The Fiasco of Spartacus

[Dawn Meredith]

I didn't see that.

I don't go on those Harvey and Lee threads over there.

I do- to a degree- but it's painful to see the same evidence produced only to be argued against and /or ignored, so I just kind of speed read some of it.

[Jim Hargrove]

I didn't see that.

I don't go on those Harvey and Lee threads over there.

You're not missing much, if anything. I just waded into the mess because I got tired of seeing the results of endless, unchallenged attacks and misrepresentations of John's work showing up in Google search results. David Josephs slugged away there virtually single-handedly for eons, but no one person can keep up with it all.

Glad to see you're going after DVP and his rifle bs. Great work!

[Cliff Varnell]

I didn't see that.

I don't go on those Harvey and Lee threads over there.

You're not missing much, if anything. I just waded into the mess because I got tired of seeing the results of endless, unchallenged attacks and misrepresentations of John's work showing up in Google search results. David Josephs slugged away there virtually single-handedly for eons, but no one person can keep up with it all.

Glad to see you're going after DVP and his rifle bs. Great work!

Going back and forth with David Von Pein is pseudo debate.

DVP admits the clothing evidence is consistent with conspiracy.

Why bother with anything else?

[Jim Hargrove]

Yo, Cliff....

Last time we compared notes, we were debating whether the Pentagon or the FBI first declared "Case Closed" on "Oswald," which, if memory serves, was approaching a few minutes after "Oswald's" arrest. Any updates from your MIC side?

I'm thinking that... with a little more research... one or both of us can prove that either the MIC or the CIA/FBI/ONI closed the case SEVERAL SECONDS BEFORE the President was killed!

Call it a hunch! All the best....

[Joseph McBride]

J. Edgar Hoover wrote a memo for his eight top aides on November 22, 1963, at 4:01 p.m.
EST (3:01 in Dallas), saying, "I called the Attorney General [Robert Kennedy]
at his home and told him I thought we had the man who killed the President down
in Dallas at the present time. I stated the man's name is Lee Harvey Oswald . . ." (etc.)

There was also the announcement that afternoon
from the White House Situation Room (in charge of Kennedy's national
security adviser, McGeorge Bundy) to Johnson and other officials on Air Force One en route back to Dallas
that Oswald had acted alone.

[Drew Phipps]

That memo was written more than an hour and a half before the first line up, with Helen Markham. Brennan (the only witness putting Oswald in the window), if he really did attend a line up, wasn't even at the first one.

[Cliff Varnell]

Yo, Cliff....

Last time we compared notes, we were debating whether the Pentagon or the FBI first declared "Case Closed" on "Oswald," which, if memory serves, was approaching a few minutes after "Oswald's" arrest. Any updates from your MIC side?

I'm thinking that... with a little more research... one or both of us can prove that either the MIC or the CIA/FBI/ONI closed the case SEVERAL SECONDS BEFORE the President was killed!

Call it a hunch! All the best....

Hi Jim,

Looks to me like the Oswald-as-Lone-Nut was first promoted by McGeorge Bundy calling both AF1 and the cabinet plane to report that the lone assassin was in custody.

From The President Has Been Shot, by Charles Roberts (p. 141), who saw Bundy at Andrews when the plane arrived:
<quote on>
"I remember looking at (McGeorge) Bundy because I was wondering if he had any word of what had happened in the world while we were in transit, whether this assassination was part of a plot. And he told me later that what he reported to the president during that flight back was that the whole world was stunned, but there was no evidence of a conspiracy at all." <quote off>

From A Tale Told by Two Tapes, by Vincent Salandria:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....entry31073

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In November of 1966, I read Theodore H. White's The Making of the President, 1964...
[O]n page 33 I read the following about the flight back to Washington, D.C. from Dallas:

On the flight the party learned that there was no conspiracy, learned of the
identity of Oswald and his arrest; and the President's mind turned to the
duties of consoling the stricken and guiding the quick.

...* The Situation Room of the White House first fingered Oswald as the
lone assassin when an innocent government, with so much evidence
in Dealey Plaza of conspiracy, would have been keeping all options open.
Therefore this premature birth of the single-assassin myth points to the
highest institutional structure of our warfare state as guilty of the crime
of killing Kennedy. Such a source does not take orders from the Mafia
nor from renegade elements. But such a source is routinely given to
using the Mafia and supposedly out-of-control renegade sources to do
its bidding.

* McGeorge Bundy was in charge of the Situation Room and was spending
that fateful afternoon receiving phone calls from President Johnson, who
was calling from Air Force One when the lone-assassin myth was
prematurely given birth. (Bishop, Jim, The Day Kennedy Was Shot,
New York & Funk Wagnalls, 1968), p. 154) McGeorge Bundy as the
quintessential WASP establishmentarian did not take his orders from the
Mafia and/or renegade elements.
<quote off>

The rush to judgement wasn't restricted to Bundy, apparently.

