Hillary Clinton is dishonest and robotic, her friend Neera Tanden wrote in an email to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta in August 2015. In the email exchange, published by WikiLeaks on Friday, Tanden wrote that Hillary "often says she absolutely won't do something and then does it." It is not clear from the context of the email what specifically Tanden was referring to. Tanden, president of the left-wing think tank Center for American Progress, urged Podesta to "stay on her" and "lock her in," because if he did, "eventually [Hillary] will sound like a human."
The WikiLeaks emails reveal that Tanden was a frequent critic of Clinton and her campaign aides, complaining at times that the candidate came off as "politically craven at best or a liar at worst."
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
R.K. Locke Wrote:Nobody is defending Trump. He's terrible. But this thread isn't about him, so I'm not going to continue to engage you on the subject.
Agreed.
It is a peculiarity of our time that America has reached the stage of its political "development" that the only two people standing in the race for power are both utterly reprehensible and crooked beyond belief.
There is clear evidence that Trump has organized crime connections - besides other seamy matters. Hilary meanwhile, is taking money from a foreign government where corrupt practises, cruelty, and the most abject form of misogyny are the pillars of life.
Way to go America. That's the best presidential candidates you've got for what you amusingly call "high office".
So let's tangle this poisoned recipe up some more shall we? I know just how. Let's fight each other over which of the damned candidate we root for.
However, to do that it is essential that we ignore the schizophrenic thinking that motivates this craziness in us --- one candidate is good, the other bad. The old Hollywood white hat versus the black hat. Simple is as simple does. Why change something that continues to work?
As I keep saying, common sense and intelligence has fled.
The world looks on in astonishment.
Well said.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.â€
― Leo Tolstoy,
This guy isn't always the most reliable, but a lot of people are reporting similar things:
It appears to relate to some of the things Anthony Thorne mentioned in the Core of Corruption thread. The whole spectacle is just crazy.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.â€
― Leo Tolstoy,
Let's add big oil to Clinton's many elite supporters. The others include the Neocons, Wall Street, the US elite ("wealth" obviously) and the foreign policy establishment who see war as the only means to sustain the American hegemon in a changing world.
And yet she's not standing as a republican candidate -- despite representing all their traditional selfish values.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
David Guyatt Wrote:Turns out Hilary is far more crooked than sick...
[video]https://www.rt.com/news/365299-assange-pilger-saudi-clinton/#.WBxX8JVTZWg.facebook[/video]. The main video of this interview will be aired tomorrow exclusively on RT. Watch that space.
John Pilger can be forgiven for his shock.
Hilarious!
How long has the US of A provided arms to Saudi Arabia?
Decades and decades.
How long have the Saudis and their Gulf allies financed extremist groups like Al Q and ISIS?
Decades and decades.
But the Clinton Deranged think it all started with Hillary and the Clinton Foundation?
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As usual Cliff, you designedly miss the central point that Assange and Pilger made --- utterly blinded as you are by your singular hard-wired partisan perspective.
The USA arms the Saudis. Check.
The Saudis arm Al Q and ISIS. Check.
Care to break out of your own hard-wired partisan perspective and tell me what I'm missing?
David Guyatt Wrote:Turns out Hilary is far more crooked than sick...
[video]https://www.rt.com/news/365299-assange-pilger-saudi-clinton/#.WBxX8JVTZWg.facebook[/video]. The main video of this interview will be aired tomorrow exclusively on RT. Watch that space.
John Pilger can be forgiven for his shock.
Hilarious!
How long has the US of A provided arms to Saudi Arabia?
Decades and decades.
How long have the Saudis and their Gulf allies financed extremist groups like Al Q and ISIS?
Decades and decades.
But the Clinton Deranged think it all started with Hillary and the Clinton Foundation?
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As usual Cliff, you designedly miss the central point that Assange and Pilger made --- utterly blinded as you are by your singular hard-wired partisan perspective.
The USA arms the Saudis. Check.
The Saudis arm Al Q and ISIS. Check.
Care to break out of your own hard-wired partisan perspective and tell me what I'm missing?
Let me take that little laughing jester you placed above and put it here:
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You are aware that I'm English and can't vote in America aren't you, Cliff? You are aware that I find both both parties equally bloody awful, both wholly, bought and paid for liars, cheats and crooks who only represent the interests of the 1% and big business?
