Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

[LR Trotter]

Testimony of James"Junior"Jarman:


http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jarman.htm

[LR Trotter]

Brief Recap:

*No one, not a single soul, corroborates Truly's tale about his presence on the backstairs with Baker.

Even a rolled die has to land on 1 of 6 outcomes…yet the tall-tale about a phantom 2nd floor encounter tanks altogether…again, for emphasis, no one, not a single soul corroborates these two together anywhere along those backstairs (bottom to top, first floor all the way up to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP]).

*Moreover, the only other person-besides the tumbling-tandem, who places the wrongly accused on the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor outright LIED about it. Mrs. Reid lied to enhance their initial lie.

*Baker's same day affidavit runs contrary to the next day hastily contrived scripting.

*Baker did not recognize the wrongly accused, who sat within a few feet of him in the same room, as the individual he previously encountered earlier that afternoon.

*The identity of the white-helmeted motorcycle officer who arrived on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor via the West elevator remains unknown. Who was/is this man?

*The roof was Locked when Deputy-Sheriff John Wiseman attempted to gain access. Why was it Locked IF two people just came down from the roof, where they stayed for, quote, "over 5 minutes".

*Truly was 56 years old on the afternoon he claims he ran up five flights of stairs, and climbed into a moldy, dusty and damped crawl space to ladder himself upwards to the roof, yet appears in photos less than 10 minutes later in a clean white shirt void of any residue of perspiration, ruffling, cobwebs, dirt/grime, etc. Even his hat is void of evidence of at least one drop onto the stairs as he frantically charged up them...or while in the small crawl space as he twist, turned, wrestled with the key to the Locked roof on his way up and/or down...

*Holmes corroborates the wrongly accused telling his interrogators about a first-floor encounter on his way out the front entrance of the building, where he was stopped by a police officer, however, his Superintendent (Truly) vouched for him, quote, "whereupon he was allowed to walk out and down the steps".

*Furthermore, corroborating the above, there's this revelation by James "Junior" Jarman ---->

"Well, there was a billy love lady standing out there, he was on the
steps, see... And, Oswald was coming out the door and he (Lovelady,
S.M.) said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the
building, billy love lady said that Mr. Trudy (sic) told the policeman
that Oswald was alright, that he worked there, so Oswald walked on
down the stairs."

So, IF superintendent Truly IS on the backstairs charging up five flights of stairs avoiding perspiration, ruffling, etc. on his pristine white sheet, and the wrongly accused was long gone before Truly came down from a Locked roof, after spending "over 5 minutes" atop it, it seems Mrs. Reid and now Roy Truly are the president and vice-president of the "We Can Be In Two Places All At Once Club"…riight!!!!!

A legion of lies, discussions off the record and a hastily contrived script that continues to unravel.
Once again, No one, not a single soul, corroborates Truly's tale about his presence on the backstairs with Baker ----->

Even a rolled die has to land on 1 of 6 possible outcomes…yet the tall-tale about a phantom 2nd floor encounter tanks altogether…

again, for emphasis, no one, not a single soul corroborates these two together anywhere along those backstairs (bottom to top, first floor all the way up to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP]).

Well, Mrs. Reid tried but Mrs. Reid Lied...

According to various reliable evidence, including multiple eyewitness sworn statements, and testimony, it appears as though we find repeated, and repeated, assertions beyond fact. And, when an eyewitness/participant account differs with an assertion beyond fact, the response is that the eyewitness/participant lied.
There are many links, on this thread, to eyewitness and/or participant statements/testimony that tends to offer different accounts of events related to the JFK Assassination, than the often repeated assertions presented in this post.
Anyone interested should read those eyewitness statements and/or testimony, and then decide what is factual, as well as what is false.

[Alan Ford]

Speaking of facts...

*No one corroborates Truly & Baker's tale about being together on the backstairs. No one. Very telling that no one has demonstrated otherwise. They can't...they have nothing.

*Mrs. Reid tried, but she lied. That's an irrefutable fact. No one can be in two places all at once.