Max Holland's The Assassination Tapes, pg 57:

<quote on>
At 6:55 p.m. Johnson has a ten minute meeting with Senator J. William Fulbright
and diplomat W. Averell Harriman to discuss possible foreign involvement in the
assassination, especially in light of the two-and-a-half-year sojourn of Lee Harvey
Oswald [in Russia]...Harriman, a U.S. ambassador to Moscow during WWII, is an
experienced interpreter of Soviet machinations and offers the president the
unanimous view of the U.S. government's top Kremlinologists. None of them
believe the Soviets have a hand in the assassination, despite the Oswald association.
<quote off>

The problem here is that there was no meeting of the USG's top Kremlinologists.

Other than Harriman, the USG's top Soviet hands were Charles Bohlen and George Kennan.

Bohlen, Amb. to France, was traveling that day; Kennan spent the day quietly mourning at Princeton.

McGeorge Bundy -- Skull & Bones 1940.

W. Averell Harriman -- Skull & Bones 1913.

[Tom Scully]

I didn' t like DVP calling me a clown.

Second, I got the impression that Davey was essentially browbeating the opposition down.

Therefore, I thought it was necessary for Spartacus to arrange a jail break.

Some of those new people are not familiar with the techniques Davey uses.

Jim, I think it might be time to stage an intervention..... yank you outta there.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketco...-read.html

Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System synthetic voice:
"Terrain terrain. Pull up. Pull up. Pull up. Pull up. Pull up. Pull up..."
Sullenberger: We're gonna brace! ......

You do not have to be concerned about "those new people." They are incurious and intend to make their own uninteresting, "JFK 101" mark, instead of reading what is already in the existing threads and building on it.:

I think this is representative of the newer members. Post before you read, post questions when answers are to be
easily found on their own initiative. Much too much, wheel reinvention.

Posted Yesterday, 08:12 PM
I know there have been multiple posts about George Bush and his potential involvement in JFK's assassination on this forum in the past, but I wanted to lay out a narrative similar to my post on Nixon & the JFK assassination. Like I said with Nixon, who was a clear beneficiary to the murder of the Kennedy brothers, the Bush Dynasty came to rise alongside the modern conservative movement and after (due to?) the fall of the Camelot. Consider the following:

George Herbert Walker Bush was born into a wealthy and powerful family, among them bankers and weapons contractors. George's father, Prescott Bush, was a Wall Street executive banker, lawyer, and Senator who was alleged to have helped finance Hitler's rise to power and during WWII, bankrolled both sides. He was also allegedly involved in the 1933 Business Plot in which wealthy businessmen conspired to overthrow the Roosevelt administration and set up a fascist government. An influential family, the Bushes socialized and did business with the likes of the Rockefellers, Harrimans, Lodges, and Dulles.

George Bush served in the Navy in WWII and upon his discharge attended Yale where he was a member of Skull & Bones. ......

Posted Yesterday, 09:17 PM

I thought the same thing, Ron. It's very out of character for the naming of secret missions.

A lot of websites (I think even Fletcher Prouty made this claim) discuss how the support ships were named Houston and Barbara J and how Bush had a habit of naming things, like his combat aircraft, after parts of his personal life. I'm very skeptical of this claim, but it would make sense then that Zapata had an ironic double-meaning for those in the know.

[R.K. Locke]

The most enervating part of reading the EF nowadays is having to scroll past endless, essay-length posts by that dingbat who is obsessed with General Walker. You've got to wonder where he finds the time.

[David Josephs]

The most enervating part of reading the EF nowadays is having to scroll past endless, essay-length posts by that dingbat who is obsessed with General Walker. You've got to wonder where he finds the time.

Yes indeed RK... PT over there is all speculation with a promise to find the supporting evidence in due time... yet it never seems to happen and he remains wrong on most every point he discusses.

As for Walker... we would be remiss not to assume he was involved in some way given the location and connections... But since corroborating evidence is very thing there... all he can do is guess.

Parker comes back and picks up where he left off claiming Gaal is hiding a lobotomy scar and spouting off Australian gibberish instead of recognizable insults...

I just posted a pretty good argument related to the FBI trying to hide the Marines who traveled with LEE as told by Daniel Powers... I did the same post here in the H&L thread...

They keep trying to discuss the little things and avoid the bigger conflicts supported by unassailable evidence of the conspiracy...

Parker will now argue about the TX driver's license application versus license itself for days just to sidetrack any real discussion...

And this is the man writing books on Lee Harvey Oswald which we are supposed to accept as anything but the same unsourced garbage he posts...

I surely hope I can get all the Chapters of my Evidence IS the Conspiracy done soon...
I don't know that anyone has compiled a book that details how the Evidence was assembled to establilsh and perpetuate the conspiracy and cover-up.

The Rifle evidence alone is amazingly complex and reeks of duplicity... I know I've been promising it for a while - I am close... but life gets in the way

DJ