You are aware - because I've stated it a number of times - that I have refused to vote in political elections for the best part of 40 years over here in Blighty. The reason is that here in the UK we are likewise beset by crooked and wholly reprehensible politicians who only represent the values of the 1% and big business.
Why would I want to vote for people like that? Doing so would pollute and contaminate me.
My only choice is to not vote as a protest. I'm saying to them the only thing I can say: I won't play in your rigged game. I see through it for what it is.
So where's my partisan perspective, Cliff?
Other than detesting them all equally for befouling and soiling public office for private gain.
A moral compass is what you might be missing, I think.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
While not allowed in all voting jurisdictions, I think the best way to register a 'vote of disgust' is to either vote for minor party candidates or to vote for none of the above or a write in candidate that is real or fictional. If one stays home, they can and do interpret this as political dis-interest rather than disgust [more often the case].
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
How long has the US of A provided arms to Saudi Arabia?
Decades and decades.
How long have the Saudis and their Gulf allies financed extremist groups like Al Q and ISIS?
Decades and decades.
But the Clinton Deranged think it all started with Hillary and the Clinton Foundation?
::
As usual Cliff, you designedly miss the central point that Assange and Pilger made --- utterly blinded as you are by your singular hard-wired partisan perspective.
The USA arms the Saudis. Check.
The Saudis arm Al Q and ISIS. Check.
Care to break out of your own hard-wired partisan perspective and tell me what I'm missing?
Let me take that little laughing jester you placed above and put it here:
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You are aware that I'm English and can't vote in America aren't you, Cliff?
So?
You are aware that I find both both parties equally bloody awful, both wholly, bought and paid for liars, cheats and crooks who only represent the interests of the 1% and big business?
I'm aware of all the hackneyed cliches about American politics, yes.
You are aware - because I've stated it a number of times - that I have refused to vote in political elections for the best part of 40 years over here in Blighty. The reason is that here in the UK we are likewise beset by crooked and wholly reprehensible politicians who only represent the values of the 1% and big business.
False equivalencies are to be rejected as readily as false dichotomies.
Here in America if the Democratic grass roots put enough pressure on the corporate Democrats we can get policies that benefit us.
When the grass roots relax the corporatists obey their masters.
We didn't relax on net neutrality, and now its the law.
When Republicans are in power they answer to a different base of folks who have a different agenda which the Dem base finds repugnant.
Why would I want to vote for people like that? Doing so would pollute and contaminate me.
My only choice is to not vote as a protest. I'm saying to them the only thing I can say: I won't play in your rigged game. I see through it for what it is.
So where's my partisan perspective, Cliff?
You've been openly rooting for Trump, sir.
You can't tell the difference between a corporate technocat and a wanna be fascist autocrat?
Other than detesting them all equally for befouling and soiling public office for private gain.
A moral compass is what you might be missing, I think.
I would be very careful about what you are saying here Cliff. Just because David is not a cheer leader for the Goldman Girl Clinton this does not make him pro fascist at all. David (and his family before him for that matter) has a long established and honourable history of anti fascist activity. He has not been openly or secretly 'rooting' for Trump and I find it hard to see how you come to that position. Clinton might be just a corporate technocrat to you but some of us are wondering if that is just her public position. She seems pretty comfortable with fascists. No one here is under any illusions about Trump least of all David. But some have illusions about Ms Libya TPP and are holding out for 'Hope and Change' ™ ® but we've all been there and done that. The road to fascism. How do you think we got here in the first place?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx
"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.
“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Magda Hassan Wrote:I would be very careful about what you are saying here Cliff. Just because David is not a cheer leader for the Goldman Girl Clinton this does not make him pro fascist at all. David (and his family before him for that matter) has a long established and honourable history of anti fascist activity. He has not been openly or secretly 'rooting' for Trump and I find it hard to see how you come to that position. Clinton might be just a corporate technocrat to you but some of us are wondering if that is just her public position. She seems pretty comfortable with fascists. No one here is under any illusions about Trump least of all David. But some have illusions about Ms Libya TPP and are holding out for 'Hope and Change' ™ ® but we've all been there and done that. The road to fascism. How do you think we got here in the first place?
Fair enough, Magda.
But just because I will do what I can to stop an emotionally damaged neo-fascist -- even if it means supporting Hillary Clinton -- doesn't mean I lack a moral compass.
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