*Same day reports matter when details are still fresh in one's mind. Baker didn't recognize the wrongly accused, let alone describe him as the MUCH heavier and older individual he actually encountered on the same day.

*The roof was Locked.

*To date, the white helmeted motorcycle policeman arriving upon the 5th floor via the West elevator has not been identified. Who was/is this person?

*Truly cannot be with Baker running along the backstairs while he is stationed in front of the building vouching for the wrongly accused.

*No one heard Truly call up for an elevator...no one. Four people were stationed near that echo chamber, yet no one heard a voice they all were very familiar with.

*Baker needed 4 tries to get a singular event down pat.

The above facts are too challenging for some people to address, let alone admit. Say, Mrs. Reid, you got a second?

[LR Trotter]

Testimony of TSBD BuildingSuperintendent RoySansomTruly:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/truly1.htm


​Testimony of DPD MotorcyclePatrolOfficer MarrionLewisBaker:

.http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/baker_m1.htm

[LR Trotter]

Speaking of facts...

*No one corroborates Truly & Baker's tale about being together on the backstairs. No one. Very telling that no one has demonstrated otherwise. They can't...they have nothing.

*Mrs. Reid tried, but she lied. That's an irrefutable fact. No one can be in two places all at once.

*Same day reports matter when details are still fresh in one's mind. Baker didn't recognize the wrongly accused, let alone describe him as the MUCH heavier and older individual he actually encountered on the same day.

*The roof was Locked.

*To date, the white helmeted motorcycle policeman arriving upon the 5th floor via the West elevator has not been identified. Who was/is this person?

*Truly cannot be with Baker running along the backstairs while he is stationed in front of the building vouching for the wrongly accused.

*No one heard Truly call up for an elevator...no one. Four people were stationed near that echo chamber, yet no one heard a voice they all were very familiar with.

*Baker needed 4 tries to get a singular event down pat.

The above facts are too challenging for some people to address, let alone admit. Say, Mrs. Reid, you got a second?

These assertions, no matter how often repeated, are void of reliable evidence.

[Alan Ford]

*How did Truly & Baker gain access to a Locked roof?

Did Bakeremployed elsewhere-- have a key? Riight!
Highly doubtful, unless he was moonlighting as janitor Eddie Piper's replacement on occasion.

Did Truly have a key? Given his high-profile position, more and likely; however, Wouldn't that particular key-one void of everyday use--be stored in a cabinet downstairs in his first floor office for safe keeping?

*The white helmeted motorcycle policeman who arrived up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor via the West elevator after Jack Dougherty took it down to the first floor, Who was/is this individual?

Why doesn't this particular white helmeted motorcycle officer encounter Truly & Baker together in an area he occupies at the same time they claim to be there?

*How could Truly be downstairs at the front entrance vouching for the wrongly accused, according to Holmes, James "Junior" Jarman, and Billy Lovelady, yet be charging up the backstairs with Baker amid an extended 5 minute stay up on the roof? Because he didn't have time to ask them to cover his tracks/role in a hastily contrived script.

*Why did Mrs. Reid outright lie about a phantom encounter on the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor with the wrongly accused?

*Was her lie needed to overcome the fact that no one elsea total of seven people-- sharing the same space sequentially with Truly & Baker's claim to the same space actually encounter them? What are the odds?

*For an individual hell-bent on getting all the way up to the roof, as he claims, Why did Baker suddenly develop eyes in the back of his head to see something behind him over his right shoulder?

*Speaking of Baker, he did not recognize the wrongly accused during his same day observations and reporting, as he actually encountered someone MUCH heavier and years older?

What follows the next day after the fact is a hastily contrived script, enhanced by an outright lie by Mrs. Reid.

And now, comes this curious exchange ---->

Mr. DULLES - And if a man were going up the stairs and then going to the lunchroom and then coming down the stairs and going to the lunchroom, he would be approximately following the same course from the time he got off the stairs and went into that room before you get to the lunchroom.
Mr. BELIN - Yes, sir.
(Discussion off the record.)

