpful feature which I can toss into the mix. "Grouping" people. For instance - the Dallas Police Department, consists of... Curry, and Fritz, and Gannaway, and etc etc. Here's the list of all the people who witnessed the assassination. Here's a list of the people who saw the shooter. Here's a list of the cops at the TSBD. That kind of thing - arbitrary hierarchical and non-hierarchical groupings of people. (Not to worry, we can automatically check for circular groupings). It's a freebie, comes with the territory.

Aliases, are also included.

All this, I could prototype in a week, and I'm willing to do that, IF I can get a few of you to start using the tool. Which means, entering names that aren't already there - and of course updating existing records to your heart's content.

There's a lot of names already there - thousands. Most of the people commonly referenced in the literature are there, I'm pretty sure "all" the Warren Commission people are there, I had to enter Kenneth Croy myself so the reserve officers weren't there, but most of the rest of the DPD was already there... it's "not bad" in its existing state, but it's not ready for prime time either. But it COULD easily be ready for prime time in... say... three months? With a dozen people looking at the data and entering whatever names are missing?

There's some people here on this site who are very good with names! Peter Lemkin, you're one of them, you posted two posts in a row with about half a dozen names I'd never heard of before. Would you be willing to type a few of those names into the Who's Who, and briefly state why they're important?

If credit is important to you, for the work that you're doing, that can easily happen. I'll be more than happy to credit everyone who works on this, and I'll leave those credits in place and not make them disappear after a month. I'll fund and administer a web site if enough people think it's a good idea, but if no one's going to use the thing then it's hardly worth the effort. I'm trying to gauge interest... and it's totally okay if you don't want to participate in the data entry, in that case I'm still very interested in your opinion as to the concept, and whether you think such a free publicly accessible research site would be a helpful thing. The vision is specific: I'd like all 20,000 names under one roof, in one place, with a common method for searching and printing results. Then once that's done, we can talk about all the wonderful presentation graphics and how to lay out a Wiki and all that - but I would not wish to attempt a Wiki without something like this behind it - without a database you're looking at maintaining thousands of individual pages with individual references and tens of thousands of cross references and every time you want to alter a format you need to do it across all 20,000 pages. The better way is to have an engine that generates the Wiki page from the database record. It's easy, really it is. This way whenever you want to change the layout of the Wiki page, you can make one change in one place and it'll automatically ripple out to every Wiki page as it's being visited.

If I can get half a dozen people to say "okay, I'll add a few names", then I'll make the effort to bring up the web site. I'll fund it and administer it through the trial phase, until enough of you either say "this is good" or "this sucks, get rid of it". And then YOU can decide if you want me to keep administering it or if you want to turn the whole thing over to an "expert committee" or something. Is that fair enough?

[Tom Scully]

Brian,

What you have described reminds me of this.:
[URL="http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKindex.htm"]
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKindex.htm[/URL]

When I suggested that the project needed an update editor, I was met with the excuse that there were more than
11,000 people and topics (not only JFK related) and the author could not be expected to make updates of corrections.

Then he described my suggestions as an attack.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....ntry272183
Tom Scully - Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:02 AM

John, an edit suggestion submission.:
[URL="http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKjohnsonPR.htm"]
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKjohnsonPR.htm[/URL]
Priscilla Livingston Johnson was born in Glen Cove, New York, on 19th July, 1928....

Priscilla's name was Priscilla Mary Post Johnson
Priscilla Mary Post Johnson - History Matters

www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/.../WH11_PriscillaJohnson.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
just happens to be one place that it appeared. It probably appeared in other places too. (Priscilla Mary Post .Johnson Exhibit So. 3 was marked for identification.) ...

U.S., Consular Reports of Births, 1910-1949 > Alphabetical > Jamieson - Johnson
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2-1/2 years have passed and Priscilla's name is still mixed up in his article with the name of CIA's Tom McCoy's wife,
Priscilla Livingston Johnson McCoy, the name John Newman described as having a CIA file intermingled in 1956 with the file (2) of the person Simkin was trying to cover in his page. Ironically, Tom McCoy went to work for the "clean for Gene" McCarthy campaign in spring, 1968, and he shared this about his fellow campaign volunteer, the law partner of one of my favorites, Clark M. Clifford.:

http://johnsafer.com/library/articles.html#storie10

THOMAS D. FINNEY JR., A 'SUPERLAWYER,' DIES; Partner of ...

