I call this topic "Standing my Ground"

[Scott Kaiser]

I'm done with this guy, I'm sure there are other superior human beings compared to Tom who understand what I'm saying, in the meantime, I'll be waiting on the actual letter written and signed by JKG.

[Magda Hassan]

We're waiting for your primary sources signed by Senator Mansfield.

[Tom Scully]

Here we go again! When I ask for a reference next time please don't give me books, I prefer minute meetings or FOIA documents that can explain everything a little more clearer. ....

Can anyone figure out what Scott wants? I am having difficulty understanding what he is asking for. I think he changed the
rules when he received what he demanded. That is not very nice!

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Tom, tell you what, and I'll make this a bit more interesting for you, if within your next post you can provide me the actual letter, I will bare my assets in the middle in downtown San Antonio and post it on Facebook. Deal?

I've posted this three times already, Scott....(slaps my fore.....) It is a cable..... all communication to JFK from Ambassadors in Asia is by cable....no letterhead, no stationary, no signature !!!! Dated November 20, 1963... traveled from Washington, D.C. to Saigon, after three days in Saigon, sent this cable on November 20 , to CIA and on to JFK:

Primary Source, Scott :.pdf pgs 435, 439 second link below, found at first link.... [size=12]archives.gov, hence a primary source. Is an interpreter available to assist you?[/SIZE]

https://www.archives.gov/research/pentagon-papers/ -
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...or is this a li'l easier....clickable images of same pages (Letters sent as two, multi-page cables, dated November 20 and 21, 1961, Galbraith to JFK), FROM A NEAR PRIMARY SOURCE:
https://www.fold3.com/image/1/271155276
(The image below is presented as a preview of the interface to view the documents (435 and 439) described above that you pretend to be interested in viewing. You still have to click the link directly above to access the fold3.com page your ownself!)
...............................To view the format as visible in this image, click on Pentagon Papers, (top, left of Page 447) after clicking on link above.:

[Scott Kaiser]

Tom, can you make you letters a bit smaller, I'm not quit sure where they begin or end. You may also get yelled at by someone here. When I say, "I prefer minute meetings or FOIA documents that can explain everything a little more clearer. ...." I'm pretty much referring to my work. But, I see you're going with the old bait and switch, and you still can't provide the "actual letter" can you, well Tom, I suppose you won't get to see me bare my assets on Facebook either. Good night Tom.

[Tom Scully]

Tom, can you make you letters a bit smaller, I'm not quit sure where they begin or end. You may also get yelled at by someone here. When I say, "I prefer minute meetings or FOIA documents that can explain everything a little more clearer. ...." I'm pretty much referring to my work. But, I see you're going with the old bait and switch, and you still can't provide the "actual letter" can you, well Tom, I suppose you won't get to see me bare my assets on Facebook either. Good night Tom.

One criteria for you Scott,

Tom, can you make you letters a bit smaller, I'm not quit sure where they begin or end. You may also get yelled at by someone here. When I say, "I prefer minute meetings or FOIA documents that can explain everything a little more clearer. ...." I'm pretty much referring to my work....

...and an incoherent / unintelligible criteria demanded of everyone else? Is that the way the cookie crumbles, Scott? If you had laid that demand
out at the start, I would have ignored you. The only thing I've accomplished now is a much higher probability that no one will ever buy a book that has your name on the cover.

[Jim DiEugenio]

Isn't it incredible how this guy has now become an authority on Kennedy and Vietnam? I mean how?

And he gets to move the goal posts at his convenience? To set his own rules.

And man like no one ever wrote about Mansfield before? I mean that is pretty old stuff.

So what has this guy done?

It seems to me that he wants to make the JFK case about him.

[Scott Kaiser]

Isn't it incredible how this guy has now become an authority on Kennedy and Vietnam? I mean how?

And he gets to move the goal posts at his convenience? To set his own rules.

And man like no one ver wrote about Mansfield before? I mean that is pretty old stuff.

So what has this guy done?

It seems to me that he wants to make the JFK case about him.

1. Some of my argument has been that Mansfield's report to Kennedy was the report that Kennedy took into consideration for "troop withdrawal" this has been argued by Jim and Greg that it was JKG's report.

2. It is also public knowledge that Kennedy did NOT want Mansfield to go on public record and discuss the events surrounding Vietnam why would JKG?

3. If all you're going to do is publish books, well, I have one for you too.

4. Last paragraph p. 125

https://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6Xr...dy&f=false

[Scott Kaiser]

James DiEugenio, on 03 Mar 2016 - 2:17 PM, said:


Galbraith is not talking about the assassination, and he was never really all that interested in that.

His father, if you don't know, was John K. Galbraith, who was a key part of JFK's administration.

When, in 1961. everyone in Kennedy's White House wanted him to commit combat troops to Vietnam, JFK declined and only sent advisors. But right around this time, within a few weeks, he sent JKG to Saigon to give him a report and recommendation. JKG came back and told him it had no possibility of success, it was a hopeless quagmire and he should cut his losses.

Kennedy told JKG to meet with McNamara and give him the results of his report. And from then on in, Kennedy had McNamara play the role of the man who wanted us to get out of Vietnam in the internal debates.

This was all disguised, attenuated, neutered afterwards because of LBJ's insistence that it all be changed and covered up by saying he really did not do anything different than Kennedy did, which was a lie and LBJ knew it was a lie. But McNamara went along with it. Until finally he resigned in 1967--after Salinger, Ball, Bundy and McCone all had left.

When John Newman's book, JFK and Vietnam came out, Jamie Galbraith decided to go public with what his father told him about the whole JFK/RSN/JKG triangle which came to fruition in October of 1963 with NSAM 263 and McNamara's reports to the press that the withdrawal program would be beginning soon with a thousand man increment.

Jamie Galbraith made a key contribution to an important book on this subject, James Blight's Virtual JFK. In which, for the first time, a sizable group of historians and scholars--after a two day debate-- decided that Kennedy was going to withdraw from Vietnam. And as Gordon Goldstein later wrote in his fine book Lessons in Disaster,there was no change made in policy after the death of Diem.

IMO, Jamie Galbraith's contribution to this paradigm shift is large.

Scott Kaiser Posted 04 March 2016 - 02:03 AM Jim, this is partially true, but it was Senator Mansfield who Kennedy sent to Vietnam and who reported back to Kennedy what the Diem brother's were doing with the money the United States gave them, it was during the few months of culmination that plan plots to exit the Diem brother's out of Vietnam

If JKG did go to Vietnam it was in 1961, and that's (if), Mansfield's report was given to the president December 2, 1962, it was his report that Kennedy decided to pull troops out, this was our primary initial argument. I would think that the latter would superseded.

The END!

[Scott Kaiser]

Scott Kaiser Posted 04 March 2016 - 08:16 PM and Kennedy was willing to aside with Senator Mansfield who I keep referring too who opposed the war

My argument in the beginning was the report from Mansfield which was more widely accepted by Kennedy for troop withdrawal.

[Tom Scully]

If JKG did go to Vietnam it was in 1961, and that's (if), .......

"If," what?