Wrong! On the contrary, Mr. Belin, hold your horses right there mister. Coming up the stairs demands a right turn; and, conversely, coming down the stairs demands a left turn. And since it would have been much easier to believe Baker would have caught a glimpse of something coming down the stairs as oppose to running up them and bearing leftward & away, Deceptive-Dulles was simply doing what he does best, making even the Serpent in the Garden of Eden blush, giving the impression that Baker's field of vision generally would be the same. Wrong again, AWD.

A hastily contrived script amid a legion of lies nursed by Mrs. Reid. And yet another, (Discussion off the record.) Amazing what some people will do/say for thirty pieces of silver.

[LR Trotter]

*How did Truly & Baker gain access to a Locked roof?

Did Bakeremployed elsewhere-- have a key? Riight!
Highly doubtful, unless he was moonlighting as janitor Eddie Piper's replacement on occasion.

Did Truly have a key? Given his high-profile position, more and likely; however, Wouldn't that particular key-one void of everyday use--be stored in a cabinet downstairs in his first floor office for safe keeping?

*The white helmeted motorcycle policeman who arrived up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor via the West elevator after Jack Dougherty took it down to the first floor, Who was/is this individual?

Why doesn't this particular white helmeted motorcycle officer encounter Truly & Baker together in an area he occupies at the same time they claim to be there?

*How could Truly be downstairs at the front entrance vouching for the wrongly accused, according to Holmes, James "Junior" Jarman, and Billy Lovelady, yet be charging up the backstairs with Baker amid an extended 5 minute stay up on the roof? Because he didn't have time to ask them to cover his tracks/role in a hastily contrived script.

*Why did Mrs. Reid outright lie about a phantom encounter on the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor with the wrongly accused?

*Was her lie needed to overcome the fact that no one elsea total of seven people-- sharing the same space sequentially with Truly & Baker's claim to the same space actually encounter them? What are the odds?

*For an individual hell-bent on getting all the way up to the roof, as he claims, Why did Baker suddenly develop eyes in the back of his head to see something behind him over his right shoulder?

*Speaking of Baker, he did not recognize the wrongly accused during his same day observations and reporting, as he actually encountered someone MUCH heavier and years older?

What follows the next day after the fact is a hastily contrived script, enhanced by an outright lie by Mrs. Reid.

And now, comes this curious exchange ---->

Mr. DULLES - And if a man were going up the stairs and then going to the lunchroom and then coming down the stairs and going to the lunchroom, he would be approximately following the same course from the time he got off the stairs and went into that room before you get to the lunchroom.
Mr. BELIN - Yes, sir.
(Discussion off the record.)

Wrong! On the contrary, Mr. Belin, hold your horses right there mister. Coming up the stairs demands a right turn; and, conversely, coming down the stairs demands a left turn. And since it would have been much easier to believe Baker would have caught a glimpse of something coming down the stairs as oppose to running up them and bearing leftward & away, Deceptive-Dulles was simply doing what he does best, making even the Serpent in the Garden of Eden blush, giving the impression that Baker's field of vision generally would be the same. Wrong again, AWD.

A hastily contrived script amid a legion of lies nursed by Mrs. Reid. And yet another, (Discussion off the record.) Amazing what some people will do/say for thirty pieces of silver.

These assertions seem to be "a version of events" that well established sworn statements and testimony, accessible online, by eyewitnesses and participants contradict. And regardless how often repeated, assertions that lack reliable evidence as proof.

[Alan Ford]

Given the following testimony by Billy Nolan Lovelady, a policeman and Roy Truly didn't enter the building until well after 3 minutes, which runs contrary to what the backstairs-duo testified to in their respective testimonies. Take it away, Billy ---->

Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately 3 minutes, I would say.
Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, it's---I say approximately; I can't say because I don't have a watch; it could.
Mr. BALL - Had people started to run?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps.
Mr. BALL - Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

Compared to ---->

Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

Interesting that Lovelady doesn't describe a distinctive white helmeted "motorcycle officer" accompanying Truly, using instead a generic term of a mere policeman who enters the building with Truly some three minutes later than what the backstairs duo claim.