‎Washington Firm Gave Advice to Two Presidents and to High-Ranking Politicians Praised by Muskie 'Had Good Judgment' Father Also a Lawyer
New York Times - Feb 1, 1978
... Md. Mr. Finney, a partner of the law firm of Clifford, Glass, Mcllwain Finney, ... for the Democratic Presidential -Adlai E. Stevenson in 1960, Eugene J. McCarthy in ... 1952 to 1955, served with the Central' Intelligence. Agency in Copenhagen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...999_2.html

Thomas F. McCoy CIA officer, political consultant
5 December, 2009

Thomas F. McCoy, 91, a retired CIA officer who later had a long career as a political consultant, died Nov. 25 of heart disease at his home in Chevy Chase.
Mr. McCoy joined the CIA in 1951 and served as a political officer in Rome for six years in the 1950s. He had additional overseas assignments in Spain and Southeast Asia before he retired from the agency in 1968.
As a friend of Sen. Eugene J. McCarthy's (D-Minn.), Mr. McCoy joined his campaign for the 1968 Democratic presidential nomination and became national campaign co-chairman. He was primarily responsible for fundraising and campaign finance.
In 1969, Mr. McCoy opened Washington Information Associates, a political consulting firm with a specialty in fundraising. He worked on many national and statewide campaigns before his retirement in 1993. He was considered an expert on campaign finance and often testified before the Federal Election Commission.
Thomas Frederick McCoy was born in New Haven, Conn., and attended George Washington University. He served in the Army during World War II and was selected for the Office of Strategic Services, the wartime forerunner to the CIA. While serving in London, he met his future wife, another OSS employee.

After the war, he ran a frozen-foods business in Connecticut before moving to Washington to join the CIA. .......Survivors include his wife of 64 years, Priscilla Johnson McCoy of Chevy Chase; four children, ....

Here is Clark Clifford's aunt Marguerite's second husband, and he looked like he was enjoying himself in late 1964.: (1)

Marina, Jerome "Jerre" Allen Hasty aka Hastings

1940 U.S. Census snippet of a household in New Trier (Winnetka)Illinois:

Obituary 1 -- No Title
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdims Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67, of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr. McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ... three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite Borregaard.....

So that is one small example of an attempt at a master database. The author seems clueless as to why wikipedia "minders" refuse to accept his entire database as a reliable source, so he plays the victim.

Judging from my familiarity with that attempt, I am suggesting, only half in jest, that this might best be left to those randomly gifted with photographic minds.

David Davenport, mentioned in the following 1967 article, was the first cousin of Priscilla Johnson McMillan.:

Without Reservations: From Harlem to the End of the Santa ...
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Samuel B. Ballen - 2001 - ‎Snippet view
From Harlem to the End of the Santa Fe Trail Samuel B. Ballen. Lilienthal (no ... David Davenport was a former CIA man who had become disenchanted and was now semi-retired to his youthful locus of Santa Fe. He had remarried the ...
(page 10)
"...His career encompassed a number of fields, from intelligence to law to.....

(1) newspaperarchive.com › Home › Las Vegas Optic
... the plaintiff of buing mentally ill and recom mended that judicial proceedings ... pick Aliss McAdams further states in her complaint she up ran into the rear of.....

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and she was transported to the State Hospital at Las Vegas, where she was incarcerated from July 28, 1965 to August 15, 1965.
The Plaintiff states in her complaint that Dr. Bram-antl issued a false and malicious medical report "ac-cusing the plaintiff of being mentally ill," and recommended that "judicial proceedings be instituted against the plaintiff.
plaintiff Further the complaint states was held incommunicado five days was refused a lawyer which she had requested and that medication was forced on her against her will Leon the complaint says was induced by the other and conspired with them to trick the plaintiff into signing a voluntary commitment paper on Aug 12 A hearing was held before Judge James M Scar borough says without her knowledge or presence When she left hospital Aug 15 the release form stated die h been admitted lo the hospital on July 28 as n patient The woman stated in her complaint was not able to obtain legal counsel dial certain records and dockets wort missing thai James E Thomson gave her false and misleading information on the recommendation of Norman M assistant district attorney Finally when plaintiff went to the Grand Jury.....[/B]

(2) Oswald and the CIA: The Documented Truth Anout the Unknown ... - [B]Page 63
John Newman - 2008 - Preview

... Truth Anout the Unknown Relationship Between the U.S. Government and the Alleged Killer of JFK John Newman ... but the next sentence was extraordinary: "She was apparently born 23 September 1922 in Stockholm, Sweden, rather than ....

(I used the information provided by John Newman to find the document below proving that Priscilla Livingston Johnson was not Swedish.):

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