Reconstructing a sense of reality, amid a hastily contrived script laced with lies...sorting through all of Truly & Baker's inconsistencies, many discussions off the record, etc., amid a hastily contrived script to FRAME an innocent party isn't easy.

A Locked roof…

… not even a single soul sharing the same space sequentially (0-7) corroborates the hole-in-ones, and that BIG fish that get away that the backstairs duo manage to experience when no one else is around;

…and, of course, that glaringly obvious LIE told by Mrs. Reid about a phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter with the wrongly accused.

Given Lovelady's testimony, where Baker is sprinting well ahead of the three minutes it took for Billy Lovelady to leave the steps, it opens the strong possibility that the sprinting Baker simply sprinted from his bike, over to the corner of Elm & Houston and, subsequently, down Houston to the rear entrance…because in his own words Billy didn't see a policeman enter until after he left the steps and looked back in that direction some, quote, "Twenty, 25" steps away.

The identity of the white helmeted motorcycle policeman arriving up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor via the West elevator remains unknown to date. Just who was/is that particular motorcycle policeman?

My wager is it is Baker himself, given the timely manner Jack Dougherty brought it down to the first floor, and Bonnie Ray Williams' subsequent eyewitness of that same elevator arriving back up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor, with a white helmeted motorcycle officer aboard no less.

Why was Truly so certain anyone was missing in a seven story building?

Maybe in a one room schoolhouse perhaps, but certainly raising more than a few eyebrows in a seven story building. Why did he set his main focus upon only one single individual when others weren't yet accounted for either?

For the very same reason why Mrs. Reid outright lied about a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused…

they had a hastily contrived script amid a legion of lies to follow.

[LR Trotter]

Given the following testimony by Billy Nolan Lovelady, a policeman and Roy Truly didn't enter the building until well after 3 minutes, which runs contrary to what the backstairs-duo testified to in their respective testimonies. Take it away, Billy ---->

Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately 3 minutes, I would say.
Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, it's---I say approximately; I can't say because I don't have a watch; it could.
Mr. BALL - Had people started to run?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps.
Mr. BALL - Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

Compared to ---->

Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

Interesting that Lovelady doesn't describe a distinctive white helmeted "motorcycle officer" accompanying Truly, using instead a generic term of a mere policeman who enters the building with Truly some three minutes later than what the backstairs duo claim.

Reconstructing a sense of reality, amid a hastily contrived script laced with lies...sorting through all of Truly & Baker's inconsistencies, many discussions off the record, etc., amid a hastily contrived script to FRAME an innocent party isn't easy.

A Locked roof…

… not even a single soul sharing the same space sequentially (0-7) corroborates the hole-in-ones, and that BIG fish that get away that the backstairs duo manage to experience when no one else is around;

…and, of course, that glaringly obvious LIE told by Mrs. Reid about a phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter with the wrongly accused.

Given Lovelady's testimony, where Baker is sprinting well ahead of the three minutes it took for Billy Lovelady to leave the steps, it opens the strong possibility that the sprinting Baker simply sprinted from his bike, over to the corner of Elm & Houston and, subsequently, down Houston to the rear entrance…because in his own words Billy didn't see a policeman enter until after he left the steps and looked back in that direction some, quote, "Twenty, 25" steps away.

The identity of the white helmeted motorcycle policeman arriving up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor via the West elevator remains unknown to date. Just who was/is that particular motorcycle policeman?

My wager is it is Baker himself, given the timely manner Jack Dougherty brought it down to the first floor, and Bonnie Ray Williams' subsequent eyewitness of that same elevator arriving back up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor, with a white helmeted motorcycle officer aboard no less.

Why was Truly so certain anyone was missing in a seven story building?

Maybe in a one room schoolhouse perhaps, but certainly raising more than a few eyebrows in a seven story building. Why did he set his main focus upon only one single individual when others weren't yet accounted for either?

For the very same reason why Mrs. Reid outright lied about a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused…

they had a hastily contrived script amid a legion of lies to follow.

Unlike comments by some posters, regarding nonconforming eyewitness testimony, I will not indicate a belief that BillyNolanLovelady lied in his testimony about the timing of events just after the DealeyPlaza shooting that fatally wounded JFK, Sr and critically wounded JBC, Jr. I do believe, in at least some testimony, he misjudged, and/or misremembered said timing. To believe that the TSBD landing and steps occupants stayed there, dumbfounded, for 3 minutes after the shooting is beyond believable. And, it is not corroborated by other eyewitness and investigator testimony.

There are links, on this thread, to testimony, under oath, of many eyewitnesses of the events occurring in and around the TSBD near the time of the assassination. And, conflicting testimony exists to disprove many expressed assertions, as seen on this thread.

The 2nd floor lunchroom encounter, at about 12:31:15pm/12:31:30pm CST on 11/22/'63, at the TSBD, is not a hoax/phantom event, and there is sufficient reliable evidence to conclude that it happened as described. And, repeating assertions void of evidence cannot change a fact.

[Alan Ford]

Unable to secure even one of seven legitimate, honest opportunities (0-7) to corroborate their hastily contrived next day script, Truly & Baker turned to Mrs. Reid to rescue their blatant lie hanging in limbo about a phantom encounter with the wrongly accused…

For whatever reason, she comes to their rescue. However, while she is suppose to be upstairs encountering the wrongly accusedas she claims within her own testimonythe following photo in that same time sequence places Mrs. Reid nowhere near the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor, let alone encountering the wrongly accused…here she is clearly downstairs & out in front of the building instead ----->


Photo Credit: sharp researcher Linda Zambeni (SP)

OOPS!

Now, with that glaringly obvious lie firmly established, let's move on to yet another lie, involving yet again Roy Truly (no great surprise considering the "reliable" source).

In his testimony, Truly says he is the sole individual who is the first initially to recognize the wrongly accused was "missing" ----->

Mr. BELIN. Then what?
Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes--it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that--I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth.
There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys.
So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there.
First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell--I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no.
Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom?
Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no.
So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not."

Yet, contrary to Truly's latest lie amid a hastily contrived script (Are you blushing, Pinocchio?), let's take a look/read @ Bill Shelley's same day affidavit ----->




OOPS again, Roy Truly, no matter who you enlist to FRAME an innocent party, your one lie creates a legion of lies to follow. IF your testimony was truthful, Shelley's same day affidavit should have read how you brought to his attention the wrongly accused was missing, not the other way around.

The problem with a hastily contrived next day script is it runs counter to the plain simple truth, which is so much easier to recall.

Enlisting another liar, Mrs. Reid, to vouch for a blatant lie already being parroted about by two others about a phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter with the wrongly accused wasn't enough…so, Trulyin predictable fashionin his haste to FRAME an innocent human being, fails once again to be mindful of the small, yet all important details, a detail miserably missed in Mrs. Reid's outright lie, and, now conveyed in a same day affidavit written by the genuine individual who noticed the wrongly accused "missing".

How anyone could determine anyone was "missing" in a seven story building is quite telling of a pre-determined outcome/script.

Now, as this legion of lies continue to unravel, don't be surprised to come to the conclusionif those of you reading along haven't done so alreadythat Truly & Baker weren't immediately tied together at the hip during the immediate aftermath of the assassination.

Who was/is the white helmeted motorcycle officer who took the West elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor?, the same West elevator Jack Dougherty came down to the first floor on…

Why was access to the roof Locked?, when Sheriff Wiseman--in the same time sequence as Truly & Baker testified they were up there for, quote, "over 5 minutes" ?

Why did Mrs. Reid outright lie about a phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter with the wrongly accused?

Rather than parroting back the same old inconsistencies, discussions off the record, and outright lies, these are the questions that demand attention in any legitimate inquiry.

The reconstruction continues…anything is MUCH better than Mrs. Reid's version of "truth", or the version of "truth" via Tall-tales Truly and 4triesBaker…